France agrees to provide Pakistan the Tiger Attack helos.

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  1. vijaytripoli

    vijaytripoli Regular Member

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    France agrees to provide Pakistan the Tiger Attack helos.

    French advisor calls on PM Gilani
    Updated at: 1945 PST, Thursday, July 02, 2009
    ISLAMABAD: Prime Minister Syed Yousuf Raza Gilani Thursday said that the world community should come forward and help Pakistan in war against terrorism.

    Admiral Edouard Guillaud, Advisor to the President Sarkozy of France called on the Prime Minister Gilani at Prime Minister House.

    The PM Gilani urged France to hammer out a roadmap to provide nuclear technology to Pakistan.

    The French advisor said his country will give Pakistan Tiger helicopter and other military equipments.


    French advisor calls on PM Gilani
     
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  3. vijaytripoli

    vijaytripoli Regular Member

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    Tiger specifacations::

    http://videos.desishock.net/index.php?modu...XVMcmlGVjE1T2FV


    Length
    14m
    Height
    3.81m
    Wingspan
    13m
    Design Mission Weight
    5,400kg
    Alternate Gross Weight
    6,000kg
    Trigat Missile Range
    500m to 5km
    Maximum Air-to-Air Missile Range
    Over 5km autonomously
    Full specifications

    The EC665 Tiger helicopter is being developed for France and Germany in three configurations, UHT multi-role fire support for the German Army and HAD multi-role combat and HAP combat support for the French Army. Tiger is being built by Eurocopter, a subsidiary of the EADS (European Aeronautics Defence and Space) company formed by DaimlerChrysler Aerospace of Germany, Aerospatiale Matra of France and CASA of Spain.

    The first flight of the aircraft was in 1991. Serial production began in March 2002 and the first flight of the production Tiger HAP for France took place in March 2003. France has ordered 80 aircraft (40 HAP combat support and 40 HAD multi-role combat). The first HAP version was delivered in March 2005. Germany has ordered 80 combat support aircraft and the first UHT Tiger for Germany was delivered in April 2005. Total procurement is planned to be 120 for France and 120 for Germany.

    In December 2001, Eurocopter, with the Tiger ARH (armed reconnaissance), was awarded the contract for the Australian Army’s Air 87 requirement for 22 helicopters. The Tiger ARH is a modified version of the Tiger HAP with upgraded MTR390 engines, a laser designator incorporated in the Strix sight for the firing of Hellfire II air-to-ground missiles and M299 "smart" launchers.

    The first Tiger ARH took its maiden flight in February 2004 and deliveries began in December 2004. It is scheduled to enter service in mid-2008. Certification of the Hellfire II missile is underway and should be completed in September 2005.

    Australian Aerospace (a subsidiary of Eurocopter) has set up a local production facility for assembly of the helicopters and the manufacture of parts for the entire programme. ADI Ltd is a major subcontractor, responsible for customising the mission and communications systems.

    In September 2003, Spain selected a version of the Tiger HAP combat support helicopter, to be called the HAD, which will be armed with the Rafael Spike-ER anti-armour and Mistral air-to-air missile systems. 24 helicopters will be ordered which will also have an uprated Enhanced MTR390E engine and a heavier payload. Six helicopters in the HAP version will be delivered to Spain in 2007, which will later be converted to HAD. The first three were delivered in May 2007. 18 HAD versions will be delivered between 2010 and 2014.

    France originally placed an order for 70 HAP and ten HAC, an anti-tank variant but this was changed to 40 HAP and 40 HAD variants in December 2005. Spain and France signed the development contract for the helicopter in December 2004. The production HAD made its maiden flight in December 2007.
    TIGER UHT HELICOPTER

    Tiger UHT multi-role fire support helicopters have an Osiris mast-mounted sight from SAGEM, with Infrared Charge Coupled Device (IRCCD) camera and laser rangefinder. There is a nose-mounted Forward-Looking Infrared (FLIR) with a 40° x 30° field of view.
    "In its combat support role the Tiger uses a gun, 68mm rockets and Mistral missiles."

    Tiger can be equipped with four MBDA (formerly Matra BAe Dynamics) Mistral or Raytheon Stinger air-to-air missiles. The air-to-air missile control functions are on the flight control grip. Target acquisition is achieved by using the joystick to steer the sight manually or with automatic tracking. The FIM-92 Stinger missile, also produced under license by EADS (formerly LFK), is equipped with a 1kg warhead and range up to 5km. The Mistral missile has a 3kg warhead and range of 6km.

    The Tiger is fitted with EADS/LFK ATA firing posts for the launch of Euromissile HOT 3 and Euromissile TRIGAT LR anti-tank missiles, fired by the gunner. Only one weapon is activated at a time.

    The TRIGAT LR missile has a range of 500m to 5,000m and can be applied in direct attack or terminal dive attack modes. The HOT 3 missile has a range of up to 4,000m.

