Five per cent ethanol to be mixed in petrol from December

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    NEW DELHI: Mandatory mixing of five per cent ethanol in petrol will be implemented across the country from next month, Cabinet Committee on Economic Affairs decided today, a step which will help the country save around 100 crore litres of fuel every year.

    In 2009, the CCEA had decided to mix five per cent ethanol in petrol but it could not be implemented due to opposition by some sections in the chemical and petroleum sectors.

    "The five per cent mandatory ethanol blending with petrol should be implemented across the country, for which the Petroleum Ministry will issue a gazette notification in a next few days, for oil companies to implement from 2012-13 sugar season, effective from December 1, 2012," an official release said.

    "The CCEA also decided that the price of bio-ethanol, to be mixed with petrol, would be decided by oil-marketing companies and its suppliers," it said.

    The ethanol-blending programme is presently being implemented in a total of 13 states with blending level of about two per cent against a mandatory target of 5 per cent.

    In the backdrop of reservations against the proposal that domestic suppliers would not be able to meet the supply requirements, the government has also allowed import of ethanol in case of shortfalls.

    The proposal moved by the Ministry of New and Renewable Energy is expected to help the country in cutting down the oil bill for 100 crore litres of petrol and also help in reducing carbon dioxide and carbon monoxide emissions by around 15 per cent.

    Ethanol is a by-product of sugarcane. States such as Uttar Pradesh and Maharashtra are the largest producers and can be developed as major suppliers of it, officials said.

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    Kitna dega? ;) as the ads ask.

    Will it assist a better KPL?
     
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    Hey - I thought this was already in place!! The plan was to increase it to 10%, as far as I heard!!
     
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    what will be the benefits of this ?
     
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    There are dozens of benefits. Ethanol is a renewable resource, it basically comes from agricultural produce. The more we switch to Ethanol, the less pressure there will be on non-renewable oil wells.

    It will reduce out import bill, make us self-sufficient in energy as time progresses. Read about Brazil's amazing turnaround from oil importer to net oil exporter, because of their massive push towards Ethanol.

    And did I mention, Ethanol is much cheaper than petrol, so any mixing will reduce the overall running costs. :)

    But this is surprising, I thought we were already mixing 5%. I think the article is wrong - we are moving from 5% to 10% now - that would make sense. Not from 0% to 5%! :dude:
     
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    Ok so basically it will be cheaper and we'll consume less of petrol than otherwise so import costs will also reduce.

    Can this be mixed with diesel also ?
     
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    Being cheap is not the issue.

    Engine efficiency is.

    Will it be efficient for engine power?

    LPG is also an alternative, but it makes the engine sluggish!

    One is aware of Brazil's move to ethanol.

    In fact, I believe Hitler was the one who got this idea going!
     
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    Nope. The octane rating, calorific value, etc. closely matches petrol. For diesel, we have "biofuel", which is a produced from Jathropha oilseeds (mainly).

    There are already cars that run on 100% Ethanol. Even better, there are cars that are "flex-fueled", meaning, they can run on arbitrary mixtures of petrol and ethanol. Upto 10% ethanol can be mixed with petrol and run on our existing engines in the cars on our roads. Beyond that, it will require special engines.

    Waiting for the day when we have 100% ethanol driven cars in India. :tea:
     
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    Ethanol a Massive Waste

    In 1944, Hitler's Schutzstaffel commandeered the entire European potato crop and turned it into ethanol to fuel V2 rockets. With their foreign oil sources interdicted by Allied advances, the Germans resorted to replacing imported oil supplies by converting civilian food stocks into ethanol.

    The Nazi terror weapon turned out to be a military disaster that consumed and diverted huge quantities of resources from the war effort while producing negligible impact on the outcome of World War II. Beyond the 7,500 civilian and military personnel who were killed outright by the weapon, however, untold thousands more civilians died of starvation and malnutrition in order to feed the vengeance weapon.

    To an extent, we are driving down much the same road with our current ethanol program in America but, at least for now, our potatoes are safe. Under the twin banners of reducing dependence on foreign oil and lowering the environmental impact of gasoline, our government chose to divert much of our corn supply into ethanol production. This in turn has driven up the cost of corn-based human and animal food products and, as the realities of supply and demand take hold, producing even more corn for ethanol is crowding out other food crops.

    Refined to only 95 percent purity and blended 10 percent up to 85 percent with gasoline, ethanol introduces water and other substances into the fuel supply and contains about a third less energy than the same amount of gasoline. For example, a Chevrolet Impala rated at 19 MPG city and 29 MPG highway using gasoline is reduced to 14 MPG city and 22 highway using E85.

    Even worse, ethanol does little, if anything, to extend our fuel supplies. The total energy we derive from corn ethanol is approximately equal to the amount of energy required to produce it. In the parlance of bookies, that's a push.

