France, Russia, and the Mistral Saga

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i know major russian ship building firms oppose the sales but as i have learnt from wiki and some other sources , russian navy needs major input in this class of large mass transport
most of the Rogov/Ropucha ships are decommissioned.
The Mitrofan Moskalenko is still active and the remaining 3 ships are far from the potential of a Mistral class ship.
troop movement were severely hampered during the georgian conflict and most deployment was via land but the conflict taught the russians a lot of things and were they need to patch up right after they have started a major overhaul in all sectors including the airforce and navy and entered in JV with many nations
this shows that russia is willing to learn and absorb in the 90s the technology became stagnant but now they are willing to match upto major powers and they can do it by co-operation while improving the self development this is a positive step for me

a major parallel could be drawn with the uav development where russia ws lagging behind and yet sought co-operation from israel which was unimaginable before but now it shows that in the long term the goal is to improve and develop cutting edge stuff but learning and incorporating many quality tech from across the globe
to improve and develop cutting edge stuff but learning and incorporating many quality tech from across the globe

This is without doubt major visible (presented to the public) reason but I just wonder that real reason (that is not presented to the public) is political reason.
Russia values access to the EU gas market (having in perspective Nabucco and all opposition to her projects) Russia needs as many support in EU as possible.
Also the missile shield and security agreement with Europe that would squeeze out NATO and USA. And therefore put in danger future of the NATO and European missile shield that are so important to Russia might be also objectives
worthy spending so much money



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France agrees to sell its DCSN-built Mistral-class amphibious assault ship to Russia

08:18 GMT, February 12, 2010 defpro.com | While France recently celebrated the keel-laying for its third Mistral-class amphibious assault ship (Bâtiment de Projection et de Commandement, BPC) at the DCNS shipyard in Saint Nazaire, the vessel may see an even greater success. Earlier this week, French President Nicolas Sarkozy approved Russia’s request for the sale of one of these technologically advanced and versatile naval vessels and is considering Moscow’s request to purchase three more. While this would be a significant up wind for the French naval industry and would provide thousands of jobs in the upcoming years, the deal is being hotly discussed, particularly on the political level.

All Baltic states as well as Georgia have expressed deep concerns about Russia’s bid to purchase the French ship since it will provide the Russian Navy, long since suffering from its ageing fleet, with a significant offensive capability. For the Mistral-class ships can rapidly deploy a large number of troops, vehicles and helicopters to any coastal area in the world. Thereby, it is a powerful asset for operations abroad. In numbers, it can transport 16 helicopters, four landing barges, up to 70 vehicles including 13 main battle tanks, and 450 soldiers. Consequently, neighbouring countries fear an increased imbalance of military power in the region.

At the same time, it is a strong signal in European-Russian and NATO-Russian relations, as the sale would be a true first in the defence industry, and in particular in the naval industry as, so far, Russia has never relied on a third party to increase the striking force of its Navy.

As Radio Free Europe Radio Liberty cited Russia's naval chief, the Mistral would have allowed the Russian Navy to mount a much more efficient action in the Black Sea during the Caucasus conflict in 2008. He said the French ship would take just 40 minutes to do the job that Russian Black Sea Fleet vessels did in 26 hours. This puts the current state of the Russian Navy and its requirement for a modern projection asset quite well into perspective.


Promising Prospects for French Naval Industry

Following long negotiations between the two countries, beginning in August 2009 when Russia first showed interest in purchasing a Mistral-class ship, Sarkozy cleared the way for the sale of at least one ship of this class. Following this decision, Russian officials submitted the request to buy an additional three ships, which will be examined by the French Armament Procurement Agency (Direction générale de l'armement, DGA). In 2009 French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner clarified that a deal with Russia would only be concluded if the two countries reach a political agreement.

Now that the construction of the third and final ship for the French Navy has begun (The ‘Mistral’ and the ‘Tonnerre’ were commissioned in 2006/2007), the news of the Russian interest in the ship is a true sunburst for the French naval industry. Although, according to the DGA, additional countries such as South Africa, Canada and Germany have shown interest, no promising negotiations with any of these countries have begun. The Russian order for four ships would provide the DCNS shipyard, as well as numerous subcontractors, with work for quite a while. The Mistral-class vessels are believed to cost between €300 and €400 million ($430 to $580 million).

