It's not about u or i beleiving anything it is a fact ,R77 indeed has mach 4.5 speed & is faster & more manuverable than AIM
120C-5 which has mach 4 speed.
Reduce by 0.5 Mach.
yes of course speed & G's are both important,I was stating the thumb rule for a manuveurabity of a missile in relation to
kill/hit probabilty of a missile in relation to it's target .Infact slight correction it is 5 times according to G-load of
its target
(Shaw R.L., 'Fighter Combat, Tactics and Manoeuvring', Naval Institute Press, 1985.)
I don't think that is correct unless of course you failed to understand what the author has mentioned which I deem highly likely. Without missile speed and target speed you won't get the required information.
Say a missile does mach 4 and a target at mach 0.8. The G required to engage such a target will not be 5 times but will be 25 times. So, if the target is doing 1G, then the missile only needs to maneuver at 25G. If the target does 9G then the missile needs to maneuver at 225G. You figure out the math
Mr Doctor. 
Against a target and a missile that does Mach 4, if the missile needs to do only 5 times the G to match the target, according to the quote by Shaw R L, then the target should be moving at Mach 1.8.
The slower the missile the lower the G required to match the target. However with Pronav(Proportional Navigation) it won't matter. So, higher the speed, quicker is the ingress. Now with Pronav, the X number of Gs still depends on the target, it won't be as high as the math above indicates, but it all depends on the target and missile's lateral translation. So, when the author gives 5 times G and you post it as the end all of all argument, he is definitely talking about things you don't understand.
The AMRAAM is nothing great on maneuvering as compared to MICA or R-77. It has lesser aerodynamic capability than the other two. Therefore the speed of the missile has to be lesser than the other two in order to match capability. Firing an AMRAAM at Mach 4 is completely useless. It has nothing to do with restriction, AMRAAM simply won't do Mach 4.
I hope now you understand why I said it is much more difficult to target UAVs. But of course, you won't.
AIM 120 is deliberately launched at an altitude which
restricts it's speed to mach 3.5 as the missile would have manuverabilty problems at high altitude ,same is the scenario with
R77 thats why it has a restricted mach 4 speed compare to it's original mach 4.5 speed.
Pfft. I told long ago, speed is controlled and has nothing to do with height as a reason to control it. But max speed is Mach 3.5 for Aim-120. Then there is such a thing as cruise speed for the missile which is lower.
Speed of sound at 10Km altitude is 300m/s. That roughly gives the AMRAAM's speed of 1.2Km/s a mach speed of 3.6 considering air temperature, pressure and density are at normal levels at that height. Considering most BVR specs are given at that altitude, along with the range, the AMRAAM's speed is pegged at mach 3.6 or mach 3.5 depending on what measure you want for your calculation. AMRAAM does Mach 4 only at sea level, but at the same time the range is less than 20km. However find out the difference between terms like KTAS and KIAS and you will realize that the mach 4 speed is only in your dreams.
fin design doesnt add to speed but it's powerful rocket motor does.It is a manuvueable thanks to it's unique lattice tail
controls,
Sherlock. Heard of Lift and Drag. Fin design affects speed, positively in some regimes, negatively in some others. It all depends on which altitude and speed the missile is fired from.
Noescape zone would always be slighly higher for AIMRAAM 120C 5 but not much .
R-77 has much lesser range. It is a smaller missile, it will have a smaller NEZ. RVV-SD will kill that difference, so will Astra.
As at end game the platform with better ECM & advanced Jammers would survive i.e RAFALE thanks to (SPECTRA).That means the seeker quality is pivotal to success of the missile to hit it's target.
Has nothing to do with the discussion.
RAMJET addition is an extra advantage ,why???
The attraction of ramjet BVR AAMs lies in their ability to sustain thrust and thus turning performance in the endgame phase
of an engagement, where conventional soild rocket missiles are flying on inertia alone and rapidly lose speed when turning.
What ramjet missiles provide is not only more range than rocket missiles of equal mass, as the oxidizing agent is the air
mass itself, they importantly provide thrust during the endgame phase of the missiles' flight.This is important because in
conventional missile designs once the rocket motor is exhausted the missile's total energy is only that stored in its
momentum and altitude.
Turning performance is degraded unless you have a throttleable motor. You need to reduce speed to turn and increase speed again. That's how Meteor works. Don't talk about things you don't understand or talk about things without giving proper information. A simple RAMJET without speed control will have piss poor turning capability.
The rest I will agree with, but has nothing to do with the discussion, since none of the missile we are talking about have RAMJET. Anyway dont forget increased Drag and increased weight of motors.
Only france & isreael may be advanced in seeker quality but What Russia!!! to C5 YES in ur wet dreams.As U r biased &
overtly nationalistic not admitting that those intial missiles which india procured had many problems which includes it's
russian seekers.
New R-77 seekers have western electronics. You can say some are as advanced as anything the west has produced. Texas Instrument's TMS320(since 1998) is one such processor used in both R-27 and R-77s RF seekers since quite sometime. There is nothing wrong with the new age active seekers being built by Agat.
This is an article from 1998.
AGAT MISSILE SEEKER COMBINES TECHNOLOGY FROM EAST AND WEST - Jane's Missiles and Rockets
The Americans sold the C-5 to PAF by assuring India, it won't matter to force equations. Even in the US, C-5 is considered a cheap, low end missile since 2006.
India was it's 1st export customer & intial batches didnt
perform according to as it's stated capablity .
Teething problems, weather conditions, build quality etc. The only thing we know in open source is that the promised shelf life was not achieved for the seekers and affected capability, courtesy CAG. Some seekers were found to be defective after ageing. Any other complaint is not open source. If you have one, then post it.
If you have a source saying there are design faults, even if it is a book, then post it.
LLOLLZ
If thats the case then i am too skeptical that even R 77 or any russian bvr missile could shoot down those serbian MIGS after seeing their
disasterous performance 1999 Eritrean-Ethiopian War
Of course. It is very simple if you think BVR is simply tracking and shooting. During Kosovo war, NATO had to complete 5 major checks before firing. RoE matters, then comes training. Missile and aircraft quality come last.
tell u what u are biased to the power infinity & also u have a pathetic comprehension skill ,kindly read again that russian
pilots were flying the Su 27 jets & mig 29 jets,so what has africa got to do with this comparision.The fact is russian bvr
missiles did performed pathetically .
So what? Flying a Flanker does not mean you are equivalent to an IAF or VVS pilot.
what!!!
My A$$
good keep those claims to urself,
Since when did monster trucks start to fly in the air.The fact is that u would never admit that ur a dumba$$ with horrible
comprehensive skills that fails to understand not only the sarcasm but also all the valid points that i posted about hit
probabilty of a missile.
U dont even have that infact mine's size is sufficient in terms according to ur scale of comparision regarding knowledge.
Readers this guy is an egoistic fraud & he is more interested in mudslinging rather than debating.Signs of frustation purely seen from the quality of his post
Hilarious.
You seem very insecure.
At least I am glad you accept MICA(French) and Derby(Israel) have "very advanced"(your own words) seekers which was the actual topic of discussion.
