Failed Terrorist State of Pakistan: Idiotic Musings
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Copied from post by Lt Gen retd Tariq Khan on WhatsApp:
The Indians keep talking of having got hold of damning evidence in the Dinanagar Case. Let's examine it and I do not think our intelligence needs me to defend them. First, it is obvious that it is not in Pakistan's interest to escalate matters now but it is in India's interest to create some sort of a confusion for the following reasons:
1. Pakistan is about to take the India to the cleaners in the Baluchistan matter in the Security Council.
2. Apparently some progress was being made in the Afghan reconciliation which at its conclusion is not likely to allow an Indian role in Afghanistan.
3. The CPEC and it's effects.
4. The uprising of the Sikhs in Punjab.
5. The MQM factor and stabilisation of Karachi.
These are some of the major points to consider whereas more can also be proffered. Some questions for the Indians to consider:
1. Claiming they have irrefutable GPS data seems to look as if these jokers have seen a GPS for the first time. Data can be added and the GPS could also be planted, which in this case is probable. After all, they are so smart and we so foolish that we infiltrate into enemy territory with a sign posted to say, 'I am from Pakistan' and of all people they discover it.
2. How did these infiltrators cross the River Ravi when it's in full flood, spanning 1000 meters with a massive discharge of water?
3. If the fence is so ineffective why spend so much on it. It maybe preferable to spend it on the thousands starving in the nude on Delhi's streets
This brings me to the threats: I think we have heard enough from these bastards, they should put their money where their mouth is; ' come and get it', we have never threatened them, so what's stopping this declared terrorist who is their PM to come and get his backside massaged from us.
As for Kashmir, it shall never be their's and the matter will be resolved. To the Indians I would say it's a question of time. Our own weaknesses and internal bickering has delayed the matter; when we are ready I can promise you we shall come to get what's ours. Hopefully you will not have to wait too long.
Leaving aside the war that they won by supporting a separatist movement in EastPakistan, they, who are 8 times are size have nothing to brag about. In 1948 we got most of our Kashmir by the Pushtuns alone, in '65 we got the rest of what we have through Gen Akhtar Malik's offensive. Have they forgotten Ran of Kutch? Sialkot was the largest tank battle after world war two and they got thrashed; must have been the largest thrashing in military history by that equation and that too by one regiment alone, 25 Cavalry? ???
Do they remember M. M Alam, in case they need a reference they need to look at the Guinness book of records, a Pakistani fighter pilot who took out 5 Indian hijras in one engagement. So, yes, I for one would welcome an Indian adventure, haven't been to India and would love to see the monuments attributed to our forefathers in Delhi and Agra etc.
The other issue is of the waters that the Indians are trying to choke off. Well I would welcome any investment in dams and other such projects. We have never been good at these but since we are likely to inherit these structures I would request that we should closely supervise them for good quality and not cutting edges here and there.
Last of all; every dog has his day and we will come for you Indians. You will have to destroy us if you do not want that to happen.
We are not an ordinary Army, we have our moments of glory too. We moved 3.5 million people out of Swat and relocated them. Cleared the Valley of militants in 3 months and moved the people back to their homes. Unprecedented in military history and the closest to this was the international community trying to move 3 million Afghan refugees back to Afghanistan and failing even after 30 years. We are the Army that has cleared 3500 kms of road in the conflict zone and control our lines of communications unlike the Coalition of 35 countries, hunkered down in static garrisons, whimpering, frightened and awaiting relief every six months while they paid the Taliban goodwill money not to attack them. They, the conquerors of Afghanistan have now run with their tail between their legs while we are here to stay. What of the Cambrian Patrol where our Army was pitched against the best, UK, USA, Russia, Canada, South Africa, Australia, Germany, Italy and you, India. We stood first in the world. No we are not an ordinary Army and rue the day when you the Indians have to face us again.
I would request for maximum sharing. Some may think I am India centric, well yes I am and proud of it. I have considered them to be my enemy for 35 years and was paid to do so. I have no other way of looking at it. I am neither a politician or a diplomat and thus am liberated from the pseudo intellectual debate of 'how it would benefit both of us to improve relations'. This is an enemy state and this ambiguity mustbe addressed, we work against each other'sinterests and who ever does it better, wins. QED.