However, it still is not clear in which configuration and by which conditions the ships will be sold to Russia. Experts recently explained that the deal might come with conditions that would limit the ships’ offensive capabilities or Russia’s scope of actions. As quoted by AFP, Jean-Pierre Maulny, deputy director of the Institute of Strategic and International Relations in Paris said "Everything will depend on the details. There is nothing to stop France from imposing restrictions, from saying 'I agree to export this vessel but on condition that it is not used in a conflict with Georgia'."

Moreover, Russian analysts are skeptical about the entire Russian initiative to buy such ships. Mikhail Barabanov, science editor of the Eksport Vooruzheny (Arms Export) journal, recently told a Russian daily newspaper: "The Russian Navy lacks the means to finance even the production of corvettes and missile boats, let alone the purchase of large combat ships" He added, "From this standpoint, the order of a large aircraft carrier with a deadweight of over 20,000 tons, which is inferior to the sole Russian aircraft carrier, the Admiral Kuznetsov, seems rather strange, to say the least."


The Baltic Concerns

Any contractual limitations would certainly receive strong support from the Baltic States as well as Georgia, who have repeatedly aired strong concerns and even protests with NATO regarding the sale of such offensive assets to Russia by a NATO member. This is due to the three countries’ perspective of Russia, agreeing that "the picture has not changed much since the Cold War as Russia doesn't see NATO as a partner, but a threat," as Estonia's parliamentary foreign affairs chief, Marko Mihkelson, recently said. Lithuanian Minister of National Defence, Ms Rasa Jukneviciene, supports this view and encourages Russia “to show her confidence to NATO as well and do not take the North Atlantic Alliance as a security threat as has been specified by Russia in her new military doctrine.”

In late 2009, Latvia also expressed repeated concerns about the possible France-Russian deal. Suggesting that the matter be discussed at the meeting of the Baltic States defence ministers, officials indicated that if Russia purchased such a ship and placed it in the Baltic Sea, Latvia would have to revise its state defence plan from a military threat and state security point of view.

French Defence Minister Hervé Morin has attempted to dissipate the expressed fears and defends the plan, saying: "We cannot, on the one hand, enlist Russia in building (European) security and at the same time consider that Russia has not profoundly changed since 1991."

The tenor of all statements from Baltic officials since 2009 suggests that the Baltic States feel that their protests and concerns are being ignored within NATO. Jukneviciene displayed this concern quite clearly by saying in an official statement: “Perhaps this case will encourage the EU and the UN to apply the strategic goods export related provisions in a more constant and transparent way and reach out for a unified interpretation thereof. I also hope that in the future our allies will first consult within the Alliance before they make any decisions that may affect security interests of NATO and its separate member states or partner states".


A Key Development for NATO’s Future

Nevertheless, the Franco-Russian deal is not only a political signal for the relationship between the two countries, but also may extend its effects onto NATO-Russian ties. The relationship of the two former opponents has experienced a strong upswing since Obama’s and Medvedev’s efforts to create more mutual trust and increase cooperation in various fields of common interest. During the past few months, NATO-Russian relations have also improved following strong discord during the Caucasus conflict.

According to AFP, the spokesman for NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen confirmed on Wednesday that he does not object to France’s decision to sell ships to Russia. "The secretary general does not consider Russia a threat and he hopes that Russia does not consider NATO a threat," said spokesman James Appathurai. The spokesman further stated that Rasmussen "takes it for granted that any arms sale would fully respect international rules and conventions. But the anxieties of some allies are, of course, real and they are understandable for historical reasons, geographic reasons."

However, NATO currently places much emphasis on improving political and military ties with Russia and, therefore, it is not expected that it will prevent France from selling the Mistral-class vessels to Russia. In order to tackle the challenges, such as the future of Afghanistan, a common approach concerning Iran and North Korea, as well as common security concerns of the western world in the face on international terrorism, it requires Russian support and a stable political environment between the two major power structures.

Also, industrial cooperation as well as a political accord on arms procurement, such as in the case of France and Russia, may significantly help to further improve bilateral and multilateral ties and, as a result, to create a more open pan-European security environment.

