Finally, Jagan quits, mother follows

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  1. abirbec04

    abirbec04 Regular Member

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    The inevitable has happened. Rebellious Congress MP from Kadapa Y S Jaganmohan Reddy on Monday resigned from his MP seat, expressing anguish over the Congress high command’s attempt to isolate him and split his family.

    Jagan is learnt to have faxed his letter to Lok Sabha Speaker and also party president Sonia Gandhi. His mother Y S Vijayalakshmi, who represents Pulivendula assembly constituency in Kadapa, is also believed to have resigned from her assembly membership. Both of them are also likely to quit the party post.

    The decision was taken in the wake of reports from New Delhi that the AICC disciplinary committee headed by A K Antony is going to meet in the evening to take action against Jaganmohan Reddy. The young MP expressed anguish over the way the high command successfully alienated his uncle Y S Vivekananda Reddy from Y S Rajasekhara Reddy family by offering him a berth in the Kiran Kumar Reddy cabinet. Besides, he also felt upset with the high command inviting Praja Rajyam Party to join the cabinet. He told his followers that the developments clearly indicated that the high command is planning to kick him out. So, it is better to resign than being shunted out, say sources close to Jagan.

    http://www.greatandhra.com/viewnews.php?id=25217&cat=15&scat=16
     
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    The AICC disciplinary committee is headed by A K Anthony ? Now, we know why this idiot can't concentrate on defense affairs.
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    A very dexterous move.

    That wily Pranab, the all purpose hatchet man, is at his game!

    None can beat him for what could be termed in a polite language - political manoeuvring!

    That should be a lesson to all these Johnny Come Latelys, who want to ride on their father's 'glory'.

    Jagan bacche is yet to learn the chicanery that was the byword for his father YSR!

    The fish and loaves of office is too tempting and filial loyalties are not material!

    Self Before Party!
     
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    Rajneeti movie in full flow."Le jayegi vidhwa sari seat."
     
  6. Iamanidiot

    Iamanidiot Elite Member Elite Member

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    Actually sir I think Pranab babu just wrote the cenotaph for congress in AP.Now jagan will aim for samaikhyandhra and will act as the saviour of masses for seemandhra folks.The congress will not be able to handle this.If telangana is given they are going to be booted out off 175 assembly seats and 25 lok sabha.
     
  7. Ray

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    The Bihar election has shaken the Congress Party.

    It has shaken the Dynasty more since Rahulbaba's magic spell in Bihar that they thought could be woven has turned out to be a cobweb of filigree fantasy.

    They are now wonder if even that siphai pizzazz and that unsahven look to vibe with the tribal in Odisha will work.

    They have to weave themselves a new image.

    This is but a starter.

    They want to show that they are clean under Mr Clean (MMS) and that they go hard against those who are corrupt and indisciplined! That they are a party that delivers and brooks no hanky panky.

    So be it.

    For all politicians, the the fishes and loaves of office is paramount. Most have no ideology or principles. Therefore, even if Jagan acts a martyr, it will only split the votes and there will be horse trading the next time around in the elections. A risk that can be taken since the coffers should be full with whatever has been going on in the last few months and years!

    Have you read the commentary on why Shourie was not made the lead debater of the BJP during the Budget?

    They are all the same!

    To placate the Telengana chaps, the Dy CM will be from that region!
     
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  8. Iamanidiot

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    Sir ,Politics in AP are different first and foremost no one voted to congress seeing Rahul gandhi or Sonia gandhi.We voted for congress because of YSR because he was tough and caring for the citizens of AP.

    2)No one in AP congress has the calibre to win elections
    3)If kammas and Reddies don't support Congress ,it will be decimated beyond anything(Reddiess consider late YSR as their icon)
    4)The congres never expected anything fron the Bihar election ,they only used it to finish Laloo
    5)The Gandhi charm stooped working in AP from Indhira Gandhis time itself
    6)Jagan may not be a winner but he will be a spoiler for AP Congress

    Now something of intrest to you latest information coming to me says it was known to most that Jagan would be quitting congress in Jan.

    The late YSR and his scion are not the norm but the exceptions in politicians sir (they are not the slimy variety).They have the typical warlord mentality of Rayalseema one they think you are their man they will support you through thin and thick and even if the devil is against you(They make good army officers sir in that aspect).
    ILL give you a good example during the 2009 elections YSR gave 25 crores to each MLA candidate as funds n and 100 crores for MPs who were contesting the elections.Where as in most parties you have to pay to the party to obtain a ticket.

    Don't underestimate Y.S Jagan sir he knows how to obtain and command peoples loyalty.This particular attribute of his and his late father's make them quite dangerous to the congress high command
     
  9. Ray

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    I am sure you are right since you are from the people.