Copied from post by Lt Gen retd Tariq Khan on WhatsApp:
The Indians keep talking of having got hold of damning evidence in the Dinanagar Case. Let's examine it and I do not think our intelligence needs me to defend them. First, it is obvious that it is not in Pakistan's interest to escalate matters now but it is in India's interest to create some sort of a confusion for the following reasons:
1. Pakistan is about to take the India to the cleaners in the Baluchistan matter in the Security Council.
2. Apparently some progress was being made in the Afghan reconciliation which at its conclusion is not likely to allow an Indian role in Afghanistan.
3. The CPEC and it's effects.
4. The uprising of the Sikhs in Punjab.
5. The MQM factor and stabilisation of Karachi.
These are some of the major points to consider whereas more can also be proffered. Some questions for the Indians to consider:
1. Claiming they have irrefutable GPS data seems to look as if these jokers have seen a GPS for the first time. Data can be added and the GPS could also be planted, which in this case is probable. After all, they are so smart and we so foolish that we infiltrate into enemy territory with a sign posted to say, 'I am from Pakistan' and of all people they discover it.
2. How did these infiltrators cross the River Ravi when it's in full flood, spanning 1000 meters with a massive discharge of water?
3. If the fence is so ineffective why spend so much on it. It maybe preferable to spend it on the thousands starving in the nude on Delhi's streets
This brings me to the threats: I think we have heard enough from these bastards, they should put their money where their mouth is; ' come and get it', we have never threatened them, so what's stopping this declared terrorist who is their PM to come and get his backside massaged from us.
As for Kashmir, it shall never be their's and the matter will be resolved. To the Indians I would say it's a question of time. Our own weaknesses and internal bickering has delayed the matter; when we are ready I can promise you we shall come to get what's ours. Hopefully you will not have to wait too long.
Leaving aside the war that they won by supporting a separatist movement in EastPakistan, they, who are 8 times are size have nothing to brag about. In 1948 we got most of our Kashmir by the Pushtuns alone, in '65 we got the rest of what we have through Gen Akhtar Malik's offensive. Have they forgotten Ran of Kutch? Sialkot was the largest tank battle after world war two and they got thrashed; must have been the largest thrashing in military history by that equation and that too by one regiment alone, 25 Cavalry? ???
Do they remember M. M Alam, in case they need a reference they need to look at the Guinness book of records, a Pakistani fighter pilot who took out 5 Indian hijras in one engagement. So, yes, I for one would welcome an Indian adventure, haven't been to India and would love to see the monuments attributed to our forefathers in Delhi and Agra etc.
The other issue is of the waters that the Indians are trying to choke off. Well I would welcome any investment in dams and other such projects. We have never been good at these but since we are likely to inherit these structures I would request that we should closely supervise them for good quality and not cutting edges here and there.
Last of all; every dog has his day and we will come for you Indians. You will have to destroy us if you do not want that to happen.
We are not an ordinary Army, we have our moments of glory too. We moved 3.5 million people out of Swat and relocated them. Cleared the Valley of militants in 3 months and moved the people back to their homes. Unprecedented in military history and the closest to this was the international community trying to move 3 million Afghan refugees back to Afghanistan and failing even after 30 years. We are the Army that has cleared 3500 kms of road in the conflict zone and control our lines of communications unlike the Coalition of 35 countries, hunkered down in static garrisons, whimpering, frightened and awaiting relief every six months while they paid the Taliban goodwill money not to attack them. They, the conquerors of Afghanistan have now run with their tail between their legs while we are here to stay. What of the Cambrian Patrol where our Army was pitched against the best, UK, USA, Russia, Canada, South Africa, Australia, Germany, Italy and you, India. We stood first in the world. No we are not an ordinary Army and rue the day when you the Indians have to face us again.
I would request for maximum sharing. Some may think I am India centric, well yes I am and proud of it. I have considered them to be my enemy for 35 years and was paid to do so. I have no other way of looking at it. I am neither a politician or a diplomat and thus am liberated from the pseudo intellectual debate of 'how it would benefit both of us to improve relations'. This is an enemy state and this ambiguity mustbe addressed, we work against each other'sinterests and who ever does it better, wins. QED.
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and here you go ... truth is out
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shukriya janaab!
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Let me blow myself, my 72 virgins are waiting for me in heaven: Pakistani suicide bomber
New Delhi: An arrested Pakistani suicide bomber said that he will blew himself because 72 virgins are waiting for him in heaven.
Interestingly, militant groups like ISIS also quote Islamic scriptures to point out that a suicide bomber will get 72 virgins in heaven.