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Russia, France open 'exclusive talks' on sale of 4 Mistral warships

Russia and France have started "exclusive talks" on the purchase of four French Mistral-class amphibious-assault ships, President Nicolas Sarkozy said after talks with his Russian counterpart, Dmitry Medvedev.
A source in the Russian Defense Ministry said Friday that Moscow and Paris have yet to clinch a deal on the purchase of the French warship, adding that nothing would be signed during the Russian president's three-day visit to France, which began on Monday.
"Starting from today, exclusive talks on the issue of four Mistral helicopter carriers will be held," Sarkozy told a press conference. "The Mistral is a helicopter carrier we will create for Russia without military equipment."
Sarkozy linked the Mistral sale to Russia to mutual trust between the two states, and Medvedev said: "I hope the talks will end in success."
The French president said two of the four Mistral-class ships under discussion could be built in Russia. "Two plus two seems a rather equal, balanced decision to me," he said.
The Russian military earlier announced that it was considering buying one of the Mistral-class amphibious assault ships, worth 400-500 million euros (around $540-$675 million), and potentially building three or four vessels of the same class in partnership with the French naval shipbuilder DCNS.
A Mistral-class ship is capable of transporting and deploying 16 helicopters, four landing barges, up to 70 armored vehicles including 13 battle tanks, and 450 personnel.
Many Russian military and industry experts have questioned the financial and military sense of the purchase, and some believe that Russia simply wants to gain access to advanced naval technology that could be used in the future in potential conflicts with NATO and its allies.

Source:RIA Novosti
 

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France to show off latest Horizon Frigate

MOSCOW, March 10 - RIA Novosti. Frigate Defense Naval (CPA), the French "Chevalier Paul will arrive on March 30 on a visit to Severomorsk to show the ship and conduct joint exercises with one of the warships of the Northern Fleet, told RIA Novosti on Wednesday, Chief of the Navy of France Pierre-François Forisse.

"Within the traditional teachings on communication and maneuvering Russia and French warships will hold a joint bilateral exercise," - said Forisse.

According to him, the visit of a French frigate in the Northern Fleet's main base will be completed on April 3.

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Russia will only buy fully-equipped Mistral from France - Gen. Staff chief

Russia will only buy fully-equipped Mistral from France - Gen. Staff chief


The chief of the Russian General Staff said Thursday that Russia would only buy a fully-equipped Mistral-class amphibious assault ship from France.
Russia is negotiating the purchase of a Mistral-class ship from France, worth 400-500 million euros (around $540-$675 million). Russia could also use French technology later to build another three such vessels in Russia in partnership with the French naval shipbuilder DCNS.
"Russia's leadership and Defense Ministry have a clear position on the issue. Should a final decision be made on Mistral, we will purchase this ship only if it is fully equipped - with all control and navigation means and armaments," Army General Nikolai Makarov told the Rossiiskaya Gazeta Nedelya government weekly.
"The only exception is helicopters. They will be domestically made. Everything else is to be made to their standards completely," he said.
But the French Defense Ministry on Thursday reiterated that if the deal is struck, Mistral-class vessels would be delivered without armaments.
"The president said publicly in front of his Russian counterpart what the scope for negotiations was," spokesman Laurent Teisseire was quoted by AFP as saying.
French President Nicolas Sarkozy said March 1 at a joint press conference with his Russian counterpart Dmitry Medvedev that Mistral is "a helicopter carrier we will create for Russia without military equipment."
A Mistral-class ship is capable of transporting and deploying 16 helicopters, four landing barges, up to 70 armored vehicles including 13 battle tanks, and 450 personnel.
Many Russian military and industry experts have questioned the financial and military sense of the purchase, and some believe that Russia simply wants to gain access to advanced naval technology that could be used in the future in potential conflicts with NATO and its allies.

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Russia isn't get pissy over not having weapons on it. No one cares if it doesn't have Simbad or 30mm guns. Russia has their own systems that are just as good. Weapons are a non-issue. The communications are not compatible with Russian equipment so that doesn't make a difference since they need to install their own.

The real issue is the 2+2 demanded by France and the 1+3 wanted by Russia to make in her own yards. Russia thinks if they buy one fully equipped it will offset France into going 1+3. St. Nazare needs to build two more Mistrals or we will have no choice but to start PAC2 construction. France would rather just buy the Prince Edward hull and build Mistrals. No new equipment needed nor new problems arising. 2+2 is what we want, see if we get it.
 

