Falling Rupee: Implications

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Since when is the rupee on the Gold Standard?
Never. It is meant to be on Silver standard. Rupee is derived from silver.
 

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Never. It is meant to be on Silver standard. Rupee is derived from silver.
Okay, so when is rupee tied to Silver standard?
 

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My tense is correct.
No.

Your insinuation that a faith and credit currency like the rupee is dependent on gold or silver reserves would only apply if it was on a precious metal standard.
And again no.

There is no insinuation. This is a direct statement. Fiat Currency is Fake Currency. You either have faith in Fake Currency, or you don't. It has got nothing to do with what applies and what not (I have not the remotest idea of what you are trying to convey there).
 

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No.


And again no.

There is no insinuation. This is a direct statement. Fiat Currency is Fake Currency. You either have faith in Fake Currency, or you don't. It has got nothing to do with what applies and what not (I have not the remotest idea of what you are trying to convey there).
Yes and again yes.

Your original statement...

Long story short - when you print more money, you must add more gold and silver into the reserves, and if that is not done, the currency inflates.
This is not true. No fiat currency value is dependent on the precious metal reserves of a currency issuer. That is the fact I am conveying here.
 

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This is not true. No fiat currency value is dependent on the precious metal reserves of a currency issuer. That is the fact I am conveying here.
As per my understanding, one needs to own gold/silver bars for issuing additional currency.....is that not so anymore ? I am confused now.
 

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As per my understanding, one needs to own gold/silver bars for issuing additional currency.....is that not so anymore ? I am confused now.
It hasn't been that way since currencies were taken off the gold/silver standard.
 

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That's an ephemeral benefit. Contracts are likely to be re-negotiated.

For NRI's though, it is definitely party time :lol: isn't it..
Not if you're planning to sell property to take money abroad...
 

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Not if you're planning to sell property to take money abroad...
Why would any right minded person sell land in India ? Its the most secure investment one can make.
 

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Yes and again yes.

Your original statement...



This is not true. No fiat currency value is dependent on the precious metal reserves of a currency issuer. That is the fact I am conveying here.
My original statement is correct. You need not convey any facts. All are known and well discussed here in DFI. You claim that fiat currency is not dependent on precious metals. I hear you bud. Do look up "Fractional Reserve Banking," and come back and explain to us what you understood.

You cannot convince me, and I would invite you to try and convince @panduranghari. Instead of claiming to "convey facts," explain (What to explain? See above).

As per my understanding, one needs to own gold/silver bars for issuing additional currency.....is that not so anymore ? I am confused now.
Yes.

When the currency issuer prints a currency note, it is called a promissory note, i.e. it promises "to pay the bearer" the sum printed on that note. There was a time when you could exchange that note for equivalent amount of silver or gold. It is no longer true for most currencies, thanks to the legalization of sophisticated debauchery called "Modern Money Mechanics."
 
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My original statement is correct. You need not convey any facts. All are known and well discussed here in DFI. You claim that fiat currency is not dependent on precious metals. I hear you bud. Do look up "Fractional Reserve Banking," and come back and explain to us what you understood.
Your statement is incorrect. Apparently i need convey facts since you think precious metals effect fiat currency. Do look up Fractional Reserve Banking, gold and silver has nothing to do with it. :laugh:

You cannot convince me, and I would invite you to try and convince @panduranghari. Instead of claiming to "convey facts," explain (What to explain? See above).
I don't have to convince you, a fact is a fact.
 
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Your statement is incorrect.
No.

Apparently i need convey facts since you think precious metals effect fiat currency. Do look up Fractional Reserve Banking, gold and silver has nothing to do with it. :laugh:
No.

I don't have to convince you, a fact is a fact.
You are usually confident, which is a good thing, but what is worrisome is you are overwhelmingly confident when you are wrong.

I recommend you read this thread, and try to understand, instead of arguing about something you don't quite understand.
Link: http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/...why-mainstream-views-different-reality-9.html
 

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Got a thought that might not be relevant to the Indian economy but to our neighbour. But its related to the current rupee exchange rate. Say we print money (literally) and distribute it unoffically into the system what would happen. Say I have a machine at home (the government knows but wont tell anyone) and it prints 1000 rupee notes (legit not fake) and i print say 100 crores and give it to some state enterprises (I repeat this every week) and it end up eventually in the banking system. What would happen. They have cash in the bank but what would happen if that continues. Is it wrong. The employees get paid but where is the money coming from. It's from a machine. Can someone with a sharp economist mind help me understand what the problem is with this.
 