The suicide bomber said that he will carry out the blast even if he founds his family members in the crowd.
According to him, a man who is a jihadi is true follower of Islam whereas others are not.
The suicide bomber, who is now under arrest in Pakistan, said that 72 virgins are waiting for him and there is no logic in marrying only one here.
Given below are the excerpts of his interview:
Q. Will you take revenge from all?
A. Yes, I will - as much as I can, even if it includes my family. If I go out for suicide bombing and I see my family there, even then I will blow myself
Q. In suicide bombing innocent Muslims and even those who hate America are killed.
A. No. Those who are not taking part in Jihad are not innocent. Only those are innocent who are taking part in the Jihad in Miranshah etc. We have no repentance, no sorrow for killing. If our leader orders us to kill two people and hundreds are killed in this process even then we will do.
Q. How many brothers and sisters you have?
A. 9, including me.
Q. Your family supports you for this? Do they (family) know about you?
A. They tried to stop me but I don't care.
Q. Are you married?
A. No
Q. Do you wish to marry?
A. No, 72 virgins are waiting for me in heaven - so why I should prefer only one here?
Q. Are virgins waiting for those as well who are killed at your hands?
A. No. They will be treated there (hereafter) as per their intentions. If they support government, then they will be answerable accordingly. Our leader has told us that you will not be responsible for the killing of those who are killed other than your target.
No one in Pakistan is innocent. Whoever is outside Waziristan is not innocent, they will be innocent if they go and support Taliban (in their fighting).
New Delhi: An arrested Pakistani suicide bomber said that he will blew himself because 72 virgins are waiting for him in heaven.
Interestingly, militant groups like ISIS also quote Islamic scriptures to point out that a suicide bomber will get 72 virgins in heaven.
The suicide bomber said that he will carry out the blast even if he founds his family members in the crowd.
According to him, a man who is a jihadi is true follower of Islam whereas others are not.
The suicide bomber, who is now under arrest in Pakistan, said that 72 virgins are waiting for him and there is no logic in marrying only one here.
Given below are the excerpts of his interview:
Q. Will you take revenge from all?
A. Yes, I will - as much as I can, even if it includes my family. If I go out for suicide bombing and I see my family there, even then I will blow myself
Q. In suicide bombing innocent Muslims and even those who hate America are killed.
A. No. Those who are not taking part in Jihad are not innocent. Only those are innocent who are taking part in the Jihad in Miranshah etc. We have no repentance, no sorrow for killing. If our leader orders us to kill two people and hundreds are killed in this process even then we will do.
Q. How many brothers and sisters you have?
A. 9, including me.
Q. Your family supports you for this? Do they (family) know about you?
A. They tried to stop me but I don't care.
Q. Are you married?
A. No
Q. Do you wish to marry?
A. No, 72 virgins are waiting for me in heaven - so why I should prefer only one here?
Q. Are virgins waiting for those as well who are killed at your hands?
A. No. They will be treated there (hereafter) as per their intentions. If they support government, then they will be answerable accordingly. Our leader has told us that you will not be responsible for the killing of those who are killed other than your target.
No one in Pakistan is innocent. Whoever is outside Waziristan is not innocent, they will be innocent if they go and support Taliban (in their fighting).
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India should be ashamed of Mohajir’s bloodshed in Pakistan: MQM leader Altaf Hussain
Dallas: Pakistan’s Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM) leader Altaf Hussain has said that India should be ashamed for allowing bloodshed of Mohajirs in Pakistan.
According to a report published in Pakistani daily The News, Altaf said, India itself is a coward country, if it had some honor it would not have allowed 'bloodshed of Mohajirs' on Pakistani soil.
He accused Pakistan’s paramilitary force of taking more than Rs1 billion in bribes to release MQM workers from custody. “Even the Indian army did not mete out
such an insulting treatment to the 93,000 Pakistani soldiers it made prisoners of war in 1971,” he said.
He reiterated the demand for a separate province for Mohajirs.
He was addressing MQM’s Annual Convention in the US city of Dallas via telephone on Saturday.
Hussain asked his party workers to stage protests in front of United Nations, White House and NATO and raise a demand for sending their troops to Karachi.
MQM Chief also asked his party workers to write letters to US newspapers and make them aware of the actual situation in Pakistan.
Altaf Hussain asked MQM workers to continue their movement for respectable life of mothers, sisters and daughters even if he was murdered.