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Talks on Mistral ship purchase still underway - Russian Defense Ministry

Russia and France have not yet agreed on the purchase of a French helicopter carrier for the Russian Navy, a Russian deputy defense minister said on Wednesday.

Russia is negotiating the purchase of at least one Mistral-class amphibious assault ship, worth 400-500 million euros (around $540-$675 million) and plans to build three more vessels of the same class in partnership with the French naval shipbuilder DCNS.

"We are still in talks on a wide range of issues related to the purchase of French ships of this class. Primarily, these are questions of the cost, quantity, and onboard equipment," Vladimir Popovkin said.

Popovkin reiterated that Russia wanted to buy only one ship and build three more under the French license at Russian shipyards, while France planned to sell two vessels and license the construction of the remaining two ships.

"For example with the controversial Mistral, our condition is that one ship will be constructed there [in France], and the assembly of the remaining ships at our shipyards with the transfer of technology, and not just a hull, but with all the 'goodies,'" he said.

Many Russian military and industry experts have questioned the financial and military sense of the purchase, but Popovkin disagreed that the Mistral was useless for the Russian Navy.

Russia has at least four islands in the Pacific Ocean which are still disputed with Japan as well as the Kaliningrad exclave surrounded by NATO countries. In case of a potential threat to these regions, Mistrals could be used to transfer military forces to the conflict zones, he said.

"All of the decisions have been thought through. Unfortunately, the military is the type of area where we can not disclose our [military] plans or information on gaps which need to be filled," Popovkin said.

The future of the deal is still unclear because France is unlikely to agree on transferring sensitive technology that Russia could use in potential conflicts with NATO and its allies.

Director of the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies (CAST) Ruslan Pukhov said on Wednesday that France would never sell the Mistral with its naval tactical data system SENIT 9 because it provides links to NATO data exchange formats.

"This system could not be sold in any case, because it contains a software which gives an opportunity to control NATO military forces," Pukhov said, adding that Russia would most likely have to install its own electronic equipment on the Mistral ships.

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Russia to build port facilities for Mistral ships

Russia will have to build port facilities if it decides to purchase a French Mistral helicopter carrier for the Russian Navy, Russian Deputy Defense Minister Vladimir Popovkin said.

Russia is negotiating the purchase of at least one Mistral-class amphibious assault ship, worth 400-500 million euros (around $530-$660 million) and plans to build three more vessels of the same class in partnership with the French naval shipbuilder DCNS.

"We do not have port infrastructure for aircraft carriers, but we plan to build it [for Mistral type ships]," Popovkin said. "If we reach an agreement [with France], we'll do everything, if not, we won't."

Popovkin also said Russian Kamov helicopters (Ka-52, Ka-226) will be based on Mistral ship, if the country decides to go ahead with the purchase.

He noted that Russia wanted to buy only one ship and build three more under French license in Russian shipyards, while France planned to sell two vessels and license the construction of the remaining two.

Many Russian military and industry experts have questioned the financial and military advantages of the purchase, but Popovkin disagrees that the Mistral would be useless for the Russian Navy.

Russia has at least four islands in the Pacific Ocean which are still disputed with Japan as well as the Kaliningrad exclave surrounded by NATO countries. If these regions come under threat, Mistrals could be used to transfer military forces to the conflict zones, he said.

The future of the deal is still unclear because France is unlikely to agree to transferring sensitive technology that Russia could use in potential conflicts with NATO and its allies.

Director of the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies (CAST) Ruslan Pukhov said on Wednesday that France would never sell the Mistral with its naval tactical data system SENIT 9 because it provides links to NATO data exchange formats.

"This system could not be sold because it contains software which allows the control of NATO military forces," Pukhov said, adding that Russia would most likely have to install its own electronic equipment on the Mistral ships.

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U.S. Lawmaker Asks France To Stop Russia Ship Sale

WASHINGTON - France should abandon its proposed sale of four advanced warships to Russia, which could inflict "irreparable damage" on NATO and transatlantic ties, a top U.S. lawmaker warned April 16.

