Formation of Telangana State

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  1. Ray

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    Congress core committee may take a decision on Telangana

    New Delhi/Hyderabad, July 12: Congress core committee is holding a meeting in New Delhi Friday, amid indications that it may take a decision on Telangana issue. The meeting is scheduled to be held at 5.30 p.m. but the leadership has asked the Andhra Pradesh chief minister, deputy chief minister and state congress chief to be available at 4 p.m. The three state leaders are likely to make their presentations separately before the core committee, which will then discuss the issue.

    The core committee meeting to be held at Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's residence will be attended by party chief Sonia Gandhi, vice president Rahul Gandhi, A.K. Antony, Ahmed Patel, Sushilkumar Shinde, Digvijaya Singh and Ghulam Nabi Azad, party sources said. Congress general secretary Digvijaya Singh's statement that the party can't further delay a decision on the contentious issue has raised expectations of the core committee finally taking a call on future of Andhra Pradesh. Chief Minister N. Kiran Kumar Reddy, his deputy Damodar Rajanarasimha and state Congress chief Botsa Satyanarayana are camping in Delhi since Thursday to submit their roadmap to the leadership. The party leadership has asked them to submit the roadmap if a decision is taken either way. The party leaders remained sharply divided along regional lines over the issue. Vehemently opposing any move to divide the state, a section of leaders from Seemandhra (Rayalaseema and Andhra regions) are lobbying in the national capital. Party MPs, state ministers and other leaders from Telangana have also rushed to Delhi to present their case before the leadership. The MPs Friday morning held a meeting at the residence of Ponnam Prabhakar. While Telangana leaders are hopeful that the core committee would take a positive decision and reiterate its commitment to a Dec 9, 2009 statement, their counterparts from Seemandhra believe that the state would remain united. Then Union home Minister P. Chidambaram Dec 9, 2009 had announced that the process for formation of separate Telangana state would be initiated. However, following mass resignations by MPs and state legislators from Seemandhra, the centre put the process on hold, citing need for a consensus.

    Congress core committee may take a decision on Telangana - Oneindia News

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    I just heard a staement by one Hunamantha Roa of the Congress.

    He justifies Telegana by stating that AP outside the areas of Telengana and Rayalseems is lost as it is because of Jaggan Reddy.

    Therefore, if Congress is to remain credible, then there should be Telengana with Rayalseems as a separate state!

    Incredulous!

    So States are created so that it serves the interest of political parties?

    IN other words, peoples desires are immaterial and it is the desire of the Political party's interest which decides being supreme!

    Kiya India, sirjee!
     
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    in telugu there is proverb "mundu nuyyi venaka goyyi" --in front there is a well at back there is a pit
    any decision taken by congress pro telangana or pro samaikyandhra(joint statehood) is difficult for them.lets see what happens
     
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    why decision Telangana is to be taken by Congress core committee.is that should be GoI decision

    If u want to create Telangana then go for it.

    if not then say on FACE no
     
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    What fight? What do you win? Will you need a visa to visit Hyderabad, if you lose? Do you stand to lose any of your investments or property in Hyderabad? Will there be an electric fence separating Telangana from Coastal Andhra and Rayalaseema?

    These are the the same questions I ask countless people from Coastal Andhra and Rayalaseema. Why does the prospect of Hyderabad staying with Telangana scare them so much. As if they need a visa to go to Mumbai or Chennai, and as if they can't own properties in Mumbai or Chennai.
     
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    It's not entirely a catch 22, the dilemma is tilted in favor of Telangana.
    • Create Telangana: Sonia and Pappu become demigods in Telangana, Congress is guaranteed to rule from Hyderabad for the next 25 years, at least. If Congress creates Telangana, people will choose Congress over TRS, because Congress has administrative experience, TRS has none
    • Keep AP united: Regardless of announcing to keeping AP united, Congress' ouster from Hyderabad due to bad governance and anti-incumbancy is guaranteed in 2014, YSRC will turn AP into the next Tamil Nadu for Congress, Congress will never be able to rule from Hyderabad again.
    • Status-quo / Make no decision: Not saying "yes" to Telangana is considered a "no" to Telangana, and Congress will suffer the same consequences as announcing that it will keep AP united.
     