Dismissng the money laundery charges ,Hussain said, all the bank accounts in London had been frozen and the party members were dealing with a difficult situation there.
Terrorism is biggest threat for Pakistan, he asserted, claiming that the organizations banned by the Interior Ministry were still operating in the country.
The Pakistani government has decided to file a legal reference with London police against Hussain for appealing to India and Nato forces for help and criticising the security establishment in a provocative speech late Saturday.
“The speech from the MQM’s London office is an attack on Pakistan’s sovereignty. A legal reference will be filed with the UK government and Metropolitan Police in the coming days,” Pakistan Interior Minister Chaudhry Nisar Ali Khan told reporters on Sunday.
Meanwhile, Altaf Hussain was today declared an absconder by an anti-terrorism court here in connection with a case in which he is accused of threatening Pakistan Rangers in Sindh.
Colonel Tahir of Pakistan Rangers had filed a FIR against Altaf Hussain in June and in July FIRs were registered in different parts of the country against the MQM chief over remarks made by him against the chief of Rangers in Sindh and the paramilitary force in recent speeches.
Dallas: Pakistan’s Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM) leader Altaf Hussain has said that India should be ashamed for allowing bloodshed of Mohajirs in Pakistan.
According to a report published in Pakistani daily The News, Altaf said, India itself is a coward country, if it had some honor it would not have allowed 'bloodshed of Mohajirs' on Pakistani soil.
He accused Pakistan’s paramilitary force of taking more than Rs1 billion in bribes to release MQM workers from custody. “Even the Indian army did not mete out
such an insulting treatment to the 93,000 Pakistani soldiers it made prisoners of war in 1971,” he said.
He reiterated the demand for a separate province for Mohajirs.
He was addressing MQM’s Annual Convention in the US city of Dallas via telephone on Saturday.
Hussain asked his party workers to stage protests in front of United Nations, White House and NATO and raise a demand for sending their troops to Karachi.
MQM Chief also asked his party workers to write letters to US newspapers and make them aware of the actual situation in Pakistan.
Altaf Hussain asked MQM workers to continue their movement for respectable life of mothers, sisters and daughters even if he was murdered.
Dismissng the money laundery charges ,Hussain said, all the bank accounts in London had been frozen and the party members were dealing with a difficult situation there.
Terrorism is biggest threat for Pakistan, he asserted, claiming that the organizations banned by the Interior Ministry were still operating in the country.
The Pakistani government has decided to file a legal reference with London police against Hussain for appealing to India and Nato forces for help and criticising the security establishment in a provocative speech late Saturday.
“The speech from the MQM’s London office is an attack on Pakistan’s sovereignty. A legal reference will be filed with the UK government and Metropolitan Police in the coming days,” Pakistan Interior Minister Chaudhry Nisar Ali Khan told reporters on Sunday.
Meanwhile, Altaf Hussain was today declared an absconder by an anti-terrorism court here in connection with a case in which he is accused of threatening Pakistan Rangers in Sindh.
Colonel Tahir of Pakistan Rangers had filed a FIR against Altaf Hussain in June and in July FIRs were registered in different parts of the country against the MQM chief over remarks made by him against the chief of Rangers in Sindh and the paramilitary force in recent speeches.
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Traditional Paki Religious Underground Gay Dance. 
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Watch at 4:00 .... wtf are they doing to each other by such jerking simulation? omg
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Watch at 4:00 .... wtf are they doing to each other by such jerking simulation? omg
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Traditional Paki Religious Underground Gay Dance.
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Watch at 4:00 .... wtf are they doing to each other by such jerking simulation? omg
effectssssss of kufur hindu bollywoodssss on pakis mind and soulsssss:biggrin2::biggrin2::biggrin2::biggrin2::biggrin2::biggrin2:
is it mulla mujra??
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IMO they're attempting achieving a trance-kind state, but achieving only some high-voltage drama.Traditional Paki Religious Underground Gay Dance.
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Watch at 4:00 .... wtf are they doing to each other by such jerking simulation? omg
check this song from the band 'laal' from pakistan....it too has a clip from the same video at the end
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pakis supporting kufur hindu india:biggrin2::biggrin2::biggrin2::biggrin2:
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JuD chief moves court against Indian film exhibition
LAHORE: Justice Shahid Bilal Hassan of the LHC will take up on Monday the petition of Jamatud Dawa (JuD) chief Hafiz Saeed challenging exhibition of an upcoming Indian movie “Phantom” in Pakistan.
