Fighting Corruption: Ramdev escorted out from delhi to dehradun

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    Fighting Corruption:Sea of saffron: Ramdev's supporters throng Maidan


    It was a sea of saffron at the historic Ramlila Maidan here this morning as a large number of supporters of Baba Ramdev started pouring in from across the country carrying flags and festoons to join the yoga guru's proposed indefinite hunger strike against corruption from Saturday.

    A huge 2.5 lakh square ft tent has been erected here for the demonstrators while tight security arrangements are in place for preventing any untoward incident.

    The Baba's followers, including a large number of women, were seen entering the site carrying their luggage. The organisers have put up state-wise counters for registering the supporters who are being provided identity cards.

    A battery of mediapersons are at the ground. Decorators were giving the finishing touches to the saffron-and-white pandals. It was saffron all around with flags and festoons aplenty and the bearded face of the Baba on every poster and banner put up at the site.

    Arrangements include tents over 2.5 lakh sq. m. and medical centre with ICU

    With yoga guru Baba Ramdev's “satyagrah” against corruption and black money due to begin this Saturday, the Ramlila Maidan here is gearing for the campaign in which a large number of people from across the country are expected to join.

    According to the Bharat Swabhiman Trust, which is organising the event, the arrangements in place for the event include setting up tents over the 2.5 lakh square metre area of the ground, 1,300 toilets, a separate reverse osmosis plant for providing drinking water, 7,800 water taps, 1,000 fans and 250 coolers. A team of 60 doctors will also be at hand. A medical centre with ICU facility and 40 beds is also being arranged. However, fire safety clearance is yet to be issued to the organisers.

    On Thursday, labourers were seen engaged in setting up tents and fixing flags and posters and participants, including volunteers from various organisations as well as ordinary citizens, were filling up forms at separate registration desks organised State-wise at the entry point.

    Drinking water

    Delhi unit head of the Bharat Swabhiman Trust Virender Singh said: “While participants, who have arrived from outside Delhi are at present housed in nearby guest houses, they will shift to the ground once the agitation kicks off on Saturday. Providing drinking water facility is a major concern in this hot weather, which is why, besides installing water taps, we have also arranged for four water tankers and will also be utilising the MCD water bore-well on the premises.”

    “Over 10 sub-committees have been formed to look into the arrangements. Contrary to what is being reported, no air-conditioned rooms or tents has been provided for Baba Ramdev or any celebrities or VVIP guests expected to attend the campaign. The Baba will be resting in a tent like all others,” he added.

    According to Mr. Singh, the schedule of events during the satyagrah include sandhya yagna, updesh pravachan and ashtang yog, which will continue non-stop from 5 a.m. to 8 p.m.

    Heavy security

    Strict security arrangements are being made at the site through deployment of police force and installation of CCTV cameras. Police officials confirmed that the present deployment of one company of Delhi Police personnel at the site would go up to 10 companies, comprising about 700 policemen, by Saturday.

    Bomb squad

    A senior police officer said: “Apart from police deployment, a watch would also be maintained over the nearby high-rise buildings, and an anti-sabotage and bomb squad would be present. A token system for securing baggage of participants would be followed to check theft. Searching, frisking and ground surveys through hand-held metal detectors are already taking place and would further intensify from Saturday.”

    1 lakh registrations

    “About 1 lakh people have registered so far and by Saturday the figure is expected to swell to 3 lakh, so accordingly we too have to step up our efforts,” he added.

    A missed call campaign and a Facebook page have also been dedicated to the cause by the organisers and supporters of Baba Ramdev's anti-corruption movement.

    “So far about 50 lakh people have extended their support to us through the missed call campaign, which started 10 days ago,” Mr. Singh added.
     
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  3. JBH22

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    Hope this work out this time too bad Congress is criticising this movement as a stunt show by Ramdev Baba and indeed if it was one no worry atleast someone got the guts to say it loud and clear...
     
