FOREIGN POLICY: New, Strong and Clear Outreach

[sorcerer]

China Does Not Want To De-Friend India At Cost of Pakistan, Says Former Foreign Secretary


New Delhi: Ahead of the weekend meeting between Prime Minister Narendra Modi and President Xi Jinping, China has said that it is ready to have talks with India on the latter's entry into the Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG).

Former foreign secretary Bhupatray Shashank on Wednesday said China does not want to de-friend India at the cost of Pakistan.

Shashant told ANI, "China is saying that India has to negotiate with all the members of the NSG. So, it's not a bilateral issue."

"China is trying to divert attention from its own role in blocking India's entry into NSG by saying 'look you have not spoken to others and they are others, who are blocking it," he added.
When asked about banning Azhar Masood, Shashank said China is trying to put pressure on both India and Pakistan.


"On one hand telling India that cannot clear Azhar Masood's name on the terror list and on other hand they are telling Pakistan that look they must do something quickly so that China is not embarrassed and is not singled out for this purpose," he added.

"So, you have to keep in mind all these factors that China on one hand does not want to de-friend India at the cost of Pakistan and secondly it does not totally alienate India. So therefore," he added.
Prime Minister Narendra Modi will meet President Xi tomorrow at the BRICS summit in Goa, which groups Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa.

Earlier, China's Vice Foreign Minister Li Baodong, defending his country's blocking of India's petition for a UN ban on Azhar, who heads the Jaish-e-Mohammed, said, "No one should pursue "political gains in the name of counter-terrorism."


India has blamed the Jaish-e-Mohammed for January's attack on the air force base in Pathankot and last month's terror strike on an army base in Uri in Kashmir, in which 19 soldiers were killed.

China has twice thwarted India's move for Azhar to be added by the United Nations Security Council to blacklisted groups that are linked to al Qaeda or ISIS. It also led a small group of countries in June that opposed India being made a member of the Nuclear Suppliers Group or NSG, which has 48 members who trade in civil nuclear technology. Both moves are seen as Beijing's extension of support to ally Pakistan.



In April, China was the sole among 15 member-countries of the Security Council to veto the ban on Azhar, which would stop him from travelling internationally and freeze his assets. Days before the veto or "technical hold" was to expire at the end of last month, China renewed it.
Last week, Vikas Swarup, the External Affairs Ministry spokesperson, said that India would ask China to reconsider its stand, seen as a significant extension of support to ally Pakistan.
About the NSG, China's Vice Foreign Minister said "These rules are not to be decided by China alone... we are ready to continue consultations with India to build consensus and we also hope India can go to other members of the NSG as well."

To prevent India's entry, China has said that the NSG's rules disallow a member who has not signed the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. India has said it will not surrender its national interest by signing the accord, but its track record of non-proliferation should entitle it to join the NSG. India was granted an NSG waiver in 2008 that allows it to engage in nuclear commerce, but deprives it of a vote in the organisation's decision making.


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Its china...but we can take that ..china is reconsidering its posturing towards pakistan...
As usual its a chinese forked tongue talk till things materalizes in real world

 

[raja696]

China Does Not Want To De-Friend India At Cost of Pakistan, Says Former Foreign Secretary


New Delhi: Ahead of the weekend meeting between Prime Minister Narendra Modi and President Xi Jinping, China has said that it is ready to have talks with India on the latter's entry into the Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG).

Former foreign secretary Bhupatray Shashank on Wednesday said China does not want to de-friend India at the cost of Pakistan.

Shashant told ANI, "China is saying that India has to negotiate with all the members of the NSG. So, it's not a bilateral issue."

"China is trying to divert attention from its own role in blocking India's entry into NSG by saying 'look you have not spoken to others and they are others, who are blocking it," he added.
When asked about banning Azhar Masood, Shashank said China is trying to put pressure on both India and Pakistan.


"On one hand telling India that cannot clear Azhar Masood's name on the terror list and on other hand they are telling Pakistan that look they must do something quickly so that China is not embarrassed and is not singled out for this purpose," he added.