Through Advocate A K Dogar, Mr Saeed states in his petition that the film contains venom against Pakistan and the JuD.
He said apparently the film is about the 2008 Mumbai attacks and global terrorism.
He says the film contains filthy propaganda against Pakistan using global terrorism as a pretext.
He prays to the court to ban the exhibition of the film in the country for its “anti-Pakistan” content.
LAHORE: Justice Shahid Bilal Hassan of the LHC will take up on Monday the petition of Jamatud Dawa (JuD) chief Hafiz Saeed challenging exhibition of an upcoming Indian movie “Phantom” in Pakistan.
Through Advocate A K Dogar, Mr Saeed states in his petition that the film contains venom against Pakistan and the JuD.
He said apparently the film is about the 2008 Mumbai attacks and global terrorism.
He says the film contains filthy propaganda against Pakistan using global terrorism as a pretext.
He prays to the court to ban the exhibition of the film in the country for its “anti-Pakistan” content.
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North’s missiles tied to Musharraf blunder
ISLAMABAD – A retired Pakistani nuclear scientist has claimed that former Pakistani leader Gen. Pervez Musharraf’s 1999 military adventurism in the Kargil region of divided Kashmir failed in part because the North Korea-aided, nuclear-capable Ghauri missiles he wanted to deploy then had a faulty guidance system.
Speaking on condition of anonymity, the scientist said that during the Kargil crisis of May-July 1999, Musharraf, who was then army chief, “wanted to deploy Ghauri missiles, but air went out of his balloon when the top general in charge of the missile program told him the missile had a faulty guidance system.”
Over a year earlier, on April 6, 1998, Pakistan had carried out what it described as a successful first test of the intermediate-range ballistic missile, developed by Khan Research Laboratory with North Korean assistance.
Even Musharraf, who witnessed that Ghauri launch as a local corps commander, had been led to believe it was a success then, according to the nuclear scientist, who until recently had long been closely associated with the country’s nuclear and missile programs.
The truth, he said, is that the ballistic missile failed to reach its predesignated impact point in Pakistan’s southwestern province of Baluchistan and its debris could not be found — something that would have undermined the missile’s deterrent effect if it were made public.
Military experts and strategists have pondered why Musharraf, immediately after he became chief of the army staff in October 1998, began planning the ill-fated incursions across the volatile Line of Control in disputed Kashmir, sparking the worst outbreak of fighting since the India-Pakistan war of 1971 even though he knew Pakistan could not prevail in an all-out conventional war with its neighbor.
During the May-July 1999 conflict, the two sides fought a two-month limited war in Kargil that led to over 1,200 fatalities and added to fears of a nuclear showdown before then-U.S. President Bill Clinton helped broker a ceasefire and Pakistani withdrawal.
Musharraf’s gamble in Kargil has since been interpreted by many as an effort by Pakistan, aside from gaining a tactical advantage by occupying dominating positions in the Kargil Heights, to test the deterrence value of its nuclear weapons.
The untold story, according to the scientist, is that Musharraf was unaware of the Ghauri missile’s faulty guidance system even as he oversaw the covert occupation by Pakistan troops and mujahedeen “freedom fighters” of the inhospitable, snowbound outposts in Kargil that the Indian Army had vacated for the winter.
He said Musharraf only learned the truth in March 1999 from Lt. Gen. Zulfikar Khan, who then commanded the army’s Combat Division.
Musharraf then ordered another Ghauri test, which took place on April 14, 1999, just three days after India tested its Agni-2 intermediate-range ballistic missile and several weeks before India detected the extent of the Pakistani side’s penetration in Kargil.
But this test also failed, with the missile overflying its target and falling across the border in the Sistan region of southeastern Iran, the scientist said. It, too, was publicly declared a success, however.
The scientist’s remarks were corroborated by two other nuclear scientists and another knowledgeable source who confirmed that the two missiles tested in 1998 and 1999 both failed to impact at the predesignated points in Baluchistan.
While Pakistan claimed the Ghauri missiles were designed and produced indigenously, they were actually Nodong missiles supplied by North Korea and re-engineered in Pakistan to extend their strike range.
The scientist claimed that after the second test, North Koreans were invited to a meeting at army headquarters in Rawalpindi, where they were confronted with the fault in their technology.