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    CREATE TELANGANA: congress will not be present in andhra and rayalaseema for ever.its never an easy decision to make.congresses announcement about decision on telangana raised hopes in many parties with interest in new states,triggering similar set of events.
    even if congress sticks with status-quo for now there will be no additional damage that can be incurred to congress politically.
     
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    Without Hyderabad, Congress needn't care about Seemandhra. There's already YSRC and TDP. Hyderabad is the trophy here. If Congress creates Telangana, it is guaranteed control over Hyderabad indefinitely. If it doesn't create Telangana, it may never control Hyderabad, because YSRC and TDP will drive out Congress from Seemandhra, and if NDA creates Telangana, Congress will be driven out of Telangana as well.
     
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    MIM and Congress want it, but TRS and the locals of Kurnool and Anantapur are opposed to it. Instead, there's a new movement taking shape that seeks creation of a separate Rayalaseema state with Tirupati (the biggest city in the region) as its capital. Rayalaseema tagged along with Coastal Andhra only as long as they were promised their place under the sun in Hyderabad. Without Telangana, there's nothing to hold the other two regions together. Rayalaseema would want Coastal Andhra feudalism gone as much as Telangana would.
     
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    NEW DELHI: The next step towards creation of Telangana - a resolution by the Andhra Pradesh assembly recommending statehood - is on the cards as the Congress leadership moves towards resolving the vexed demand.

    The party leadership is determined to press ahead with Telangana as it feels further delay will only erode its prospects in the electorally key state with 42 Lok Sabha seats.

    Although it has tilted towards Telangana, Congress has held back in the face of opponents of statehood warning of a severe backlash in coastal and Rayalseema areas and the contentious issue to settling claims to Hyderabad.

    The assembly resolution is mandatory and the ruling party is gearing up to the legislature being summoned to consider and pass the statehood demand.

    Home minister Sushilkumar Shinde confirmed the heightened buzz over Telangana when he told the media on Thursday that the government will decide on the statehood demand soon, "this way or that way".

    "Various people, including top leaders of Congress and government, including the Prime Minister, are meeting on the issue. The matter is under consideration," Shinde said.

    Shinde's "final" decision remarks can mean that the party is ready to grasp the nettle although the minister spoke of Telangana within a month in December, 2012. This proved premature, but now the party leadership is in a firmer frame of mind.

    Congress's concern comes ahead of the 2014 Lok Sabha election since it faces dire prospects in Andhra Pradesh. The party has lost ground to rebel leader Jaganmohan Reddy's outfit in coastal and Rayalseema areas while the pro-Telangana TRS is the major gainer elsewhere.

    The party hopes granting statehood will revive its fortunes in Telangana putting it in contention in 17 Lok Sabha seats even if has to deal with a backlash in the other two regions. It hopes that post-election deal with Jaganmohan will compensate for the loss.

    Opponents of Telangana are arguing that Congress's calculations are solely centred on the 2014 election and ignore the possibility of the party being wiped out in the coast and Rayalseema for several electoral cycles.

    Anti-Telangana Congress leaders say that the party will end up empowering two regional outfits - TRS and YSR Congress - without any significant gains itself.

    The naysayers are concerned over the prospect of Hyderabad being part of Telangana as they have substantial financial interests in the city that has come to rival Bangalore as a IT and business destination.

    Telangana supporters point out that the popular sentiment is unlikely to be appeased by half measures and if Congress does not respond, it could let the initiative slip out of its hands. There is a strong possibility of mass desertions from the Congress ranks ahead of the next election.

    Asked if an announcement on Telangana would be made ahead of monsoon session of Parliament beginning August 5, Shinde said he could not unilaterally indicate a timeframe as the final decision has to be taken by the top Congress leadership. "But the decision will be taken soon, this way or the other," he said, keeping up the suspense on fate of the Telangana demand.

    Incidentally, Shinde's comments come amid strong indications after a recent crucial Congress core committee meeting, that a positive announcement on Telangana was only a matter of time.

