France offers to Indian Air Force for purchasing 40 Rafale fighters Read more:France

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  1. EagleOne

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    A French company offered to sell 40 of its state-of-the-art aircraft Rafale fighter jets to India for a bi-lateral air exercise on Friday. An Indo-French joint exercise is to be held somewhere in India in 2011 – 12. The offer was made by the maker of the Rafale and Mirage fighters, Charles Edelstennie, who is also the scion of the Dassult family. Dessult is a multi-billion French military and civil aerospace company.

    The chairman and chief executive of Dassult said, “We know the Indian Air Force, with which we have a decade-long close association, is facing force depletion. So we are ready to supply 40 Rafales, the world’s first omni-role fighters to India, in a short span of time.”

    The officers of French Air Force discussed the idea with the Indian Air Force team, which is now in France for a tri-lateral air exercise in which the Singapore air force is also involved. According to Edelastennie, Rafale fighters could be an interim sale to India to acquire 126 Multi Role Combat Aircraft at cost of Rs 40,000 crore. He said, “It is fulfilling the needs and tasks of the French air force and navy globally.

    An Indian Air Force officer, who is the part of the Indian continent for Garuda-2010 exercise in Istres air base in France, said, “At present, the talks for the next Indo-French exercise are also on and the French officials have expressed their desire to bring the Rafale aircraft for the next joint air exercise likely to be held in 2011-12 in India.” The current exercise also reached its final stage and exercise will be finished tomorrow. K K Nowhar, Air Marshall of Indian Air Force, who visited the Indian contingent said, “Our participation in the exercise has reinforced the manner in which we conduct our operations.”



    Read more: France offers to Indian Air Force for purchasing 40 Rafale fighters -

    All India Today http://www.allindiatoday.com/7665/france-offers-to-indian-air-force-for-purchasing-40-rafale-fighters#ixzz0rsba113
     
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  3. Yusuf

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    Being close relatives of the mirage and facing force depletion is such an idea possible to implement by the IAF?
     
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    What happened to the last offer from sukhois for 2 squadrons of su-35?
     
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    they made this offer earlier as well in jan 2009 and was rejected and so will it happen this time as well. decision will only be made through the mmrca, and not otherwise so its better they concentrate on the on going mmrca contest.
     
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    Even if were to be accepted by india, at what cost? And that would have a direct bearing on the MRCA.
     
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    I think they are trying to say if Rafele is chosen in the MRCA 40 planes can be delivered immediately???
     
  8. Armand2REP

    Armand2REP CHINI EXPERT Veteran Member

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    They are saying 40 Rafale can be delivered soon as a stopgap regardless of MRCA winner.
     
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    This is a good offer it could make the pilots familiar with the Rafele,and possibly make the MRCA decision a little easier.
     
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    I guess if IAF accepts this offer we can conclude that MRCA is going to Dassault.
     
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    Precisely what france wants. Pre-empt the MRCA deal.
     
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    Amazing this news has not been picked up by any major media house in india???What about the source of this news "ALL India Today"???
     
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    i suspect what is happening here is the need on part of iaf to fill up some numbers for which they had previously hinted at procurement of 40 additional su30MKIs on fast track basis, the decision on which i am sure will be made just a few months prior to the announcement of the final winner of mmrca (a decision which can still take 2 years), and may be the french are trying to position themselves for this need on part of iaf, but if at all we have to go the french way on this then that wont be rafale but certainly mirage the possibility of which as of now is minimal compared to that of su30s.

    french are trying to kill two birds with the same stone, fill the immediate need of 40 odd jets, and as yusuf said preempt the mmrca, but then rafale is certainly not happening prior to the announcement of the final winner of mmrca.
     
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    Can't blame France for trying to sell Rafale. We don't want to sell Mirage-2000s since they are obsolete and we don't make them anymore. If India decides to buy some second hand, we certainty won't argue with it. Upgrading or spares is still money in the pocket.
     
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    I still see this as losers cry.

    So clearly eveident that French, Russian and Unkil flight are in back foot.

    But 40 Rafale is still a juicy numbers and IAF should go for it and it not big deal for them to familiarise with the Rafale as they are already operating Mirages
     
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    Like Ritesh said it is an old offer but it is older than 2009. Dassault started offering 40 Rafale on promise to deliver in short span way back in time when they had closed Mirage-2000 line...

    Doesn't matter what Dassault may quote the reason IAF will not buy any jet straight away, they are in no mood to continue operating many different(origin) fighters in one class considering Rafale doesn't win IAF 126..

    MANC. Its here Rs 15,000 crore Sukhoi deal cleared
     
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    "A French company offered to sell 40 of its state-of-the-art aircraft Rafale fighter jets to India for a bi-lateral air exercise on Friday. An Indo-French joint exercise is to be held somewhere in India in 2011 – 12. The offer was made by the maker of the Rafale and Mirage fighters, Charles Edelstennie, who is also the scion of the Dassult family. Dessult is a multi-billion French military and civil aerospace company."


    What is the veracity of this source. Seems to be a 'hack' job. Also appears to be an opinon piece by some blogger/poster with no creditable sources, no verification by any reliable sources etc. Also note the poor spelling (Edelstennie instead of Edelstenne and Dessult instead of Dassault. Overall a poor and unreliable piece in my opinion and I wouldn't get too excited by it.
     
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    Also note when he quotes his Air Force source, the source at no stage mentions the supposed French offer. All his source says is that "the Frech officials have expressed their desire to bring the Rafale aircraft for the next joint air exercise."

    I think the "the" I have highlighted above should be "their" as logic dictates there is no possiblity the French could manufacture and deliver 40 Rafales in about one year.

    Therefore, seems like this bloke has got his wires crossed, is mischief making or has totally lost the plot!
     
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    IAF will not take any rash decisions like buying the Rafale or any other aircraft for that matter as of now, but I personally think its a good proposition, though its uncertain that 40 jets can be delivered in a year or so !
     

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