    Germany placed a production contract for the PARS 3 (TRIGAT LR) missile in June 2006. 680 PARS 3 LR missiles are to be delivered by 2014 for the German Army Tiger UHT helicopter. The Tiger ARH for Australia is being fitted with the M299 launcher for Hellfire II missiles and will also be armed with 70mm rockets. France and Spain have not yet selected an anti-tank missile.
    TIGER HAD

    The 40 Tiger HAD helicopters for France will be armed with eight Lockheed Martin Hellfire II air-to-ground missiles. Hellfire II has a semi-active laser seeker and range of over 8km. Spanish HAD will be armed with Rafael Spike-ER air-to-ground missiles, license-built by General Dynamics Santa Barbara Sistemas.

    In addition, HAD is armed with one Nexter (formerly Giat) 30mm cannon turret, 70mm rockets and four Mistral air-to-air missiles. HAD helicopters will also be equipped with the Sagem Strix roof-mounted sight.
    TIGER ARH

    The Tiger ARH for Australia is being fitted with the M299 launcher for Hellfire II missiles and will also be armed with 70mm Hydra rockets, the Nexter 30mm cannon and four Stinger air-to-air missiles.
    COMBAT SUPPORT TIGER

    In its combat support role, the Tiger HAP uses a gun for short-range engagements, 68mm rockets at medium and long range and Mistral missiles to engage airborne threats. The helicopter is equipped with a turreted 30mm gun together with: either four Mistral missiles, 44 rockets plus four Mistral missiles, or 68 rockets. Only one weapon can be activated at a time.
    "The Tiger frames and beams have been fabricated from Kevlar and carbon laminates."

    The Tiger HAP helicopter for the French Army is equipped with a 30mm AM-30781 automatic cannon from Nexter. Rate of fire is 750 rounds a minute. Tiger HAP also carries four Mistral missiles and two pods each carrying 22 SNEB 68mm rockets.

    Tiger HAP has a SAGEM Strix roof-mounted sight, with a gyro-stabilised platform, infrared camera, Charge-Coupled Device Television camera (CCD TV), laser rangefinder and direct optical sight.

    French Tiger HAP helicopters will be capable of deployment from French Navy Mistral and Foudre Class amphibious transport vessels and Charles de Gaulle aircraft carrier. Initial operating capability for the maritime role is scheduled for late 2008.

    DESIGN

    In order to minimise the weight, approximately 80% of the airframe has been constructed of composite materials. The frames and beams have been fabricated from Kevlar and carbon laminates. Panels are composed of Nomex honeycomb material with carbon and Kevlar skins.

    The helicopter blades are of fibre-composite construction. Radar reflective structures and surfaces have been minimised.

    COCKPIT

    Each cockpit is equipped with two multi-function colour displays supplied by Thales Avionique and VDO Luftfahrtgerate Werk GmbH, which display imagery from the gunner's sight, the FLIR and video image from the Dornier/VDO Eurogrid digital map generator.

    The French Tigre helicopter has a TopOwl helmet-mounted sight for both crew stations and a head up display for the pilot, all supplied by Thales Avionique. The German Tiger crew is equipped with BAE Systems Integrated Day and Night Helmets. Australian Tigers have the Helmet-Mounted Sight Display (HMSD) from ADI.

    Each crew station is equipped with a Control and Display Unit (CDU). Navigation, communications and system status are controlled via the CDU. The CDU includes a Data Insertion Device (DID), which is a removable memory pack preprogrammed with mission data at a ground station.

    COUNTERMEASURES
    "Each cockpit is equipped with two multi-function colour displays."

    EADS Defence Electronics is providing the EWS electronic warfare suite for the Tiger, which includes a radar warning receiver, laser warner, MILDS missile launch detector developed by EADS DE, central processing unit from Thales and SAPHIR-M chaff / flare dispenser from MBDA. This system is also fitted in the NH 90 helicopter. Indra is providing the electronic warfare suite for the Spanish Tigers.

    NAVIGATION

    The navigation system contains two Thales Avionique three-axis ring laser gyro units, two magnetometers, two air data computers, BAE Systems Canada CMA 2012 four-beam Doppler radar, radio altimeter, global positioning system and a suite of low air speed sensors.
    TURBOSHAFT ENGINES

    The Tiger HAP / UHT is powered by two MTU / Turbomeca / Rolls-Royce MTR390 turboshaft engines rated at 960kW (1,285shp). Self-sealing crashworthy fuel tanks have explosion suppression and non-return valves.

    Tiger HAD has two MTR390-E enhanced engines rated at 1,094kW (1,467shp).

    Tiger - Attack Helicopter (EC665) Multi-Role Helicopter - Army Technology
     
  4. vijaytripoli

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    MAR gaye . Germany providing submarine, France provinding Subs , Helos & AAMs, China providing everything , Usa providing $$$ & equipments. anything left?
    chau
     
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    Aese kaese mar gaye ? :D
    What do you expect ? You don't expect them to sit happily while we boost our hardware do you ?
    This is like hoping that the opponent cricket team never hits a boundary.

    Our dominance will be maintained even after all the purchases you have stated.
    On the contrary, this acquisition might give the govt. a push for greater speed of expansion and upgradation.
     
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    Plus, there is no talk of an official tender.
    This doesn't have to translate into reality. Or they might "offer" the Tiger not as aid, but as an official sale in which case there are chances that Pakistan wouldn't like to spend money on them.
     