    Home ministry had earlier compiled its report on Telangana, in which it indicated the pros and cons of conceding the long-standing demand for statehood.

    It is said to have indicated internal security concerns over creation of a separate Telangana, apart from warning that a positive decision on Telangana would open a Pandora's box of similar statehood demands from other parts of the country.






    Congress keen to press with Telangana statehood - The Times of India



    http://www.thehindu.com/news/nation...telangana-at-congress-meet/article4909452.ece
     
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    Re: New State Likely

    It is something new to me and I wonder what the Constitution of India provides for creating new States. The USA had 13 States when its Constitution was ratified. The remaining 37 were created later from territories and areas taken from Mexico by war or from Britain, Russia and France by purchase. USA also had or has territories taken by war with Spain in 1898. But no US state was created out of parts of existing ones, as far as I know.

    We also have gerrymandering in the US and I wonder if the concept isn't similar with Telangana.

    Gerrymandering - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Just speculation on my part.
     
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    they want a gerrymandered state that all.but till when does such advantage stand only shortlived
     
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    @drkrn ?

    Congress has no plans for Telangana

    There was a front page banner article in The Hindu today, titled Telangana looks certain. “Senior party and Government sources” told The Hindu the political considerations behind this “decision” but left out details on the administrative considerations (which we will discuss later in the article). There have been other leaks too — to other publications — pretty much saying the same thing. This is the umpteenth time the Congress has leaked such “decisions” to the media, only to backtrack them later. Assuming that the leaks now are true, they expose the severe bankruptcy in the thinking of the Congress.

    There are two main points that I wish to bring to the notice of the readers here.

    First, the article also gave a sequence of events that should happen before the splitting of AP can happen. I will paraphrase them here for easy reading (points in brackets are by me).

    1.Congress Working Committee to endorse decision taken to create Telangana (please note that no decision has been taken yet!)

    2. After CWC endorsement, file will go to the Union Cabinet.

    3. Then the file goes to the President.

    4. President then sends it to the AP Assembly.

    5. Assembly approval not mandatory, it needs only “views” of MLAs.

    6. If after prescribed time, Assembly does not get back, Parliament to take up the Bill for approval.

    Let’s assume steps 1 to 3 will be smooth. It is steps 4 and 5 that will become a thorn in the Bill’s side. The AP Assembly is deeply divided on this issue. Congress’s own MLAs, MPs, and Ministers are leading protest rallies (as latest as last week) for a unified State — there has been no instance of any discussion happening with them. If there is a strong pro-single State sentiment in the Andhra-Rayalseema region, political leaders of the other parties will also not simply keep quiet. They too will join the agitation and bandhs / strikes will become the order of the day.

    Let’s assume that steps 1 to 3 will in fact decide for a unified Andhra Pradesh. The exact same situation mentioned above will happen in the Telangana region.

    Under such a surcharged atmosphere, how does the Union Government of India propose to make this process smooth? Guess what? They have no clue yet! Not a single attempt has been made to hold extensive discussions with people and leaders of various regions. Only occasional leaks saying that the “decision is almost taken”.

    Second, please take careful note of what the ‘sources’ are leaking. The article today says:

    The key issue, of course, is to address the apprehensions of those from the Andhra and Rayalaseema regions who have, over the years, made substantial investments in Hyderabad, geographically located within the Telangana region. “Some safeguards have to be put in place,” a Government source said, “to allay the fears of these people that their investments will be safe.” … One suggestion is to make Hyderabad a Union Territory for a period of 10 years…
    Some safegaurds “have to be put” in the place — meaning no plans are even ready. The “suggestion” above is totally unacceptable to the Telangana protagonists. How Sonia Gandhi proposes to handle this situation is totally unclear. And there is one immediate question that arises — what is the plan after 10 years? Is it ready? If so, why are they not leaking it, given their propensity to leaking?

    Without having such basic plans ready, how on earth do they plan to announce the splitting up of a State? How exactly does the Government of India plan to release a plan for the splitting up of AP (I am not saying bifurcation, because we don’t know if it will be bifurcated or trifurcated!) and take on board all sections of the society? An earlier article on NitiCentral debated these and more points on how the Congress has tangled the Telangana issue in a web!