"So, you have to keep in mind all these factors that China on one hand does not want to de-friend India at the cost of Pakistan and secondly it does not totally alienate India. So therefore," he added.
Prime Minister Narendra Modi will meet President Xi tomorrow at the BRICS summit in Goa, which groups Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa.

Earlier, China's Vice Foreign Minister Li Baodong, defending his country's blocking of India's petition for a UN ban on Azhar, who heads the Jaish-e-Mohammed, said, "No one should pursue "political gains in the name of counter-terrorism."


India has blamed the Jaish-e-Mohammed for January's attack on the air force base in Pathankot and last month's terror strike on an army base in Uri in Kashmir, in which 19 soldiers were killed.

China has twice thwarted India's move for Azhar to be added by the United Nations Security Council to blacklisted groups that are linked to al Qaeda or ISIS. It also led a small group of countries in June that opposed India being made a member of the Nuclear Suppliers Group or NSG, which has 48 members who trade in civil nuclear technology. Both moves are seen as Beijing's extension of support to ally Pakistan.



In April, China was the sole among 15 member-countries of the Security Council to veto the ban on Azhar, which would stop him from travelling internationally and freeze his assets. Days before the veto or "technical hold" was to expire at the end of last month, China renewed it.
Last week, Vikas Swarup, the External Affairs Ministry spokesperson, said that India would ask China to reconsider its stand, seen as a significant extension of support to ally Pakistan.
About the NSG, China's Vice Foreign Minister said "These rules are not to be decided by China alone... we are ready to continue consultations with India to build consensus and we also hope India can go to other members of the NSG as well."

To prevent India's entry, China has said that the NSG's rules disallow a member who has not signed the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. India has said it will not surrender its national interest by signing the accord, but its track record of non-proliferation should entitle it to join the NSG. India was granted an NSG waiver in 2008 that allows it to engage in nuclear commerce, but deprives it of a vote in the organisation's decision making.


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Its china...but we can take that ..china is reconsidering its posturing towards pakistan...
As usual its a chinese forked tongue talk till things materalizes in real world

Forked tongue it is... china is playing a dangerous game. We have to make it taste it's own medicine (indifference to terrorism ).

I wish we developed our own assets in tibet region for long term purposes along with balouch brothers. Hitting them hard in cpec.

We should reverse the tables and make china beg for mercy.

If china can play nuclear Pakistan against India.

We Indians can play nuclear India with china ... pls train tibetians with weapons and ask them to settle back in China as assets.

 

[sorcerer]

Russian President Vladimir Putin Says India A 'Privileged Strategic Partner'
Moscow:
Highlights

1. Putin described India as Russia's especially privileged strategic partner
2. Russia has been traditionally the largest arms supplier to India
3. Vladimir Putin will be in Goa for the five-nation BRICS Summit

Russian President Vladimir Putin today said Russia remained the top supplier of advanced weapons and defence technology to its "privileged strategic partner" India and added that Moscow and other BRICS nations were determined to back New Delhi's anti-terror fight.

"Russia remains in the lead in terms of both direct supplies of most advanced weapons and military equipment and conducting joint researches with India as well as producing goods for military purposes. Our countries actively collaborate in the military technical field," Putin said in an exclusive interview to IANS and Sputnik news agencies.

He underlined India-Russia partnership in the development of BrahMos supersonic cruise missile and building of a new fifth generation fighter aircraft as "the successful joint projects".

The President, who will be in Goa for the five-nation BRICS Summit this weekend, said many of the Russian projects in India not only have commercial importance but also play a significant social and economic role for the economies of the two countries.

Such projects, he said, "harmoniously fit in the new Indian industrialisation programme", a reference to Prime Minister Narendra Modi's "Make in India" initiative.

"Russian companies see real prospects and high attractiveness of the Indian market," Putin said in response to questions jointly emailed by IANS and Russian Sputnik wire service.

Describing India as "Russia's especially privileged strategic partner," Putin said the cooperation between the two countries was "making good headway in all areas on the basis of strong traditions of friendship, trust and mutual respect".