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    I will end corruption and save the nation: Baba Ramdev

    Indicating the softening of his stand ahead of the crucial round of talks with the government, Baba Ramdev today said a consensus seems to be emerging on all issues barring one or two between the two sides.

    He also claimed that his agitation was neither "politically motivated or communal" nor he has any "underground agenda" as was being portrayed by some sections.

    "...Barring one or two issues, a consensus seems to be emerging between us and the government," said the yoga guru, who held his first round of talks with senior ministers including Pranab Mukherjee who met him at the airport after his arrival in Delhi on June 1.

    Addressing a gathering of more than 5000 people who to Delhi to join him in his satyagraha against corruption from tomorrow, Ramdev said his movement is being undertaken in "national interest" and is not sponsored by any political party.

    "Our agitation is not against any political party or individual. We are neutral, not being sponsored by any party or organisation and people from all castes and religion are joining us. We appeal to all parties to join us. We are erecting a special stage where representatives from all parties can come to put forth their point of view," he said.

    Flanked by leaders of various religions, he also tried to deflect criticism that he is crossing the tenets of yoga by taking up issue of corruption. "I am not crossing the limits of Yoga. Not lying and stealing is also part of yoga and I am trying to bring those who have crossed that limit back within the limit."
     
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    Yes its nothing but a bloody stunt by Ramdev. There is enough going against him for a spectacular rise from nothing to a varied estimate of 1100-15,000 crore worth.

    Ramdev's political aspirations are well known. He should state that clearly. No one is against raising their voices against corruption and black money, but the whole thing is so damn politicized with the BJP, RSS and the VHP pitching in. Either Ramdev is a front for the BJP or he is working independently but with a political agenda.
     
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    I doubt the same Yusuf. He's a front for someone. Lets witness the chaos never seen before.
     
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    The Hindu : News / National : What Baba Ramdev wants

    Yoga guru Baba Ramdev, who has threatened to field candidates in every Lok Sabha constituency in 2014, has stopped the Union government in its tracks with a set of demands, ranging from the serious to the bizarre.

    The demands of the jetsetting Baba — whose acolytes recently bought him a little Scottish island to open an ashram — include:

    — Tough Lokpal Bill, with a provision for death sentence for the corrupt, especially corrupt officials

    — Immediate return of all black money stashed away in tax havens abroad to the country

    — Declaring all wealth in foreign countries being held illegally by Indians as national property and charging those with such accounts under the sedition laws

    — Abolishing Rs.1,000 and Rs.500 currency notes

    — Disabling the operations of any bank which belongs to a country that is a tax haven

    — Replacing the British-inherited system of governance, administration, taxation, education, law and order with a swadeshi alternative

    — Reforming the electoral system to ensure that the Prime Minister is directly elected by people

    — Ensuring that all citizens declare annually their incomes

    — Bringing income-tax details under the Right to Information Act

    — Increasing substantially the Minimum Support Price of grains

    — Making wages of different categories of labourers uniform across the country

    — Revoking the Land Acquisition Act, as farmers should not be deprived of their land for industry

    — Promoting Hindi at the expense of English.
     
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    Lol Ejaz, either he is delusional in his demands or plain fooling around. Even if he dies while on his fast, such demands will not be met.
     
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    Let the attention seeker starve!!! Insane demands.
     
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    Death sentence should only be for rarest of rare cases, as this can be misused, believe me these things happen.

    I think baba should explain how the hell this private money can be returned, it is private unless you can prove it otherwise.

    lol.............baba has ashram in foreign country, i think good way to start is to give all the money he received from abroad to GOI.

    not possible since India is such a big economy.

    with international finance, not one bank is immune from this.

    where is the alternative ???

    he is out of his mind..............what if largest mandate was given to one and PM is of another, baba read the Constitution and Constitutional law from other countries.......... may be he has PM ambitions

    yeah this can be done................CA will get lot of work.....lol

    yeah practical.

    let the market decide these things.

    good idea

    then where the hell GOI or local state govt is going to get land for welfare and infrastructure projects ???