“The North Koreans started talking left and right but were told to open their eyes and take care of the guidance system in their Nodong missiles,” said the scientist, who was privy to the meeting.
Musharraf, he said, initially wanted to return the Nodong missiles to North Korea, from which it had imported 40 in knocked down condition in the mid-1990s. But then the Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission undertook to replace the guidance with that of the country’s Chinese-aided Shaheen missile, he said.
Last Nov. 28, the improved version of Ghauri was test-fired and the government — true to form — declared it a success. Soon afterward, however, it was found to have exploded in midair and rained metal debris over parts of Sindh Province.
Pakistan’s disgraced nuclear scientist, Abdul Qadeer Khan, whose laboratory develops nuclear warheads for Pakistan’s missiles, concedes there was a row about the Ghauri’s accuracy.
But he ridicules the assertion that Musharraf wanted to return them over their faulty guidance system, saying, “What difference does it make if a nuclear-tipped missile falls 1 km left or right of the predetermined impact point?”
Khan claims Musharraf merely sought to return them because Pakistan had insufficient funds to pay back what it owed for them.
The Kargil crisis happened in the wake of six nuclear tests carried out by Pakistan in May 1998, which triggered sanctions against the country and led a drastic fall in foreign exchange reserves.
Pakistan suffered a serious military and diplomatic setback after successful Indian military action and intense international pressure forced it to unconditionally pull back behind the Line of Control as part of the U.S.-brokered ceasefire.
In his autobiography, published in 2006, Musharraf called it a “myth” that the two sides had come to the brink of nuclear war during the conflict and dismissed as “preposterous” speculation that Pakistan was preparing for a possible nuclear strike on India then.
“I can also say with authority that in 1999 our nuclear capability was not yet operational. Merely exploding a bomb does not mean that you are operationally capable of deploying nuclear force in the field and delivering a bomb across the border over a selected target,” he wrote.
Critics of Musharraf’s action often refer to the Kargil conflict as a “misadventure,” saying it was badly conceived and executed, while he wrongly assumed the world would sit back idly.
Instead of considering the Kargil as a blunder, Musharraf, who has been living in exile since quitting politics in 2008, claims it actually brought the Kashmir issue back into international focus and helped pave the way for a solution.
However, tension between the nuclear-armed neighbors, which have fought three wars since partition in 1947, two of them over Kashmir, has remained high since the Kargil conflict.
ISLAMABAD – A retired Pakistani nuclear scientist has claimed that former Pakistani leader Gen. Pervez Musharraf’s 1999 military adventurism in the Kargil region of divided Kashmir failed in part because the North Korea-aided, nuclear-capable Ghauri missiles he wanted to deploy then had a faulty guidance system.
Speaking on condition of anonymity, the scientist said that during the Kargil crisis of May-July 1999, Musharraf, who was then army chief, “wanted to deploy Ghauri missiles, but air went out of his balloon when the top general in charge of the missile program told him the missile had a faulty guidance system.”
Over a year earlier, on April 6, 1998, Pakistan had carried out what it described as a successful first test of the intermediate-range ballistic missile, developed by Khan Research Laboratory with North Korean assistance.
Even Musharraf, who witnessed that Ghauri launch as a local corps commander, had been led to believe it was a success then, according to the nuclear scientist, who until recently had long been closely associated with the country’s nuclear and missile programs.
The truth, he said, is that the ballistic missile failed to reach its predesignated impact point in Pakistan’s southwestern province of Baluchistan and its debris could not be found — something that would have undermined the missile’s deterrent effect if it were made public.
Military experts and strategists have pondered why Musharraf, immediately after he became chief of the army staff in October 1998, began planning the ill-fated incursions across the volatile Line of Control in disputed Kashmir, sparking the worst outbreak of fighting since the India-Pakistan war of 1971 even though he knew Pakistan could not prevail in an all-out conventional war with its neighbor.
During the May-July 1999 conflict, the two sides fought a two-month limited war in Kargil that led to over 1,200 fatalities and added to fears of a nuclear showdown before then-U.S. President Bill Clinton helped broker a ceasefire and Pakistani withdrawal.
Musharraf’s gamble in Kargil has since been interpreted by many as an effort by Pakistan, aside from gaining a tactical advantage by occupying dominating positions in the Kargil Heights, to test the deterrence value of its nuclear weapons.