    Ethanol/gasoline blends have also proven unfriendly to many of the components in fuel systems, including those of older cars and motorcycles. From half-million dollar Packards to GTOs and E-type Jaguars, carefully preserved and restored classic vehicles nurtured by millions of hobbyists and enthusiast are particularly susceptible to the ravages of alcohol-laced gasoline and there are virtually no alternatives available at the neighborhood gas station. The effect is so severe that aircraft engines certified to operate on automotive gasoline continue to use more expensive, ethanol-free avgas to avoid disastrous fuel system degradation.

    Ethanol from corn is so uneconomical that Congress has to support it in a least three different ways - with a mandate for its use, a tax credit to subsidize it, and a tariff to keep out competitors. On top of that, oil companies get another 45 cents per gallon for blending it into the gasoline supplies. Rarely do so many mechanisms of government collude to prop up and force-feed us such a woeful product, and all at taxpayer expense.

    Even former ethanol champion Al Gore has changed his mind from insisting, "the more we can make this home-grown fuel a successful, widely used product, the better off our farmers and our environment will be."

    The former vice president and Nobel laureate now says, referring to ethanol, "It is not good policy to have these massive subsidies for first-generation ethanol," referring to corn-based ethanol. He called the fuel "a mistake," and confessed one reason he fell so hard for it is that he "had a certain fondness for the farmers in the state of Iowa."

    The ethanol industry now forms a massive federal program that may be good for farm states, but is terrible for taxpayers. More than a third of our record corn harvest of 335 million metric tons is diverted away from food and used to produce ethanol. In five years, fully 50 percent of the U.S. corn crop is expected to wind up in our gas tanks.

    Despite record deficits, Congress and the administration have wholeheartedly embraced corn ethanol and the tangle of subsidies, price supports, and tariffs that underpin the entire dubious enterprise of using corn to power our cars. New and existing initiatives are targeted toward tripling production to 36 billion gallons by 2022 while paying out billions more to subsidize producers into the 2030s.

    Meanwhile, with proven domestic reserves sufficient to carry us well into the 23rd century, the coal and oil industries continue to be vilified at every level while they produce most of the fuel and electricity in the country. Bypassing Congress, our government is using the Environmental Protection Agency to relentlessly savage them with insidious and extra-statutory regulations.

    It's clear that the EPA is less a watchdog for the environment and more an instrument of the "social justice" our current government has built itself upon. If the EPA were solely acting to protect the environment and the nation, corn ethanol would be treated as the scourge it is and not as an alternative to oil and coal.

    The ethanol bandwagon is anything but green. Congress and the administration need to reconsider whether they are throwing good money after bad. If the ethanol boondoggle illustrates anything, it is that thinking ecologically will require thinking much more logically, as well.

    If we are going to jump on any bandwagons, they need to be red, white and blue.

    Guest columnist Terry Wallace is a senior fellow at the Public

    Policy Foundation of West Virginia and a senior dellow at the

    Government Policy Research

    Center at West Liberty University. He is a native of Bellaire.

    Ethanol a Massive Waste - News, Sports, Jobs - The Intelligencer / Wheeling News-Register

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    As far as existing engines go, those that run on the roads, our standard Marutis, Hyundais, etc., will take upto 10% Ethanol mix without any degradation in performance. Beyond that, things go downhill.

    However, with a different kind of engines built for "flex-fuel", the vehicle can run on an arbitrary mix of Ethanol and Petrol without compromising performance.

    What we need is a push towards that!
     
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    Typical lobbyist type of article - these oil lobbies, really!! :rage:

    Of course you can't dump pure ethanol into a Maruti SX4 and expect it to run, for example. Upto 10% mix causes absolutely no ill-effects. Beyond that, there are special engines available.

    Wonder why he is so worried about "carefully preserved and restored classic vehicles nurtured by millions of hobbyists and enthusiast are particularly susceptible to the ravages of alcohol-laced gasoline" - should we care about such a small minority, really? :dude:

    And this: "The total energy we derive from corn ethanol is approximately equal to the amount of energy required to produce it." - yes, this has some truth to it. But that is how everything starts out. We need to make a massive enough push so that we have a pipeline and storage infrastructure for Ethanol and Biofuel, we are able to run trucks on Biofuels, etc. - eventually that is what we need to target. That is when Ethanol and biofuels will become really cost-effective.
     
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    All trucks in India should run on ethanol. Prices of everything will go down.
     
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    You mean biofuel/biodiesel. Trucks cannot run on Ethanol. :) Cars can run on Ethanol.

    And most importantly, a move to renewable fuels like this will cut off the funding to terrorists in the Gulf. :tea:
     
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    India as a country should also utilize solar energy, we get plenty of it. Our transport trucks should run on renewable sources of energy, this should be the "mudha" of every political party.

    A combination of solar/biofuel/ethanol would be productive for the country but none of it will happen because "oil" lobbies will block such moves.
     

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