The comments come amid a notion that India had made a strategic shift in its military diplomatic ties after a rapid rise in arms trade with the US and other Western nations.

Russia has been traditionally the largest arms supplier to India. But the ties have witnessed some strain, particularly over the cost overrun of some Russian projects, including the delivery of aircraft carrier Admiral Gorshkov.

India has also made its concerns known over Russia's decision to supply Pakistan with the Mi-35 attack helicopters and engines for the JF-17 - a lightweight single-engine multi-role combat aircraft developed jointly by China and Pakistan.

Russia recently also conducted a joint military drill with Pakistan, sparking strong opposition from India at a time New Delhi was seeking to isolate Islamabad on charges of sponsoring terrorism.

But Putin shared his views on terrorism unambiguously, saying the BRICS bloc was "determined" to cooperate in the fight against terrorism.

"For our five countries' leaders this meeting (in Goa) will be a good opportunity to harmonise our positions on key issues on the international agenda. We are determined to cooperate in the fight against terrorism, drug trafficking and corruption," Putin said.

Putin said BRICS, made up of Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa, would "also contribute to settling conflicts and ensuring international information security".

The two-day summit in Goa begins on Saturday. Prime Minister Narendra Modi is expected to hold a bilateral meeting with Putin on the sidelines.

PM Modi is likely to raise the issue of Pakistan-sponsored terrorism with the Russian president.

Questions to Putin were emailed before India's September 29 surgical strikes targeting terrorist launch pads in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir.

http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/russ...-india-a-privileged-strategic-partner-1473605

 

[sorcerer]

Can Afghanistan Offer ‘Other Indus’ Option To India Against Pakistan?

NEW DELHI: Can Afghanistan offer India the 'other Indus' in its strategic offensive against Pakistan? Both countries are actively exploring this via possible Chenab-like run-of-the-river projects on Afghanistan's eastern rivers. Of particular interest is river Kabul, senior officials, speaking off record, told ET.

This river has some features identical to River Chenab in Jammu & Kashmir, including similar recorded average flow of around 23 million acre-feet. Afghanistan desperately wants to tap irrigation and electricity potential of its eastern rivers, most of which flow untapped into Pakistan.

In retaliation to Uri attacks, India had upped the ante by giving the go-ahead to three run-of-the-river projects on river Chenab.When Afghan President Mohammed Ashraf Ghani visited India last month, officials said, he specifically raised the possibility of developing Afghanistan’s eastern river system.

In retaliation to Uri attacks, India had upped the ante by giving the go-ahead to three run-of-the-river projects on river Chenab. These had earlier been put on hold due to objections raised by Pakistan under the Indus Waters Treaty.

Pakistan, however, does not have any such treaty with Afghanistan. The rules governing flows of Afghanistan's eastern rivers, mainly Kabul, Kunnar and Chitral, into Pakistan are just some internationally accepted principles.

"By helping Afghanistan build some of these run-of-the-river projects, India will end up sending a very strong signal to Pakistan, which is already quite concerned over repeated Afghan requests to donors on this issue. So we need to examine the fallout closely," an official familiar with the issue told ET.

When Afghan President Mohammed Ashraf Ghani visited India last month, officials said, he specifically raised the possibility of developing Afghanistan's eastern river system while conveying gratitude on India completing the Salma dam project despite serious terror threats.

TALKS ON
The two sides are in touch on this subject, said officials, adding that quiet official-level deliberations and visits are underway to discuss specific projects. Ghani is slated to be back in India in December first week to inaugurate the Heart of Asia ministerial meet on Afghanistan in Amritsar. Prime Minister Narendra Modi too is expected there for the inaugural.

Afghanistan, officials said, has long made the argument that a proper irrigation system could transform the economy of some of its eastern provinces like Nangarhar, Pakhtia and Khost - currently hotbeds of terrorist activity. Improved agricultural prospects, according to Afghanistan's assessment, will incentivise people against terrorism, besides ending support to foreign terror groups.

The problem for Pakistan is that even though it's a lower riparian state, it has not exploited these water systems on its side of the Durand Line, another unsettled border. As a result, Pakistan may end up buying electricity from Afghanistan if it were to build these projects soon with the help of India and other international donors.