    As an outsider (three tenures in Hyderabad - Secunderabad including YSR managed overthrow of the Congress PM in collusion with Owasi and the riots and a tour of the Naxal infested areas in the line of duty), I am aware of the Kammas and the Reddy equation, though not as much as you maybe.

    Politics thrive on divide and rule.

    Are the Kammas well disposed to the Rddys?

    Is the Rayalseema area in line with the Telegana supporters?

    What is the clout of Owassi and how much can he play as a catalyst to upset the electoral politics?

    Will Cheeranjeevi have any effect?

    Well, if all are made to fight amongst themselves, then it is a good environment for none to win and then let big money and horse trading take its place as it has done always in Indian politics. In fact, it does not have any stigma for these politicians of easy virtues!

    But you would be the best to answer since you are from there. My experience of AP is ancient.

    I am keen to see your analysis of AP politics of the future, including the skulduggery the nominated CM, Kiran Reddy (?) can conjure to ensure that the Congress continues to rule the roost.

    What is the influence of big money on AP politics and loyalties?

    I ask this since I believe Big money played its role through YSR in toppling the Congress Govt and organise the riots then.
     
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    Jagan and Mother should use the old Congress symbol - a Cow and a calf sucking the teat!

    What does Congress gain to finish Lalloo?

    They would have gained if the finished the JD (U) - BJP combine!

    In fact, they are very sad ãnd the Congress regrets more than the BJP, that Modi did not campaign in Bihar!
     
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    Simple sir.If Laloo as a political entity is finished Congress wil step into the political vaccum,that laloo and Paswan has created good strategy in the longterm.The party may get resurrected in Bihar.On the otherhand Laloo will be more amenable with respect to seat sharing from next election onwards.In a sense they showed Lalloo and Paswan.What the Congress is worth in this election
     
  12. Ray

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    With Yeddurappa, our man Jagan can also be sunk and if Sonia Gandhi unleashes the CBI, the YSR clan can well be in jail and they can forget politics.

    Laloo, Mulayam and Mayawati have been made domestic cats purring many a time, when the Congress required their support!

    Politics requires big money and that leaves a trail that can be resurrected as desired when desired!

    The people do not matter!

    So, it appears!
     
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    Sir ,What Iam telling you is my opinion and view.If you ask Raju garu he will be giving you a absolutely different opinion which may be diametrically opposite to mine.So take mine with a pinch of salt.

    Sir so you might have been in Hyd during 1990-94 then.If you are speaking about YSR booting out Kotla Vijaybhaskar Reddy

    Sir Kammas and Reddies do not exactly function as a traditional vote bank in the classical sense.They are the power behind and in front of the scenes in AP.They have extreme wealth,muscle and clout and most of them have good leadership.They don't exactly function like a caste but as a clan highly cohesive,brutal,ruthless ,versatile and cut throat.They excell in many fields and professions and not exactly have any caste profession.

    Yes,Sir Kamma's are well disposed to the reddies and both of them have healthy respect for each other clout nowadays.The movie Rakthacharitra shows you that.
    Problem is thanks to Telangana boogey both of them joined hands with each other.Both communities are masters of realpolitik and strategy.

    Rayalseema is more inline with coastal Andhra.The Telangana agitation unified them.

    Owaisi and most hyderabadi muslims are against Telangana.They have bitter memories of operation polo.Try to give you a PM

    Owaisi has huge clout in AP.He can shut hyderabad if he wants to and has more clout than KCR when it comes to doing nuisance.

    Chiranjeevi is a wild card in AP politics sir.

    Uncertainity is what I can say about AP politics.But Congress will not win in 2014
     
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    Owaisi clout doesn't go beyond the old city of Hyderabad where there is muslim majority and in that sense he is no body in AP politics.

    Jagan can be a big spoilsport for the Congress in Rayalaseema if not in Telangana and Andhra and that will work in favour of Telugu Desam Party (TDP) in the future elections.

    Congress will have very bad days in future elections. It will lose in Telangana if it doesn't give Telangana as promosed and it will lose in Andhra and Rayalaseema if it gives Telangana. YSR was the only politician in AP who could have sailed Congress through all these problems. His demise has only compounded the problems in Congress of the AP and is going in the direction of Congress parties fates in Tamilnadu, Maharastra, Bihar, UP etc
     
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    Thank you Jagan, you have just catalyzed Telangana statehood process.