    In recent presentations to the Congress Core Committee, both the Chief Minister of AP and the Congress president of AP have made a strong pitch for a united State. Will the Core Committee go against the wishes of their top leaders in the State? If so, has that been conveyed to these leaders? With this news breaking out, there will again be protest rallies and bandhs in the Andhra and Rayalseema regions – does her highness Sonia Gandhi wish to make an attempt to communicate with these people? Or is she assuming that these protests will fizzle out?

    Also, look at point number 6 – “if after prescribed time” – what exactly is the duration of “prescribed time”? Three months? Six months? One week? Only two more full sessions of Parliament are possible – Monsoon and Winter (budget will be vote-on) – before the elections. Monsoon session is in August, so we can safely exclude that option. Is there a plan to introduce the Bill in winter session, even if the AP Assembly doesn’t agree?

    Every single time news of this sort is leaked, a caveat is attached saying the only contentious factor is Hyderabad — but not even once are we told if anything is being done to arrive at a solution for the same! A roadmap to splitting of Andhra Pradesh must and should be discussed with the people and leaders of AP — something that has been amiss since the beginning.

    Going by the UPA’s history of taking decisions in haste, one should not be surprised if it announces something with absolutely no clarity. It is clear from various leaks that Sonia Gandhi still has no clarity on how to go about the split — but is willing to take the plunge so as to benefit politically.

    Politically, the “sources” have explained that if this is granted, the party will benefit in Telangana. If so, why will the political heavyweights of Congress from other regions (these include the Chief Minister and PCC President) be mute spectators to their political downfall? Quite obviously, the process will not be smooth given the attitude of the current dispensation. We are only in for more desperate times ahead. That is the tragedy of this sordid saga.
     
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    Re: New State Likely

    your observations above is excellent,a timely view from a senior member

    but you have missed few points the current political state of state parties has been a dilemma. neither tdp nor congress will have full strength to form a government next term where its an open for all situation.

    not to mention about a new party ysrcp which is going to eat away some share of votes of congress especially in andhra and rayalaseema regions while grossly limited in telangana due to its pro-united stance.
    but in recent developments during by-elections a ysrcp candidate lost marginally by few hundred voted to trs person ringing warning bells to congress about ysrcp potential in that area too.

    talking about congress policy to make rahul gandhi the next PM the 42 odd mp posts from andhra is too important,and for fact congress now has 32 mp seats in ap.
    while 17 are from telangana rest are from other areas

    forming separate state will surely give 17 seats for congress+trs in to their kiddy bank.and congress is hoping that it will not loose in other regions if properly compensated

    so i view congress is going to make announcement regarding new state just before general elections(there can be premature elections) so as to gain maximum seats in this area

    and with the probability of congress going to form a government next time less likely attention will be diverted away from them after elections.simple logic,initiate the process leave the headache to next govt

    formation of telangana or not hugely depends on power distribution at center rather than local level as it is finally a decision to be made in parliament.
     
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    As per rediff
    Does the bolded line indicate that telangana will be.....????
     
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    When Punjab was trifurcated to today's Punjab, Haryana, and Himanchal, Chandigarh was built to serve as common capital for Punjab and Haryana for a finite amount of time (11 years), after which Punjab stood to inherit it, and it was fair, because Punjab had not just lost Delhi, but also its state boundary with it. 50 years later, and Haryana still doesn't want to let go of Chandigarh (the UT), and their interstate territorial dispute has been simmering, despite the fact that with Gurgaon and its state boundary with Delhi, it has infinitely benefited from getting its slice of NCR.

    There's nothing to say that Andhra will give up Hyderabad in 2024 (at least not without a fight, political, legal, militant, etc.). Therefore, Telangana will not accept the proposal for a shared capital with Andhra.

    If division of AP with shared capital is the best that Congress can come up with, then they can take their proposal and shove it up their behinds. Telangana will wait for NDA to do their bidding.
     
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