"This sale threatens to shake the NATO alliance to its core, bolstering Russia's offensive military capabilities as it intensifies its campaign of intimidation against neighboring countries," said Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, R-Fla., the top Republican on the House Foreign Affairs Committee.Writing in The Hill, a newspaper focused on Congress, Ros-Lehtinen urged her colleagues to back a non-binding resolution she authored declaring "unequivocal opposition" to the transaction.

"By going through with its proposed sale of Mistral ships to Russia, France risks causing irreparable damage to the NATO alliance and the trans-Atlantic relationship," she wrote.

"Empowering Russia with such capabilities blatantly undermines the security of those NATO allies that are withstanding Russia's policies of intimidation and outright aggression," she said.

France announced in March that it had entered into "exclusive" talks with Russia on the sale of the four Mistral-class amphibious assault ships, capable of carrying up to 16 helicopters and a 750-strong landing force.

If the deal goes through, it would be the first sale of advanced military technology by a NATO country to Russia.

France has argued that Russia must be treated like a partner and not a threat in Europe, but it has been unable to alleviate deep misgivings from the Baltic countries, Georgia and the United States over the sale.

Concerns were heightened in December, when a Russian naval commander said a Mistral would have been useful in August 2008 when Russian forces were battling Georgia's military.

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Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, a nothing Republican congresswoman. Get Obama making a speech and there might be something to worry about. Her = nothing
 

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Russia to buy French warship by yearend - federal agency

Russia will sign an agreement with France on the purchase of a Mistral-class helicopter carrier by yearend, the head of the Federal Service for Military and Technical Cooperation said on Wednesday.

Russia has negotiated the purchase of at least one Mistral-class amphibious assault ship, worth 400-500 million euros (around $540-$675 million) and plans to build three more vessels of the same class in partnership with the French naval shipbuilder DCNS.

France insists on selling two vessels and building another two in Russia.

"The agreement on the purchase of a Mistral-class ship is due to be signed by yearend," Mikhail Dmitriev said, adding that the French side is more optimistic and believes that a contract could be ready for signing as early as September.

A Mistral-class ship is capable of transporting and deploying 16 helicopters, four landing barges, up to 70 armored vehicles including 13 battle tanks, and 450 personnel.

Many Russian military and industry experts have questioned the financial and military sense of the purchase, and some believe that Russia simply wants to gain access to advanced naval technology that could be used in the future in potential conflicts with NATO and its allies.

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Russian shipbuilders say ready to construct Mistral class ships

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Russian shipbuilders say ready to construct Mistral class ships

Russian shipyards are ready to build Mistral class helicopter carriers whenever they receive orders from the military, industry officials said on Monday.

Russian Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov said earlier on Monday that Russia had reached the final stage of pre-contract talks with France, Spain and the Netherlands on the purchase of four of the French warships.

According to the minister, one vessel will be bought outright and the other three will be built under license with the participation of Russian shipbuilders. The full construction of the fourth vessel would take place in Russia.

"We are ready if the Defense Ministry gives us an order to build these ships," said Dmitry Morochenko, a spokesman for the United Industrial Corporation, which owns several shipyards and tool-making plants in northern Russia, the heartland of the country's shipbuilding sector.

The United Shipbuilding Corporation, which owns shipbuilding assets in Russia's Far East and northern Russia, said building such vessels would not be entirely new to Russian dockyards.

"Russia has experience in the construction of similar ships during the Soviet era, for example the Ivan Rogov class military transport ships, so we do not see any problems in fulfilling this contract," spokesman Igor Ryabov said.

Russia built three Ivan Rogov class amphibious transport ships during the Soviet era. One of them, the Mitrofan Moskalenko, is still in service with the Russian Navy but has been put on a Defense Ministry list of assets for sale.

A Ivan Rogov class ship can carry a reinforced naval infantry battalion landing team with all its combat vehicles, plus 10 PT-76 light amphibious tanks. Its flight deck can accommodate four Ka-27 or Ka-29 naval helicopters.

MOSCOW, May 24 (RIA Novosti)
 

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Putin says Russia will buy Mistral only with technology transfer


Putin says Russia will buy Mistral only with technology transfer

Russia is interested in purchasing Mistral class amphibious assault ships from France only together with the accompanying technology, Prime Minister Vladimir Putin said on the eve of a visit to France.