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    dosen't Afghanistan need weapons to fight terrorism??
     
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    what is the cost of this copter? i think ~50 million. pakstan has to sell three j17 to buy one tiger :bye:
     
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    finding a buyer will be the bigger task, there's a very small market reversed,reversed engineered salvage plane market.
     
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    yea you are right,then they ll play an anti terror/ war on terror card to convince France for easy financing/loan of tiger.
    this bird is costlier then PAF f16. and why would pakistan go for such expensive copter given the fact that pakistan is suffering from deep financial constrains.
    it is well known that most of the developing nations even India has developed its defence capabilities in past by such purchases with assisted financial loans but pakistani aspirations are more bizarre even if war on terror is concerned;which is being fought in pakistan, US has overwhelming presence and is playing pro active role in Pak and AF to flush out Pakistan's very own nurtured space occupying lesions(terrorists). For a layman Pakistani, this war is thrust upon him. they were passing legislation on deal in SWAT with talib recently. Now they are swinging and changing stands every where to bluff whenever, wherever, whatever they can.
     
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    how will they keep up when we are spending 30 billion a year in defense and it is 3% of our GDP and it can be increased if needed, in the future we may spend 50 billion a year. Pakistan has a GDP of 150 billion if correct that would be 33% of their GDP i don't think during the cold war Soviet Union even approached that kind of number. There will only be so much credit and charity given countries want to be PAID for their best weaponry and the generosity may come to an ugly end especially when there are no concrete results from their effort in the war on terror and nothing is being done for the common man or to improve the economy.
     
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    there is a sudden increase in numbers of developed nations selling arms to everyone every where. as far as India is concerned i think India's increasing capability to buy arms in future will not be able to provide an edge in old fashioned/typical arms competition with its enemy.
    'my heart is like a open highway policy' of these developed countries is demanding very long term but flexible strategies. Once hard earned/acquired ace weapons are now every-ones cup of tea. defence challenges are now more complex and multi factorial. India has to recognise and admit these challenges ASAP.
     
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    India has to move from buyer to joint collaboration, that will make the difference, and much more indigenous production we are definetly of to a good start. I don't think India will remain in buyer and seller type relations in many future projects the trend has already been in full swing with the Russians, Israelis and to a certain degree with the French, this is one obstacle that India has in expanding it's defense buys from USA. Much of the stuff given to Pakistan is outdated, used or old technology so there will still be a technology gap that will only continue to increase with most countries not wanting to give their best weaponry for FREE lack of funds have delayed more than half of pakistani buys or projects, but many nations have made a great charitable effort to make sure pakistan is well armed.
     
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    oh you steal my words, i was a critic of indigenous stuff but now from giving benefit of doubt to full fledged supporter my vote to the same as you mentioned above.

    to be on the topic is Tiger capable enough in such low intensity conflicts as per the configuration of this copter being highly suffisticated(data linked) to help pakistan lacking such advances.
     
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    Our Defence budget is 2.25% of our GDP. The armed forces have requested the budget be hiked to 3% of the GDP last year from 1.9% of GDP. The govt only raised it to 2.25%. Hopefully, the main budget session that's already started will push up the budget even higher than the 34% rise we saw early this year.

    Anyways, Pakistan will not have to tap for defence money from their own GDP. America buys them their weapons. The Tigers will come from US too.

    The recent aid announcement from America is only an official figure. How would anybody know the actual figures?
     
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    US will only do it for so long my figures are annual numbers and US itself is becoming a bigger debtor nation so I doubt the trend will continue after USA is done using pakistan. The amount of weapons USA has given Pakistan does not come close to our spending but IMF funding and other stupid titles and absolutely no transparency disguise the real amounts. How do we know or USA know non-military aid is being used for the refugees I doubt even 1% is used for what it is claimed to be intended.
     
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    I would say this series of events should be a wake-up call for the defence forces and the goverment ! The goverment should understand that all that matter is our national intrest.
     
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    Indian government should officially make Rafaele the first plane out of the MRCA. They won't mind losing the huge contract since they can be so charitable to the pakistanis.
     
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    Few day ago there was news Rafale was out of race, the sale of tigers to Pakistan may be a response to that. We must silently kick Rafale, as it is Rafale is not upto mark.
     
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    i was thinking about that too, and they want to give Pakistan a nuclear agreement, Rafaele is as good as dead in the MRCA.
     
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    LOL. If that's the case, then the French have already sold Agostas to Pak at the cost of 14 French lives and are now ready to sell Tigers, so kick Rafale out.

    Sweden sold their AWACS to Pakistan(more deadly than the subs and the Tigers), so kick Gripen out.

    The Americans, well you know the deal, so kick Viper and SH out. The Germans are ready to sell their subs to Pak, so kick the EF-2000 out.

    The Russians are exporting RD-93 engines to Pak and the recent visit of Kiyani to Russia, so kick Mig-35 out.

    Welcome to the world of Business. We are not gonna kick the contenders out for flimsy reasons. Once our technology matures, we will start doing the same thing around the world.
     

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