F-35: an aircraft we dont want, but US want us to buy it

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  1. sayareakd

    sayareakd Moderator Moderator

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    We dont want F35, so many times it has been said, but again and again US want us to buy it, here is the latest.

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    Russian rubbish? India reportedly disappointed with stealth fighters from Moscow | Fox News
     
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    India should offer to pay for ToT of the engine and the extreme vectoring capable exhaust nozzle.
     
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    India should buy couple of F-35 for research use.
     
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    Faux "news" publishing another rubbish article full of lies and falsehoods to serve American corporate interests. Nothing out of the ordinary, really.
     
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    The US doesn't want India to buy the F-35, but Fox wants the US to allow India to buy the F-35. That is the reality.
     
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    no,china does that kind of "research".:pound:
     
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    Srinivas_K Senior Member Senior Member

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    In the the comments section one guy wrote ....


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    real weapon is neither f-22 nor f-35,but the economy even if US allowed to sale f-35 there is very rare chance that india gonna award US a boost of economy no matter how great tech f-35 is.
     
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    Was quote from IAF Deputy Air Marshall S Sukumar fabricated then?
     
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    The first video is from the game Battlefield 2, map is Gulf of Oman. I know cuz I've played that game a zillion times and done similar maneuvers while flying the jets. :D

    That game was released back in 2006 I think......goes to show how far video games have come in terms of graphics that you can find it hard to sometimes distinguish reality from a game!
     
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    What he said wasn't incorrect, but it wasn't correct either. Somewhere in between since he was talking about a half finished prototype.

    We know for sure that PAKFA will have a new engine, new radar and is yet to undergo stealth treatment for the airframe. Basically, all that he said is FGFA will be expensive and we have very little work participation involved. One claim about documents not being transferred is quite questionable since another source claimed the opposite.

    The 5 basic points he criticized, three (engine, radar, stealth) are already set to change with the final version and nobody can currently help with two other points (cost and work). And it was quite clear he was talking about the prototype. This is no different from our services's previous statements on other indigenous products. Media will bend the words to suit their agenda, getting readers.

    Civilians just take it as the services being against indigenous projects, even FGFA is partly an indigenous project, without understanding that these criticisms are part of the process. We are talking in terms of the customer. Once the customer has made these allegations, the manufacturers come up with reports and studies on how they plan to achieve the customer's requirements. Naturally, being a very risky project, risk assessment is part of the process and hence IAF will question everything. It was no different with MRCA deal.

    Normally, most of this never becomes public unless there is a higher objective. Namely, IAF may want the FGFA R&D contract to be given less importance by the MoD than Rafale contract which is much more important at this time, when PAKFA is still an early-mid prototype. It wouldn't be good if FGFA is given priority over Rafale because FGFA cannot fulfill immediate IAF requirements at all. We know today that FGFA contract has been pushed to next fiscal, with the new govt while IAF wants at least a preliminary Rafale deal signed within this fiscal, basically in the next two to three weeks. I am only speculating here, but I can't think of anything else for a normally tight-lipped IAF to reveal information of in-development projects even before a contract is signed.

    Being a strategic project, FGFA will continue as planned while receiving adequate funding. Rafale, LCA and even AMCA are not considered strategic projects which shows the importance of FGFA. C-17, A-330 and Phalcon are other strategic projects. IAF knows very well that FGFA level projects won't be canceled easily, especially having come so far after already having signed MoUs and PDC contracts. But MoD or MoF can cancel the Rafale deal overnight citing costs, which they have done before. So, the FGFA will eat into Rafales and other services won't sit quietly if a huge chunk of the capital budget ends up in IAF's hands.

    Sorry for the long post and this wasn't aimed specifically at you. Just posting in general.
     
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    the things the supporters of PAKFA or FGFA should explain is,

    1. Why are so many radar reflecting planes on the fuselage underside?

    2. What is the guarantee the new item 30 engine will meet the IAf requirement other than a few interviews from saturn chief?

    3. Was PAKFA a new stealth design or just the stealth complaint refined version of Su-30/

    4. What was the ASR IAf gave in the start? Has it been compiled with by now? obviously not,

    5.How can you design plane less stealth than F-22 , that too decades after F-22 entered into service and call it a newer gen stealth plane? The F-35 analogy won't do, because it was a compromise design to reduce cost by employing economy of scale across three versions which forced a suboptimal airforce version.But PAKFA was supposed to be clean sheet dedicated fighter with no short take off requirement.

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    The fit and finish has miles to go before it even reaches the level of any modern 4.5th gen fighter. With so much strengthening strips jutting out in all directions it is hardly stealth friendly in its fuselage underside. Even tejas LSP-7,8 has a way better finish than this.

    Whatever be the political motivation behind IAF accusations, this kind of finish looks like an world war-II era tech.

    Why are russians doing it like this? All metal, no composite gaping spaces rough edges,

    Against ever increasing sensitivity of ASEA radars of the future how can it's hold it's stealth tag?


    the main reason for all this is trying to improve the already existing SU-30 MK platform into stealth version, instead of going for a stealth compliant all new fifth gen designs. if this was done earlier most of the clumsy edges won't be there.

    And also they could have added better stealth compliant S shaped intake .This I posted months ago. And now everything is coming out in the open.

    No use endlessly berating Ajaishukla for his views on f-35.

    the naval version of f-35 with so many new tech is quoted to cost around 150 million dollars,

    Then how can RAFALE justify the 120 million dollar price tag with no internal weapon carriage and stealth/

    Then how can PAKFA which is just an evolutionary development version of Su-30(not a revolutionary development like F-35 which needs heavy funding and many new cutting edge tech and design concepts for the naval version)

    can ask for the same 150 million dollar per piece price tag,

    if kinematic argument favors the PAKFA, then sensor suite and take off and land anywhere capability of F-35 along with better stealth shaping makes up for that.

    So it is a complex argument , not as simple as it appears to the eye.
     
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    Never seen such a disastrous project!!.. Tax collecting gimmicky machines from USA!





    Saga of Stealth scam..
    [video]https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL5HHhz3qoOS-56GRZLp1Z7Y8UmD1vhdzx[/video]
     
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