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    This sort of things start dividing our country



    I personally think that baba has other ambitions and he has been played at the hands of others, given the fact that baba enjoy support. My father had Yoga guru very simple man who spend all his life for Yoga. If i see my father's guru and baba i see no comparison.

    Lets wait and see what happen.
     
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    Saya ji, people declare their annual income every year.. what is the annual income tax returns for?
     
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    yusuf only 2% people of our country pay income tax(umber of tax payers: 20 million (2 % of the population) [BBC Jul 04], so if all the people file their annual income then this will increase the number of persons paying taxes.

    India economy & employment statistics | neoncarrot travelog

    so it will be good step.
     
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    Baba Ramdev addresses followers, asks government to bring back black money

    Indicating softening of his stand ahead of the crucial round of talks with the government, Baba Ramdev on Friday said a consensus seems to be emerging on all issues barring one or two between the two sides.

    Baba Ramdev, who has threatened to go on an indefinite hunger strike from Saturday seeking immediate action against graft, said the government should take urgent steps to bring back black money stashed in foreign banks.

    He also claimed that his agitation was neither "politically motivated or communal" nor he has any "underground agenda" as was being portrayed by some sections.

    "...Barring one or two issues, a consensus seems to be emerging between us and the government," said the yoga guru, who held his first round of talks with senior ministers including Pranab Mukherjee who met him at the IGI airport after his arrival in New Delhi on June 1.

    Addressing a gathering of more than 5000 people who crowded the Ramlila Ground to join him in his satyagraha against corruption from Saturday, Ramdev said his movement is being undertaken in "national interest" and is not sponsored by any political party.

    "Our agitation is not against any political party or individual. We are neutral, not being sponsored by any party or organisation and people from all castes and religion are joining us. We appeal to all parties to join us. We are erecting a special stage where representatives from all parties can come to put forth their point of view," he said.

    Flanked by leaders of various religions, he also tried to deflect criticism that he is crossing the tenets of Yoga by taking up issue of corruption. "I am not crossing the limits of Yoga. Not lying and stealing is also part of yoga and I am trying to bring those who have crossed that limit back within the limit."
     
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    Anna Hazare to cut short his Kerala trip to join Ramdev's fast


    Anna Hazare on Thursday tried very hard to explain there were no differences between him and Baba Ramdev over the corruption crusade. Speaking to reporters in his native Ralegaon Siddhi village, the social activist turned anti-corruption crusader claimed he was with Ramdev and would join him in his fast in Delhi on Sunday.

    Hazare will be cutting short his trip to Kochi in Kerala to join Ramdev on Sunday. However, he said he would not fast with Ramdev, but support him.

    Accusing the government of cheating civil right activists on the issue of Lokpal Bill, he said: "I support Ramdev. I'll talk to him so that he does not get influenced by government tactics.

    The government should not do what it did (with us) when we were fighting. We will fight together against corruption.

    Henceforth, we will not be content with oral assurances on the issue of weeding out corruption."Cautioning Ramdev that the government's attempts to mollify him are just a ruse to stop him from going ahead with the fast, the Gandhian added: "The government does what it wants.

    When we went on fast, the government conceded to all our demands. But now that we have sat for the Lok Pal Bill, the government is backing out." On the Congress-led government reaching out to Baba Ramdev to stop him from going on the fast, Hazare said: "They are going (to meet him) because they want to fool him. They are not doing it from the heart. If they were doing it from their heart, why didn't they support him earlier? He has been demanding this for so long." The Gandhian said that the government lacks intention to root out corruption from the system. Elaborating further, he said even the government's own watered-down version of the Bill had said the Prime Minister would be working under a Lok Pal.

    "But now they won't agree to it. We have been cheated. It is total fraud if the government agrees on certain things and backs out later," he added.