For India, the gains are many in terms of having a role in exploiting river systems entering Pakistan on its West and the East. But building these dams, officials said, will be fraught with risk. Indian engineers were constantly targeted by Pakistan-based terror groups in Salma as well as on the Zaranj-Delaram road. "These are issues we will have to look closely at as we examine this possibility," an official told ET.



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THis is very interesting!!! India checkmating river flow to pakistan from BOTH ENDS!!!!
pakistan will be a dry land

Wonderful strategy GoI!!!
Things should go well and pak will surrender all their provinces without firing a single shot!!
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[sorcerer]

PAYBACK TIME: India Snubs China, Clears Dalai Lama’s Visit To Arunachal Pradesh

It will now be China's turn to chafe at India. After being subjected to a series of snubs on membership of Nuclear Suppliers Group and proscribing Lashkar-a-Taiba Chief Masood Azhar, India has delivered a subtle blow to China that will rankle it a lot.

New Delhi has cleared a visit of Tibetan spiritual leader, the Dalai Lama, to Arunachal Pradesh in March next year. China has always bristled with rage at the Tibetan leader's visit to the northeastern state that Beijing claims is 'Southern Tibet' and, hence, the territory of China. This time, too, Beijing is bound to raise vociferous objections to the proposed visit of the Dalai Lama.

But, as in 2009 when New Delhi brushed aside China's objections to the Dalai Lama visiting Tawang in western Arunachal Pradesh by stating that the spiritual leader was free to visit any part of India, this time, too, India will disregard Beijing's protests.

China had even opposed former prime minister Manmohan Singh's visit to the frontier state in October 2009. In April this year, a remark by US consul general to Kolkata, Craig Hall, that the US was clear that Arunachal was an integral part of India, got China's goat. Beijing angrily objected to that remark.

India has given the go-ahead to Dalai Lama's visit when China is siding with Pakistan in the battle against terror. It shows New Delhi's readiness to play the Tibet card and that must surely rankle China.


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[Mikesingh]

Can Afghanistan Offer ‘Other Indus’ Option To India Against Pakistan?

NEW DELHI: Can Afghanistan offer India the 'other Indus' in its strategic offensive against Pakistan? Both countries are actively exploring this via possible Chenab-like run-of-the-river projects on Afghanistan's eastern rivers. Of particular interest is river Kabul, senior officials, speaking off record, told ET.

This river has some features identical to River Chenab in Jammu & Kashmir, including similar recorded average flow of around 23 million acre-feet. Afghanistan desperately wants to tap irrigation and electricity potential of its eastern rivers, most of which flow untapped into Pakistan.

In retaliation to Uri attacks, India had upped the ante by giving the go-ahead to three run-of-the-river projects on river Chenab.When Afghan President Mohammed Ashraf Ghani visited India last month, officials said, he specifically raised the possibility of developing Afghanistan’s eastern river system.

In retaliation to Uri attacks, India had upped the ante by giving the go-ahead to three run-of-the-river projects on river Chenab. These had earlier been put on hold due to objections raised by Pakistan under the Indus Waters Treaty.

Pakistan, however, does not have any such treaty with Afghanistan. The rules governing flows of Afghanistan's eastern rivers, mainly Kabul, Kunnar and Chitral, into Pakistan are just some internationally accepted principles.

"By helping Afghanistan build some of these run-of-the-river projects, India will end up sending a very strong signal to Pakistan, which is already quite concerned over repeated Afghan requests to donors on this issue. So we need to examine the fallout closely," an official familiar with the issue told ET.

When Afghan President Mohammed Ashraf Ghani visited India last month, officials said, he specifically raised the possibility of developing Afghanistan's eastern river system while conveying gratitude on India completing the Salma dam project despite serious terror threats.

TALKS ON
The two sides are in touch on this subject, said officials, adding that quiet official-level deliberations and visits are underway to discuss specific projects. Ghani is slated to be back in India in December first week to inaugurate the Heart of Asia ministerial meet on Afghanistan in Amritsar. Prime Minister Narendra Modi too is expected there for the inaugural.

