Fearing recruitment, India restricts contacts with CIA

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    Fearing recruitment, India restricts contacts with CIA

    New Delhi, July 23 — Fearing that the CIA might use counter-terrorism meetings to recruit Indian intelligence operatives, New Delhi has restricted agency-to-agency contacts with Washington, says a new book.

    Scholar Prem Mahadevan says that unlike the 1970s when India was a virtual socialist state, the hunger for government jobs has fallen considerably since the Indian economy opened up in 1991.

    "Today, middle-ranking IB (Intelligence Bureau) and RAW (Research and Analysis Wing) officers are vulnerable to enticement by well-funded foreign intelligence agencies - a factor which has constrained counter-terrorism cooperation post 9/11."


    Mahadevan's book, "The Politics of Counterterrorism in India" (I.B. Tauris), says the fears are not altogether unfounded.

    It reveals that since 2001, there have been at least two cases of penetration of RAW by the American Central Intelligence Agency (CIA).

    "Also, at least nine RAW officers have gone abroad without leave since the agency's creation in 1968. Most defected while posted in Western Europe or North America, in pursuit of a more comfortable lifestyle.

    "Subsequent investigations revealed that they had been recruited by Western intelligence agencies prior to their defection and had functioned as agents in place for some time."

    The book says that particularly damaging was the defection of Sikander Lal Malik, a personal aide to RAW chief Rameshwar Nath Kao.

    "Malik defected during the 1970s while posted to the US and is alleged to have taken extremely sensitive information with him."

    Although Indian intelligence agencies have committed blunders, the book says, they are also responsible for some spectacular successes.

    Despite official sympathy for the Palestinian cause, the agencies prevented anti-Israeli attacks on Indian soil that became common in Europe in the 1970s.

    And in the years after the Iranian revolution of 1979, the IB and RAW together rounded up and deported dozens of Iranian and Iraqi terrorists intent on killing each other in India.

    The IB, it says, "deserves credit for its successes in neturalising the threat from foreign intelligence agencies".

    It says RAW once tapped the telephone of then Pakistan Prime Minister Zulfikar Ali Bhutto "but the agency could only hear his end of the conversation and had to guess what the other party was saying".

    The book, however, says infiltrating into jehadi networks has become nearly impossible because of the very low number of Muslims in the Indian intelligence.

    "The RAW does not have a single Muslim in its 10,000-strong manpower pool while the IB has a small number of Muslims.

    "These operatives did a sterling job of raising new informer networks in Jammu and Kashmir during the 1990s... Despite their performance, the IB and RAW remain averse to employing Muslims, preferring to invest in technical collection."

    Contrary to public knowledge, Indian intelligence agencies have faced budget cuts, the book says.

    The RAW budget was slashed by 10 percent when P.V. Narasimha Rao was prime minister, denying it two badly needed reconnaissance aircraft. Also during Rao's term, a further 20 percent cut hit intelligence operations.

    The book accuses then prime minister Morarji Desai of seriously damaging RAW because of his allergy to his predecessor Indira Gandhi, who founded the agency. Desai, it says, forced some of RAW's "most distinguished officers" into retirement, forced it to stop hiring new recruits, cut its strength by a third, and shut down its offices in Jaipur and Chandigarh.

    Because of Desai, RAW's agent networks inside Pakistan, including those in Pakistani Kashmir, were deactivated "and were never rebuilt".

    "During a conversation with the Pakistani president in 1978, he let slip that RAW had penetrated the Pakistani nuclear plant at Kahuta. The Indian agent on-site was identified and eliminated.":shocked:

    IANS
     
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    The less said in the thread the better.

    :tsk:
     
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    RAW does not have a single Muslim agent? Surprising. Is it a telling on what the agency thinks about hiring Muslims? BTW they call me RAW agent :D

    RAW was severely incapacitated when khichdi sarkars came to power. Morarji and Gujral screwed the agencies. Gujral I think did more damage when he was sweet talked into giving away all assets.

    These days only one giving credit to RAW are the Pakis.
     
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    Don't think it is possible to not have one muslim agent when our main enemies are jehadis and mujahidins.
    They are very much there, but the agency would not like everyone to know that they are there.
    Pretty sure that they've infiltrated many terror camps and groups too, then again, this is not something you shout out in public.
    The bottomline is, in the world of espionage, nothing is what they seem.
     
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    And for good reason maybe. But yeah, the article is depressing.
     
