Forging a India US Strategic Partnership and Has it Bombed?

[trackwhack]

Re: Forging a Indian Strategic Partnership

Could you amplify.

It does raise interesting speculations of how things can or will or will not pan out.

What do you feel?

The theme of the article is that the US will not get a free ride and force an unequal partnership with India. So the US has to use existing leverage and amplify India's future security concerns to build dependencies and thus build an unequal partnership over a longer period of time. The ultimate objective obviously is to preserve American interests, not enhance or preserve Indian interests.

 

[amitkriit]

Rightfully so, USA can never be to India what USSR was, a friend in need.

 

[trackwhack]

Re: Forging a Indian Strategic Partnership

Lets look at it this way.

1. Is there are requirement for a US India strategic relationship?

2. In what field should it fructify if there is such a requirement?

3. Is there any other way we can ensure that China is not allowed to be adventurists with Indian territory?

4. What are the plusses and minuses that this strategic relations will have on Pakistan, China and Russia?

5. How do we balance those?

We cannot offshore our security requirements. America is not the answer to our security needs.

 

[roma]

Re: Forging a Indian Strategic Partnership

R Vinci is R Gandhi?
Let us not talk about this disaster.

SIR, - fortunately or unfortunately we cannot avoid the topic - he is being touted as the next leader of the most powerful political party and potentially the next defence minister - so he has to be a " household " name on this defence forum - sorry to add - "like it or not" - it's simply the reality ?

 

[roma]

Re: Forging a Indian Strategic Partnership

We cannot offshore our security requirements. America is not the answer to our security needs.

agree wholeheartedly with your first sentence

would have preferred that your secound sentence read as " Usa is not the ONLY answer ...... " ..to exclude the usa ( as Nehru did ) would be a huge mistake repeated ... we need them ( and they , us ) , but ultimately it's our defence and we must be in charge - and not " offshore " it as you rightly stated

 

[roma]

Rightfully so, USA can never be to India what USSR was, a friend in need.

those were good days for the india military

unfortunately the USSR doesn't exist any more

 

[trackwhack]

Re: Forging a Indian Strategic Partnership

agree wholeheartedly with your first sentence

would have preferred that your secound sentence read as " Usa is not the ONLY answer ...... " ..to exclude the usa ( as Nehru did ) would be a huge mistake repeated ... we need them ( and they , us ) , but ultimately it's our defence and we must be in charge - and not " offshore " it as you rightly stated

No, America is not the answer to our security needs. Defence partnership, JV's, Military exercises are all ok. Even Defence procurement with terms negotiated well is ok. But no security pact, no American BMD on Indian soil. No berthing rights and access to ports. All this is pure BS. Cannot happen, should not happen. We should not even allow this in neighbouring countries, forget our own soil.

 

[Ray]

Re: Forging a Indian Strategic Partnership

The theme of the article is that the US will not get a free ride and force an unequal partnership with India. So the US has to use existing leverage and amplify India's future security concerns to build dependencies and thus build an unequal partnership over a longer period of time. The ultimate objective obviously is to preserve American interests, not enhance or preserve Indian interests.

True.

While the US leverages, don't you think that India has to reciprocate.

Can it be otherwise? They too require assurances.

So, what is the answer?

 

[Ray]

Re: Forging a Indian Strategic Partnership

No, America is not the answer to our security needs. Defence partnership, JV's, Military exercises are all ok. Even Defence procurement with terms negotiated well is ok. But no security pact, no American BMD on Indian soil. No berthing rights and access to ports. All this is pure BS. Cannot happen, should not happen. We should not even allow this in neighbouring countries, forget our own soil.

Perfectly fine for a self respecting country like India.

Now,what if China ups the ante and does some adventure along our borders?

Do we require friends in the UN and elsewhere? That is merely from the political and moral angle.

Can we take on the Chinese diplomacy?

Can we contest the Chinese military might?

While I am sure we can, would it not be a good idea that we use 'friends' to put China in a spot, by opening up other fronts (diplomatically, strategically, militarily, economically and all that)?

But then the question does remain - will the US live up to the expectation to do so.

That is the nagging question!

 

[addiction]

IMO, we need US in case we see any aggression from China within this decade but I am not sure if they will actually jump in to protect our interest in case of any full fledge war with China!

There is only one way to keep China in control, develop as many long range nuke tipped missiles as possible and deploy them in huge numbers"¦.these missiles can save us in hard time and not any country like US when it comes to defense of over a billion people!

 

[The Messiah]

It is in the interest of usa that India never becomes a world power economically or militarily. Thus any ideas of "strategic partnership" falls face down.

 

[addiction]

It is in the interest of usa that India never becomes a world power economically or militarily. Thus any ideas of "strategic partnership" falls face down.

They know and we know it too that we do not have any qualities at present which will make us world power at least in next two decades...US wants to contain china and we have serious problem with the rise of china...so it makes sense to join hands with enemy's enemy....only concern is, how much we can trust US..

 

[The Messiah]

They know and we know it too that we do not have any qualities at present which will make us world power at least in next two decades...US wants to contain china and we have serious problem with the rise of china...so it makes sense to join hands with enemy's enemy....only concern is, how much we can trust US..

There is no trust.

 

[trackwhack]

Re: Forging a Indian Strategic Partnership

True.

While the US leverages, don't you think that India has to reciprocate.

Can it be otherwise? They too require assurances.

So, what is the answer?

What assurances do they require?

It is the US that has military bases near India. No the other way round. Have we threatened the US militarily? Has the US threatened us?

Anyone who expected India's territorial integrity to remain intact after 1947 was obviously an idiot. We should be happy that we have endured 60+ years as a single entity without being dismembered badly. We should be proud of it and thank the armed forces and leaders for pulling through despite the odds. No one gave us a chance. And we pulled it off without being subservient to anyone else.

Today we are at the cusp of something great. To be able to plough through the next 3 decades and ensure that within a 100 years of being left in the worst possible shape that a society could be in, we emerge as a strong independent and proud nation capable of taking care of our needs of food, shelter, freedom and security.

There is ample evidence available that American foreign policy is not philanthropic. On the contrary it it selfish and serves only the objective of ensuring that the vast supply of the planets resources are hoarded and consumed by Americans.

Neither common sense or logic or morality would agree with a strategic relationship with the US. We are competitors, the sooner we understand that the better.

 

[sukhish]

All India needs is an economic relationship with the U.S and not much of military relationship.

 

[asianobserve]

Another looming strategic blunder for India if it bomb out of the strategic partnership that is offered to it.

 

[roma]

what india badly needs is TECHNOLOGY - manufacturing tech and defence tech - improve our laboratories - let manufacturing play a larger role in the economy - continue the present policy of buying from whomever will sell us but serious need to improve " copying " - overhaul of te political system is most important - wont happen - india likely to remain a 2nd level power not a super power as long as political system is the ricksha it is