Russia is negotiating the purchase of at least one French-built Mistral-class amphibious assault ship and plans to build three more vessels of the same class in partnership with the French naval shipbuilder DCNS.

"For us, this deal is interesting only if it is accomplished with a parallel transfer of technology, so that our shipbuilders - both civilian and military - receive a new technological boost for development," Putin said in an interview with Agence France Presse and France 2 TV.

The prime minister, who will visit France on Thursday and Friday, also said that "cooperation in a field as sensitive as military-industrial manufacturing, of course, leads to higher trust between countries."

Putin reiterated that Georgia and other Russian neighbors should not fear the Mistral purchase because Moscow has no plans to attack other countries and hopes there will never again be a conflict similar to five-day war between Russia and Georgia in 2008.

"You know, it is not the case when it is necessary to deploy weaponry as the Mistral ship. I hope that, God willing, we will never see a military conflict between Russia and Georgia. Never," he said, before pointing out that Russia was able "to carry out military strikes from the Russian territory at any target in Georgia."

"We do not need a Mistral ship for that," he said.

A Mistral-class ship is capable of transporting and deploying 16 helicopters, four landing barges, up to 70 armored vehicles including 13 battle tanks, and 450 personnel.

The Russian military plans to use the Mistral ships in its Northern and Pacific Fleets.

Chief of Russian Armed Forces General Staff Gen. Nikolai Makarov said on Tuesday that Russia needs Mistral class amphibious assault ships primarily to boost the combat capabilities of its Navy in the Far East and ensure protection of the disputed Kuril Islands.

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Russia begins negotiations of Mistral purchase contract

Russia's state arms exporter Rosoboronexport has started contract negotiations on the purchase of a French-built Mistral-class ship, the company's head said on Wednesday.

"Rosoboronexport has been appointed the implementer of the contract on the purchase of a French Mistral helicopter carrier by the [Russian] Defense Ministry," Anatoly Isaikin told RIA Novosti.

"We are carrying everything out strictly within the framework of Russia's legal system. This prescribes going through a number of stages which include the assessment of technical parameters and negotiation process involving the Defense Ministry," he went on.

Isaikin said a number of expert groups had been set up within Rosoboronexport to negotiate the deal with France.

"All the work on this ship is being carried out in close collaboration with the Defense Ministry. This is a joint effort," he added.

Russia is negotiating the purchase of at least one French-built Mistral-class ship and plans to build three more vessels of the same class in partnership with the French naval shipbuilder DCNS.

The Mistral-class ship is capable of transporting and deploying 16 helicopters, four landing barges, up to 70 armored vehicles including 13 battle tanks, and 450 personnel.

The Russian military has said it plans to use Mistral ships in its Northern and Pacific fleets.

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Russian Defense Ministry lukewarm on South Korean warship deal


Dokdo helicopter carrier

The Russian Defense Ministry has effectively dismissed the idea of buying a South Korean warship in place of a French Mistral-class amphibious assault ship, a Russian business daily reported on Thursday.

According to Kommersant, the United Shipbuilding Corporation proposed the purchase of a $650 million Dokdo helicopter carrier from South Korea.

In a letter to Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov, USC CEO Roman Trotsenko said his corporation could buy a license to build a Dokdo-class ship at a Russian shipyard within three years.

The Defense Ministry is skeptical about the ability of Russian shipyards to build such ships in principle or their ability to build them on time, Kommersant wrote.

"The USC's proposal merits attention, but then you can declare just about anything," a ministry spokesman told the paper.

Commenting on the Kommersant report for RIA Novosti, an USC executive who insisted on anonymity confirmed that Trotsenko had indeed sent a letter to Serdyukov.

"I confirm that such letters were sent to Navy chief Vladimir Vysotsky and Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov a long time ago, but we have not as of yet received a reply," the executive said.

He said Dokdo-class ships (designed and built by Hanjin Heavy Industries) were a more cost effective proposition than the Mistral.

The USC has complained to the Federal Antitrust Service about the Defense Ministry's reluctance to allow Russian shipyards to compete with foreign shipbuilders on an equal footing, but the service has dismissed its complaints, saying state arms procurements did not fall within its purview.