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    Pak ISI is much better due to its Army base and freedom of operation. Raw is dominated by IPS and IAS officers who are not cut out for espionage jobs. Espionage is a field work and not a desk work.
     
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    These things are deliberately misinformed. Otherwise it is not possible.
     
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    when people write books, they look to come out with some sensational inside info. Whether its true or not, coming out with a statement saying RAW does not have a single muslim operative is pretty damning
     
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    If one of the books is to be believed, Moraji Desai got so excited, that he called up Zia, and told him India knows very well about Pakistan's nuke program and the exact status, and the aim, well, just to prove a point to Zia.

    The muslim thing is difficult to believe, if RAW is still operating in Pakistan, B'desh, West Asia, parts of Africa, CAR, etc, they can just not be doing it without the involvement of the muslims.
     
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    Having muslim assets is different from muslim operatives on government paroll.
     
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    I understand.

    Though, if we can place diplomats and that too ambassadors with little or no knowledge of local language and something that gets done with something as prestigious as IFS, then RAW is pretty capable of what the author has said.

     
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    There was a 2006 special on the sikhs and muslims recruitment in intelligence institutions in Outlook. The main trigger was the apparent cancellation of hiring a Muslim officer in the aviation research wing of RAW. But again this was in 2006. IIRC, the article also mentioned that the "source" also said that it would be wrong to say that there are no muslim officers in RAW but right to say that there are scarcely any.

    Almost every RAW director from AS Dulat onwards have been expressing the necessity to have Muslim officers to because of the massive interests that we have not only Muslim countries of South Asia, but also SE Asia, Central Asia and West Asia. The IB has had some success in J&K and other areas with the help of Indian officers so I think it would be only a matter of time that RAW and NTRO would try to replicate this success.

    But again, just like with everything, our recruitment needs to be more open minded and look for subject area specialist. Is it not surprising that the US, despite having 2-3% Muslim population has some of the best humint assets and is able to recruit Arabic and Pashtu language specialists from its naturalized American population.? Iraqi Americans were recruited as language and intelligence specialists to help the US army in Iraq. This is one thing that the Americans are good at that they have a culture of inculcating responsibility and reward to directly recruit naturalized citizens or even assets in foreign countries.

    Even basic language training like reading and writing Urdu for the local police force is lacking and this is something that is not religion specific. If you are posted in muslim areas in north India or Hyderabad, it should be compulsory to have at least some police officers who are well versed in reading and writing Urdu so that they know what is happening around them. Similarly, if an intelligence officer is posted in C.Asia, you would expect him or her to be well versed in Russian and if in Arab countries then well versed with Arabic and so on. All of this needs a big improvement.
     
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    The advantage the US has in getting humint is because its been the land of dreams for many. I mean people from world over migrate to the US and gives it a whole big group of people it can recruit for specific ops. Rest have to learn the language which again will be difficult as not many schools have foreign languages being taught.

    We dont have to look further than our own selves. We never look beyond our mother tongue and english and learn other languages of India.

    India does not have many chinese speaking experts and China is our biggest enemy!
     
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    May be you are one. Field officers inside India usually live close to their office, unlike those who do the desk job. Most of the time residence and office lies in the same building, so that they can keep close watch over one another. Assets on the field are not necessarily staff, but are on fat pay-roll based on their grading, and many of them are Muslims. There are no agents, They are called "Central Intelligence Officer", again there are levels.

    I will have to see if you fit in the profile.
     
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    NO one except perhaps the PM has any knowledge on the faith and background of our operatives abroad and hence the assertion in the book can safely be declared as a sensationalist.
     
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    Morarji Desai did far more damage than anyone. Hearing late K Subrahmanyam talk on Desai left me a horrible picture of how insensitivity of a single person can deteriorate, pollute & endanger an immensely influential organization.


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    I well could fit in.

    Actually, when I was in school and looking towards a career, air force was what was on my mind. Those plans never materialized and then I thought about intel. Unlike western nations who go to the extent of advertising for recruitment into intel agencies, india is very closed. IPS etc. I mean there may be very talented and willing people out there to be in intel services but not able to.
     
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    You are wrong, R&AW has got it's own cadre and both RAW/IB recruit directly, if you are a graduate then you are eligible. Pay is good, working condition is better than Police and if you are a performer, promotion is really good. I think you did not explore much.
     
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    I am still willing. Any RAW guy watching ??
     
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