    Even the slightest miscalculation from Congress (such as unhappy/disgruntled MLAs in portfolio distribution) could lead to Jagan sweeping away as many as 70 MLAs. The only way Congress can contain the damage is by creating Telangana state. Jagan has no interest in Hyderabad, he's already relocating his cartels and operations to Bangalore, with the support of his Reddy allies there.

    Rayalaseema has already erupted in protests in which Congress party offices are being destroyed. The party will definitely face obliteration in Rayalaseema, with some southern districts of Coastal Andhra.

    Owaisi can't do shyt outside Hyderabad old-city. Muslims are beginning to see how he's pawning away Waqf lands to real-estate developers.
     
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    The moment Kiran kumar Reddy was made CM, I expected that the move was to cut down Jagan. The whole game was that Jagan would not quit congress but still dissent the 'high command'. Cong 'high command' was not able to deal with this trick being played by Jagan. If they acted against Jagan, they though they would lose YSR sympathy vote, if they didnt act then Jagan was destroying the party with his cash that his father amassed by mining scams.
    Perhaps the party hoped that Rosiah(the erstwhile CM) would be able to rein in the young MP, Jagan. But he couldnt. Telagana was brought on to the stage by congress' stooge KCR to divide the support base of Jagan on regional lines. The original ploy succeeded but it open another pandora's box.

    So, Rosiah was ousted and Kiran kumar Reddy is made the CM. Kiran is from Rayalaseema region, the same region as that of YSR and his son Jagan. Kiran can bring back the Reddy supporters who were going towards Jagan. Kiran was also a YSR loyalist and hence will be able to winback the supporter base of YSR. In short, he will isolate Jagan in the party. Then, a telangana leader is being made a deputy CM according to the gentleman's agreement. I believe this move demonstrates that the cong does not want to break the only state where they can come to power independently.

    But the point I dont understand is why the Congress 'high command' does not want to give CMship to Jagan instead of doing all these excersises. Jagan is also a christian just like Sonia. In recent times, we have seen that both in AP and at national level, christians are favored to high posts. Therefore, from a layman's POV, sonia and jagan should be able to cooperate quite easily. I am not able to understand why they are being antagonistic to each other. I have slight doubt that all this 'enemity' may just be a drama.
     
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    I believe that giving away Telangana will blow Congress out in all areas. Once Telangana is given, a new plank has to be found to contain TDP in Telangana. There is ample chance that BJP can rise in Telangana. Why would congress risk it?

    Instead, it works in favour of congress if it allows the present condition of chaos to fester in regard to division of AP. TDP is on a sticky wicket as long as Telangana does not crystallise, because Congress can target it through KCR.
     
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    If Telengana becomes a State (a sword of Damocles), then new power equations will come!

    What will the the outcome of this, if it happens is what I hope some Andhraite can enlighten us.

    Also, please let us know how the 'rivalry', if any, between the Kammas and the Reddys will play out in AP Politics.

    As far as it is known, Money is a Power Broker in AP Politics. Even the biggest scamster of Indian IT, the Satayam Joe, played a very important role in AP Politics and YSR is known to have illegal and vast funding from all over the world including the Church money!

    So, what is the role of Big Money to buy loyalties?
     
  19. Ray

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    so, what is your recommendation for the Congress.

    Which is a better state to win, if Telegana comes into being to sort out Jagan Reddy and other power brokers and those who indulge in the politics of blackmail?

    What about the connection with the Bellary Brothers and changing of the inter state boundary pillar to suit the Bellary brothers in exchange of 'considerations'.
     
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    TDP is nearly out in Telangana. Sort of like RJD is in Jharkhand today. It's Naidu's wet dream that he will be able to participate in Telangana politics in the future. You can draw many parallels between Naidu and Lallu Prasad circa 2000, when his party was doing everything possible to prevent Jharkhand state formation. When Jharkhand seemed imminent, he claimed that he will be able to participate in Jharkhand's politics and it would only strengthen him. However, RJD is in tatters in Jharkhand. Same fate awaits TDP in Telangana.

    Congress certainly has many prospects in Telangana. It will be the party that creates Telangana, and it does have some very dynamic leaders who have struck a chord with the T-sentiment (I'm talking about people such as Madhusudan Yaskhi Goud, Keshav Rao, P. Govardhan Reddy, Damodar Reddy, etc.)

    That's the plan. If Congress was opposed to T-state, it would have gone into pacification mode, made a CM from Telangana (not Dy CM), given T-legislators plump posts, and then used JSKC to convince people that T-state isn't needed (by making JSKC pronounce its report right away).
     
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    My advice to Gandhis,

    create mass-leaders and dont rely on stooges to do the work.

    OR

    Become mass-leaders and dont try to fool public through media.
     

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