Afghanistan, officials said, has long made the argument that a proper irrigation system could transform the economy of some of its eastern provinces like Nangarhar, Pakhtia and Khost - currently hotbeds of terrorist activity. Improved agricultural prospects, according to Afghanistan's assessment, will incentivise people against terrorism, besides ending support to foreign terror groups.

The problem for Pakistan is that even though it's a lower riparian state, it has not exploited these water systems on its side of the Durand Line, another unsettled border. As a result, Pakistan may end up buying electricity from Afghanistan if it were to build these projects soon with the help of India and other international donors.

For India, the gains are many in terms of having a role in exploiting river systems entering Pakistan on its West and the East. But building these dams, officials said, will be fraught with risk. Indian engineers were constantly targeted by Pakistan-based terror groups in Salma as well as on the Zaranj-Delaram road. "These are issues we will have to look closely at as we examine this possibility," an official told ET.



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------------------------------------------------
THis is very interesting!!! India checkmating river flow to pakistan from BOTH ENDS!!!!
pakistan will be a dry land

Wonderful strategy GoI!!!
Things should go well and pak will surrender all their provinces without firing a single shot!!
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The only problem is that these projects would take years to complete. However, the very issue of constructing these dams would have a salutary effect on the Porks.

In short, they know they're gonna get screwed!

 

[sorcerer]

The only problem is that these projects would take years to complete. However, the very issue of constructing these dams would have a salutary effect on the Porks.

In short, they know they're gonna get screwed!

Yeah..and during the course of the projects a lot of other options can be explored to tie down pakistan in parallel.


When you show some guts in real world..nations take notice and they will explore the options with you to settle the scores.

Being a soft power is good..but showing some real world confidence with muscles and diplomacy along with soft power is potent.
This is exactly how it should be done and the current GoI is doing it awesome!!

pak already knew they were gonna get screwed...but the current GoI gave it to the in REAL!!!

 

[Mikesingh]

India has given the go-ahead to Dalai Lama's visit when China is siding with Pakistan in the battle against terror. It shows New Delhi's readiness to play the Tibet card and that must surely rankle China.

To the Chinese.......

And that's a size 12 shoe!!

 

[Navnit Kundu]

Read something interesting on WIKIPEDIA, found this worth sharing:

If the BBC survey is to be believed then More Nigerians and Russians than Indians think positively about India .

Supporters of Israel on this forum must take notice . Germany is an interesting case.


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Not surprised about Germany having a strong anti-Indian sentiment. Every country which is the vassal state of the US has been infiltrated thoroughly by the democrats like sticking their hand up a sock puppet and controlling its policy. If you see online discussions or facebook groups from South Korea, you will find similar hostility against India. On top of that, Germany has a strong Protestant/Lutheran Christian influence (same group that has a sway in US democratic party)

Anyway, take a look at the kind of anti-Indian preaching that goes on in Germany :


Even Japan doesn't view us favorably, it's just that their people are reticent and do not open up about their political views easily but the negative undercurrent is visible where it matters, that is in government policies. If you see their attitude towards Indian nuclear weapons, or conventional weapons, or even Kashmir issue, they are far from our allies. I once saw a Japanese news panel debate where they excluded the entire state of J&K while showing the map of India (saw that on a youtube news, let me see if I can find it now).

 

[Screambowl]

and China gives B'desh loan of 24 Billion dollars to counter India's 2 Billion ...

China is showing money power in diplomacy. India is gone now...

babus tum bc file pe file laad te jao .... or mantrio tum bc aisi policies lao ki india phir ghareeb or ghulam ho jaye...

 

[Screambowl]

Had we have kept B'desh and few others as Indian territory we would not have such trouble....

 

[DingDong]

and China gives B'desh loan of 24 Billion dollars to counter India's 2 Billion ...

China is showing money power in diplomacy. India is gone now...

babus tum bc file pe file laad te jao .... or mantrio tum bc aisi policies lao ki india phir ghareeb or ghulam ho jaye...

