France agrees to provide Pakistan the Tiger Attack helos.

[p2prada]

Double Post

 

[LETHALFORCE]

LOL. If that's the case, then the French have already sold Agostas to Pak at the cost of 14 French lives and are now ready to sell Tigers, so kick Rafale out.

Sweden sold their AWACS to Pakistan(more deadly than the subs and the Tigers), so kick Gripen out.

The Americans, well you know the deal, so kick Viper and SH out. The Germans are ready to sell their subs to Pak, so kick the EF-2000 out.

The Russians are exporting RD-93 engines to Pak and the recent visit of Kiyani to Russia, so kick Mig-35 out.

Welcome to the world of Business. We are not gonna kick the contenders out for flimsy reasons. Once our technology matures, we will start doing the same thing around the world.

Too bad Israelis are not in the running. I think it will come down between the MIG and the Super hornet with MIG having the advantage.

 

[p2prada]

Too bad Israelis are not in the running.

Perhaps in the future, they may want to buy the MCA for their airforce after a joint development contract.

Too bad the Americans played spoil sport with the Lavi program.

India would have got a decent fighter for its MRCA requirement and China's J-10 would never have taken off. Hit 2 birds with one stone.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Perhaps in the future, they may want to buy the MCA for their airforce after a joint development contract.

Too bad the Americans played spoil sport with the Lavi program.

India would have got a decent fighter for its MRCA requirement and China's J-10 would never have taken off. Hit 2 birds with one stone.

speaking of two birds;with the Russians we will get AESA tech transfer which will greatly help us with LCA and MCA.

 

[p2prada]

speaking of two birds;with the Russians we will get AESA tech transfer which will greatly help us with LCA and MCA.

Vladmir has given some important points about the Mig-35. May not be what IAF is looking for.

Anyways, Tiger is at the same category as the HAL LCH. The LCH specifications look better than Tiger anyways, atleast on paper. The LCH is more suited for our environment too. Eg: The LCH service ceiling is around 6500m while Tiger is at 4000m.

Nevertheless, Tiger is a proven platform while LCH is a paper aircraft.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Vladmir has given some important points about the Mig-35. May not be what IAF is looking for.

Anyways, Tiger is at the same category as the HAL LCH. The LCH specifications look better than Tiger anyways, atleast on paper. The LCH is more suited for our environment too. Eg: The LCH service ceiling is around 6500m while Tiger is at 4000m.

Nevertheless, Tiger is a proven platform while LCH is a paper aircraft.

better for Pakistan to get theirs first so we know what direction to take our LCH project. we need to have the MRCA winner also provide some benefit in our other projects and i don't see any of the western planes doing that.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Radar may not be the deciding factor since we have MMR for LCA maybe some kind of engine tech transfer deal?

 

[p2prada]

better for Pakistan to get theirs first so we know what direction to take our LCH project.

Oh! That's not much of a problem LF. We are not building the LCH to counter the Tiger afterall. The LCH is being built with Indian Army and Airforce as its primary users. The requirements set will be for our own needs.

Either ways, the numbers inducted will make a difference. The LCH numbers will be in triple digits while the Tigers in Pak will be in single digits(maybe 4 or 5, probably 9:blum3.

Also, the LCH is faster, climbs faster, climbs higher(very important). A home made EW suite(with help from EADS) and a decent weapons payload. The LCH performance matches that of Apache AH-64. So, a pretty neat bird.

I only hope LCH can fly as well as the Tiger and the LCH will make a killing in exports too. It's going to be dirt cheap compared to Tiger and other equivalents.

 

[p2prada]

Radar may not be the deciding factor since we have MMR for LCA maybe some kind of engine tech transfer deal?

The F404s are the best mate. Gives good power and very fuel efficient. We don't need Russian engines. Europe and America are better in Engine design.

Anyways, we are going OT and the mods will not like that. Let's keep our discussions to attack helis.

 

[vijaytripoli]

If Pakisthan goes for TIger , Than IAF must go for Mi-28 Havoc as it is 10 million compared to the 30 million for the tiger ! The Havoc carries around 3-4 times as many rockets and Atgms as the tiger. The tiger itself is more like a advanced cobra whereby the Mi-28 is one hell of a beast!
chau

 

[vijaytripoli]

Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan

US, France offer help in fight against terrorism

* Gilani wants roadmap for Pak-French nuclear cooperation
* French official assures PM of provision of military equipment

ISLAMABAD: French and US officials on Thursday offered support to Pakistan in its fight against terrorism.

French President Nicolas Sarkozy’s Military Staff Adviser Admiral Edourard Guillaud and the International Security Assistance Force’s (ISAF) Commander in Afghanistan General Stanley McChrystal met Chief of Army Staff General Ashfaq Kayani and discussed matters of professional interest, Online reported.

General McChrystal lauded the Pakistan Army’s efforts in the war against terrorism and added the ISAF would support Pakistan’s efforts, Online quoted its sources.

They said Kayani raised the issue of drone attacks in Pakistan with the ISAF commander.

Admiral Guillaud also called on President Asif Ali Zardari and Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani and discussed matters of mutual interest.

“The Friends of Pakistan initiative, the rehabilitation of internally displaced persons and the drive against militants came under discussion,” the president’s spokesman Farhatullah Babar said.

Babar said during President Zardari’s recent visit to France, it was decided that new areas of cooperation would be explored besides enhancing support in the energy sector, including civilian nuclear power plants, trade, civil aviation and defence. He said the French president had also announced 300 million euros in economic assistance and another 12 million euros for rehabilitation of the internally displaced persons during Zardari’s visit. Meanwhile, a statement by the French embassy said the fight against terror was a matter of concern for the international community and France sought to strengthen bilateral cooperation in the field of defence and security.

It said France’s objective was to offer political and military cooperation and support to the Pakistani authorities in strengthening the fight against the Taliban, adding that France wanted to contribute to regional security and stability through a reinforced dialogue on the matters.

Proposal: Meanwhile, in his meeting with Guillaud, Prime Minister Gilani proposed that the governments of Pakistan and France should chalk out a roadmap for pragmatic cooperation in the field of civil nuclear energy. He said a working group could be established to develop an agreed way forward on nuclear cooperation. Guillaud commended the government for its determination to eradicate extremism from Pakistan.

Equipment: He assured the prime minister that France would provide military equipment including, Tiger Helicopters, to Pakistan, APP reported. staff report/agencies

 

[vijaytripoli]

The price tag of Tiger attack helicopter:

# Tiger HAP $35–39 million USD (for French Army)
# Tiger ARH $36 million USD (for Australian Army)
# Tiger HAD $44–48 million USD (upgraded version for French army,better engines and ground-attack capabilities )
# Tiger UHT $38–43 million USD (for German Armed Forces)