    Questioning why the government did not do anything on the black money issue till it was raised by Ramdev, Hazare said: " The government did not bother to do anything about the issue then.

    But the people have come to know about the real intentions of this government." While Hazare has gone out of his way to bat for Ramdev, there are certain issues that could create fissures between the two.

    One is the perceived support to Ramdev's stir by the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh.

    On Thursday, on being asked if he would accept any politician or political party that came out to in support of his corruption crusade, Anna said: "If anyone wants to join me, they would first have to remove the label of the party they are with. There is no place for politicians in our movement. "However, when asked what his stance would be if a political organisation associates itself with Ramdev's movement, the social activist said: "We are going to Delhi on Sunday and we would discuss it there."On the purported wealth of Ramdev that allegedly runs into hundreds of crores, Anna said if it was proved the wealth was black money, then "we would dissociate from Ramdev".
     
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    When 25% people are BPL and a majority of the rest just about have enough to sustain themselves, don't expect any increase in IT.

    Filing of IT returns is anyways compulsory. It's a case of compliance with existing laws. With a per capita of about $2000=90,000 rupees which is well below the exempted IT limit of 160,000 for men. So how many people will actually pay?
     
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    This movement is already compromised, it seems Government and Baba Ramdev have reached some sort of Agreement and the fast is cut short to only one day.
     
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    Better to just recover the loss incurred from the corrupt person (lokpal) than kill him. Imagine asking A.Raja/Kalmadi to pay those billions of $. That's no less than death sentence.
     
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    yusuf, if we leave 25 % who are BPL then you have 75% population. Agriculture income in India is not taxable, we need to change that. let say even if agriculture income is tax 2% of total income it will bring lot of revenue for public welfare.

    as per compulsory return filing is concern as per Section 139 of Income Tax Act
    Section 139 - Income Tax Act, 1961
     
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    ramdev is out to grab attention, which is what he loves the most, fame and to be in the limelight.

    tamasha is what is at display this time round. how could it be possible that ramdev got sidelined the last time round and anna hazare walked away with the success, it was certainly not scripted like that, certainly not in ramdev's book, back then he tried to hijack anna's crusade against the corruption but he was done away with soon enough and poor he had to leave all the media glare for others to fill up, oh the tragedy!

    then came the formation of the 5team from the civil society which was to put final touches to the LP bill but the attention seeking baba still couldnt find his way in, well another thing which was not as scripted in ramdev's book, but that was certainly not the end of it ............................ so the tamasha started and continues .....................

    GoI is wasting time and resources on this dramabaaz, dont the top ministers have better things to do than entertain this attention seeking baba.

    i certainly supported anna's crusade but certainly not this drama, ramdev is better off teaching yoga and breathing exercises to people and keep his and his political master's (the saffron brigade) political agenda aside.
     
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    Please see the video which was shot during the speech of BABA RAMDEV. Even MUSILMS joined him on the stage and everyone together told that it was not only people from one religion but people from all religions support this movement.
     
  21. look we need people like ramdev who have large fan following to take up the fight against corruption.government for the last 60 years have paid only lip service to these issues.the gandhi family and her associates have stashed away 1.4 trillion dollars as black money in swiss banks.this at a time when the daily income of 77% of our population is under rupees 20.so we cannot support ramdev's movement we should at least not criticise him.today i saw srk is giving press statement that he doesn't support ramdev as ramdev has a hidden agenda.one can always argue that what has he done so special to eliminate corruption other than earning crores of indian rupees and supporting pakistanis.some people also are arguing that ramdev is not a clean man, he has crores of unaccounted wealth.well the goverment of the day including the pm and sonia gandhi isn't clean either,every cabinet minister is involved in one scam or the other including the clean man mms.so i would definately want any people who supports ramdev's cause that corruption should be eliminated and black money should be brought back to india,to stay united rather than criticising ramdev.
     
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