Money is not everything in geopolitics. We don't need to match China's 24 billion USD, we have got cheaper options available to us.

 

[aditya10r]

Read something interesting on WIKIPEDIA, found this worth sharing:

If the BBC survey is to be believed then More Nigerians and Russians than Indians think positively about India .

Supporters of Israel on this forum must take notice . Germany is an interesting case.


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the israeli are supposed to hate us
we keep on vetoing against them and pass resolutions in parliament against them in our parlianments

But germans,i did not expect this.How can a country hate us more than pakistan????

 

[Bharat Ek Khoj]

Anyway, take a look at the kind of anti-Indian preaching that goes on in Germany :

This video is from 2013 when we were actually being ruled by a foreigner. Don't have time to watch entire video, but I'm not surprised.

If you see online discussions or facebook groups from South Korea, you will find similar hostility against India.

Can you provide some links.

 

[Screambowl]

Money is not everything in geopolitics. We don't need to match China's 24 billion USD, we have got cheaper options available to us.

I don't see any possibly successful diplomatic campaign against this. It's a check mate.

 

[IndianHawk]

I don't see any possibly successful diplomatic campaign against this. It's a check mate.

It's never check mate .
Bangladesh remains into our geographical lap. We need to find out ways how this money benefits us. We can connect with these projects. Better infrastructure in Bangladesh could benefit us if we can persuade Bangladesh to allow us transit.
We just need to warn them about Chinese subs docking. We can still provide cheaper alternatives for construction and machinery. We need to be innovative

 

[Nicky G]

and China gives B'desh loan of 24 Billion dollars to counter India's 2 Billion ...

China is showing money power in diplomacy. India is gone now...

babus tum bc file pe file laad te jao .... or mantrio tum bc aisi policies lao ki india phir ghareeb or ghulam ho jaye...

Chinese loan, BD would have been better off to avoid it.

Anyway, nothing unexpected. They tried that in SL too.

These games will continue. Countries will use what they can. If only mattered, the richest state would have always won. There is no substitute to geographical proximity for one.

Besides its always carrot and stick. We can create real trouble for BD if they step out of line, similar to Nepal. The Chinese failure was spectacular there.

 

[IndianHawk]

the israeli are supposed to hate us
we keep on vetoing against them and pass resolutions in parliament against them in our parlianments

But germans,i did not expect this.How can a country hate us more than pakistan????

Perhaps it has something to do with Hitler and his Aryan theory. German do hate themselves for it and they have little understanding or interest in actual India. So they must hate India on same lines.
Western world still cannot accept that swastika existed much before Hitler and it has nothing to with hate propaganda.

 

[Just telling Truth]

See, this is the strategy of our brother China to enfold you downright from all sides.

China giving $20 billion worth of aid given to Bangladesh. Needy Bangladesh needs tens of billions of dollars of investment in transport substructure and energy to boost its weakening economic affluences and create jobs for its 160 million people.

China investments in Sri lanka and China has tilled huge sums into Sri Lankan substructure projects, becoming the country's biggest foreign investor and enjoying significant political and even military influence. China's growing influence over recent years has also been a source of uneasiness for India.

Nepalis asking China both to build and invest in a number of major hydro power projects and power transmission lines, Nepal needs China's help if it is to develop and prosper and recent example is of China to invest in Nepal's hydro power sector.

Now, who is isolated?

 

[raheel besharam]

See, this is the strategy of our brother China to enfold you downright from all sides.

China giving $20 billion worth of aid given to Bangladesh. Needy Bangladesh needs tens of billions of dollars of investment in transport substructure and energy to boost its weakening economic affluences and create jobs for its 160 million people.

China investments in Sri lanka and China has tilled huge sums into Sri Lankan substructure projects, becoming the country's biggest foreign investor and enjoying significant political and even military influence. China's growing influence over recent years has also been a source of uneasiness for India.

Nepalis asking China both to build and invest in a number of major hydro power projects and power transmission lines, Nepal needs China's help if it is to develop and prosper and recent example is of China to invest in Nepal's hydro power sector.

Now, who is isolated?

Enjoy......... the breaking news