The untold story, according to the scientist, is that Musharraf was unaware of the Ghauri missile’s faulty guidance system even as he oversaw the covert occupation by Pakistan troops and mujahedeen “freedom fighters” of the inhospitable, snowbound outposts in Kargil that the Indian Army had vacated for the winter.
He said Musharraf only learned the truth in March 1999 from Lt. Gen. Zulfikar Khan, who then commanded the army’s Combat Division.
Musharraf then ordered another Ghauri test, which took place on April 14, 1999, just three days after India tested its Agni-2 intermediate-range ballistic missile and several weeks before India detected the extent of the Pakistani side’s penetration in Kargil.
But this test also failed, with the missile overflying its target and falling across the border in the Sistan region of southeastern Iran, the scientist said. It, too, was publicly declared a success, however.
The scientist’s remarks were corroborated by two other nuclear scientists and another knowledgeable source who confirmed that the two missiles tested in 1998 and 1999 both failed to impact at the predesignated points in Baluchistan.
While Pakistan claimed the Ghauri missiles were designed and produced indigenously, they were actually Nodong missiles supplied by North Korea and re-engineered in Pakistan to extend their strike range.
The scientist claimed that after the second test, North Koreans were invited to a meeting at army headquarters in Rawalpindi, where they were confronted with the fault in their technology.
“The North Koreans started talking left and right but were told to open their eyes and take care of the guidance system in their Nodong missiles,” said the scientist, who was privy to the meeting.
Musharraf, he said, initially wanted to return the Nodong missiles to North Korea, from which it had imported 40 in knocked down condition in the mid-1990s. But then the Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission undertook to replace the guidance with that of the country’s Chinese-aided Shaheen missile, he said.
Last Nov. 28, the improved version of Ghauri was test-fired and the government — true to form — declared it a success. Soon afterward, however, it was found to have exploded in midair and rained metal debris over parts of Sindh Province.
Pakistan’s disgraced nuclear scientist, Abdul Qadeer Khan, whose laboratory develops nuclear warheads for Pakistan’s missiles, concedes there was a row about the Ghauri’s accuracy.
But he ridicules the assertion that Musharraf wanted to return them over their faulty guidance system, saying, “What difference does it make if a nuclear-tipped missile falls 1 km left or right of the predetermined impact point?”
Khan claims Musharraf merely sought to return them because Pakistan had insufficient funds to pay back what it owed for them.
The Kargil crisis happened in the wake of six nuclear tests carried out by Pakistan in May 1998, which triggered sanctions against the country and led a drastic fall in foreign exchange reserves.
Pakistan suffered a serious military and diplomatic setback after successful Indian military action and intense international pressure forced it to unconditionally pull back behind the Line of Control as part of the U.S.-brokered ceasefire.
In his autobiography, published in 2006, Musharraf called it a “myth” that the two sides had come to the brink of nuclear war during the conflict and dismissed as “preposterous” speculation that Pakistan was preparing for a possible nuclear strike on India then.
“I can also say with authority that in 1999 our nuclear capability was not yet operational. Merely exploding a bomb does not mean that you are operationally capable of deploying nuclear force in the field and delivering a bomb across the border over a selected target,” he wrote.
Critics of Musharraf’s action often refer to the Kargil conflict as a “misadventure,” saying it was badly conceived and executed, while he wrongly assumed the world would sit back idly.
Instead of considering the Kargil as a blunder, Musharraf, who has been living in exile since quitting politics in 2008, claims it actually brought the Kashmir issue back into international focus and helped pave the way for a solution.
However, tension between the nuclear-armed neighbors, which have fought three wars since partition in 1947, two of them over Kashmir, has remained high since the Kargil conflict.
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North Korea supply the missile and other stuff to pakistan. Pakistan supply the nuke tech to north Korea. Prc help both pakistan and north korea. Japan face tension. Japan do business with pakistan. Japan do business with prc. Japan cannot do business with north Korea. Why such denial to north korea but not others. Further more advanced ... Japan supply nuclear tech to Taiwan which not sign npt. Japan need money??
Somewhere japan and india need to sit down and think ...
This is a little far fetched also but Japan is having nuclear reactors all over its country and slowing populations. India is known for its history to welcome people from different areas and they are kept safe. Japan needs to think wisely ahead.
Somewhere japan and india need to sit down and think ...
This is a little far fetched also but Japan is having nuclear reactors all over its country and slowing populations. India is known for its history to welcome people from different areas and they are kept safe. Japan needs to think wisely ahead.