ROKS Dokdo (LPH 6111) is the lead ship of the LPX class of amphibious landing ships of the Republic of Korea Navy, commissioned into the ROK Navy in July 2007, with specifications comparable to the French Mistral-class ship Russia is negotiating the purchase of.

The Mistral class ship is capable of transporting and deploying 16 helicopters, four landing barges, up to 70 armored vehicles including 13 battle tanks, and 450 personnel.

Many Russian military and industry experts have questioned the financial and military sense of the purchase, and some believe that Russia simply wants to gain access to advanced naval technology that could be used in the future in potential conflicts with NATO and its allies.

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Dokdo is only good for unloading Hovercraft or AAVs that can drive off into the water. The well dock is dry so it cannot accommodate draft landing vessels as seen here.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_4Ulhsnr0_...00-h/SHIP_LPH_ROKS_Dokdo_Launches_AAVs_lg.jpg

For amphib vehicles it has to get pretty close to the shore too. It is pretty much the same concept of the landing dock of the Type 071 LPD of China as seen here...

http://www.sinodefence.com/navy/amphibious/showimage.asp?imagename=type071_03large

Serious disadvantage especially when Russia doesn't have decent size hovercraft that will fit. Russia needs a well dock that can accommodate its new Serna air cavity landing craft. Not to mention the Dokdo's systems are made by Thales. lol
 

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Russia: No to Mistral in favor of the South Korean Dokdo class helicopter carrier?



(WAPA) - Russian consortium Osk asked (through an official letter sent by its President Roman Trotsenko to Defence Minister Anatoly Serdioukov) the ministry of Defence to consider the purchase of South Korean helicopter carrier Dokdo class instead of formalizing the since-months-spoken contract with France for Mistral. This one includes purchase of a single one and construction of three in industrial facilities in Russia. Osk would not have little to say in the business. It is a consortium that brings together the shipbuilding industries of the country, justify its proposal with the benefits that would flow from a military-economic cooperation with Seoul, reported yesterday Russian press agency "Ria Novosti" from a source inside the consortium.

The consortium source also commented as published by the Moscow daily "Kommersant" on an alternative to the Mistral, declaring that it is precisely the Dokdo, whose cost is estimated at 650 million dollars. "I confirm that letters were sent from time to defense minister Serdioukov and commander of naval forces Vladimir Vyssotski - 'Ria Novosti' reports -but we have not yet received a reply".

"The consortium - continues the source - estimated there are in the world many other alternatives to Mistral. But Dokdo is among the most profitable in terms of value for money and the prospects of mutual cooperation. This would result convenient for both Moscow and Seoul, following future those mutual cooperation". In this regard, he indicated that the two countries could join in the implementation of a yard to build tankers and cargo ships of large tonnage in Russian Far East.

The amphibious landing ship Dokdo was launched and built by South Korean Hanjin Heavy Industries & Constructions in 2005 at its plant in Busan, to improve the amphibious capability of the country in terms of aggression in military operations other than war. In 2007 was commissioned by the Republic of Korea (ROK) Navy. It can embark amphibious assault vehicles (AAV), two lookouts LCAC (Landing Craft Air Cushion), and can hangar 10 UH-60 type helicopters. A diesel engine assures a cruise of 23 knots per hour.

Its armament includes system RIM-116 Rolling Airframe Missile and its surface flight, sprayed with urethane, can also be used by aircraft with vertical take-off capacity as the Harrier. (Avionews)
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Dokdo class helicopter carrier



It can be converted into Small AC with Ski Jump Deck adding with less Modifications.
 

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It can be converted into Small AC with Ski Jump Deck adding with less Modifications.
You really couldn't use it as a pocket CV unless you have jump jets. The beam is not wide enough to capture MiGs. If you use the deck space for a ramp you wouldn't even have enough length to land it. Observe and you should see what I mean...

 
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Russia to Order French Mistral LHDs?

FS Mistral (click to view full) French President confirms deal. (July 23/10) In August 2009, Russian media reported that their country was planning to take a radical step, and buy a French Mistral class amphibious assault ship (LHD) by the end of 2009. The outlet quoted the Chief of the Russian General Staff, Gen. Nikolai Makarov, who said [...]

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