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Got a thought that might not be relevant to the Indian economy but to our neighbour. But its related to the current rupee exchange rate. Say we print money (literally) and distribute it unoffically into the system what would happen. Say I have a machine at home (the government knows but wont tell anyone) and it prints 1000 rupee notes (legit not fake) and i print say 100 crores and give it to some state enterprises (I repeat this every week) and it end up eventually in the banking system. What would happen. They have cash in the bank but what would happen if that continues. Is it wrong. The employees get paid but where is the money coming from. It's from a machine. Can someone with a sharp economist mind help me understand what the problem is with this.
increasing the amount of cash will devalue the currency overall, since supply goes up but demand remains the same.

the productivity in the economy does not go up, it is unchanged. the only change is that there is now extra supply of the currency, which devalues the currency overall.
 

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increasing the amount of cash will devalue the currency overall, since supply goes up but demand remains the same.

the productivity in the economy does not go up, it is unchanged. the only change is that there is now extra supply of the currency, which devalues the currency overall.
If the currency was tied to a specific concrete quantity such as labour (not gold), then the mechanism may work. The more work that is done, the more money should be distributed and during periods of low productivity, the money will automatically end up back in the banking system.

For this to work though, the currency cannot be freely convertible, otherwise the demand and supply will be difficult to control. The only trade possible in such a scenario would be a form of barter where one form of goods, for example rice, is exchanged for another, for example oil. India already conducts such trade with Iran.

This financial wizardry was implemented in Nazi Germany, which saw the country being transformed from a basketcase in 1933 to Europe's strongest economy by 1938.
 

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Web of Debt - Thinking Outside The Box: How A Bankrupt Germany Solved Its Infrastructure Problems

"We were not foolish enough to try to make a currency [backed by] gold of which we had none, but for every mark that was issued we required the equivalent of a mark's worth of work done or goods produced. . . .we laugh at the time our national financiers held the view that the value of a currency is regulated by the gold and securities lying in the vaults of a state bank."

- Adolf Hitler, quoted in "Hitler's Monetary System," rense.com, citing C. C. Veith, Citadels of
Chaos (Meador, 1949)

Guernsey wasn't the only government to solve its infrastructure problems by issuing its own money. (See E. Brown, "Waking Up on a Minnesota Bridge," Web of Debt - Dollar Deception: How Banks Secretly Create Money, August 4, 2007.) A more notorious model is found in post-World War I Germany. When Hitler came to power, the country was completely, hopelessly broke. The Treaty of Versailles had imposed crushing reparations payments on the German people, who were expected to reimburse the costs of the war for all participants — costs totaling three times the value of all the property in the country. Speculation in the German mark had caused it to plummet, precipitating one of the worst runaway inflations in modern times. At its peak, a wheelbarrow full of 100 billion-mark banknotes could not buy a loaf of bread. The national treasury was empty, and huge numbers of homes and farms had been lost to the banks and speculators. People were living in hovels and starving. Nothing quite like it had ever happened before - the total destruction of the national currency, wiping out people's savings, their businesses, and the economy generally. Making matters worse, at the end of the decade global depression hit. Germany had no choice but to succumb to debt slavery to international lenders.

Or so it seemed. Hitler and the National Socialists, who came to power in 1933, thwarted the international banking cartel by issuing their own money. In this they took their cue from Abraham Lincoln, who funded the American Civil War with government-issued paper money called "Greenbacks." Hitler began his national credit program by devising a plan of public works. Projects earmarked for funding included flood control, repair of public buildings and private residences, and construction of new buildings, roads, bridges, canals, and port facilities. The projected cost of the various programs was fixed at one billion units of the national currency. One billion non-inflationary bills of exchange, called Labor Treasury Certificates, were then issued against this cost. Millions of people were put to work on these projects, and the workers were paid with the Treasury Certificates. This government-issued money wasn't backed by gold, but it was backed by something of real value. It was essentially a receipt for labor and materials delivered to the government. Hitler said, "for every mark that was issued we required the equivalent of a mark's worth of work done or goods produced." The workers then spent the Certificates on other goods and services, creating more jobs for more people.

Within two years, the unemployment problem had been solved and the country was back on its feet. It had a solid, stable currency, no debt, and no inflation, at a time when millions of people in the United States and other Western countries were still out of work and living on welfare. Germany even managed to restore foreign trade, although it was denied foreign credit and was faced with an economic boycott abroad. It did this by using a barter system: equipment and commodities were exchanged directly with other countries, circumventing the international banks. This system of direct exchange occurred without debt and without trade deficits. Germany's economic experiment, like Lincoln's, was short-lived; but it left some lasting monuments to its success, including the famous Autobahn, the world's first extensive superhighway.1
Quite interesting, especially the part about barter trade. Venezuela does the same thing today when it trades oil for other goods/commodities.
 

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