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Sir, watch it @ 4:40.............................


Published on Jun 16, 2015, by GE Aviation
OK ! But the actual F135 is not an adaptativ cycle engine.
A video to explain how the fat F35 is more aerodynamic than Rafale or EF ?
 

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OK ! But the actual F135 is not an adaptativ cycle engine.
A video to explain how the fat F35 is more aerodynamic than Rafale or EF ?
Sir, it was for engine.

check it ................................

Easy my dear !
1) Rafale engine plume is surronded by fresh air, so as to reduce IR signature. EJ200 and F135 hasn't.
2) see how big the F35 is versus Rafale : it has a much bigger aerodynamic penalty. So at same speed it need much more thrust, so much more IR trace.
Is as simple as that.
 

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Sir, it was for engine.

check it ................................
I understand well.
So OK for the engine.
But anything to show to explain F35 body is so aerodynamic it doesn't need more thrust than EF or Rafale for same speed, so less IR? No I think. It's an evidence.
 

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I understand well.
So OK for the engine.
But anything to show to explain F35 body is so aerodynamic it doesn't need more thrust than EF or Rafale for same speed, so less IR? No I think. It's an evidence.
Please rephrase your point.....................................
 

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Easy my dear !
1) Rafale engine plume is surronded by fresh air, so as to reduce IR signature. EJ200 and F135 hasn't.
2) see how big the F35 is versus Rafale : it has a much bigger aerodynamic penalty. So at same speed it need much more thrust, so much more IR trace.

Is as simple as that.
Again Sherlock, I asked you for some really analysis based on known facts possibly conducted by a non biased source instead of your own moutarded version of views.
 

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I fear less a pachyderm than a Tiger.
Regardless, it takes a pack of Tigers to take down a Pachyderm while a pissed off Pachyderm can crush several well respected predators all day.
 

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Again Sherlock, I asked you for some really analysis based on known facts possibly conducted by a non biased source instead of your own moutarded version of views.
Just have a front look of a Rafale and a F35 : it's easy to understand one is a truck and the other one à Ferrari.
 

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Just have a front look of a Rafale and a F35 : it's easy to understand one is a truck and the other one à Ferrari.
:) problem with Ferraris is that they cost a ton, get stuck on regular speed bumps and are quite expensive to operate. The Truck on the other hand is reliable, goes places a Ferrari can't.
 

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:) problem with Ferraris is that they cost a ton, get stuck on regular speed bumps and are quite expensive to operate. The Truck on the other hand is reliable, goes places a Ferrari can't.
But in the sky sir, there are no speed bumps.
 

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:) problem with Ferraris is that they cost a ton, get stuck on regular speed bumps and are quite expensive to operate. The Truck on the other hand is reliable, goes places a Ferrari can't.
OK. so compare the uggly F35 and the Porsche style Rafale. :biggrin2:
 

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OK. so compare the uggly F35 and the Porsche style Rafale. :biggrin2:
Ewww.. why do you degrade the Rafale to Porche :) I didn't say the Rafale was that bad? Rafale is best left as a Ferrari. F-35 on the other hand is a Humvee.
 

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Ewww.. why do you degrade the Rafale to Porche :) I didn't say the Rafale was that bad? Rafale is best left as a Ferrari. F-35 on the other hand is a Humvee.
Porsche is very reliable and effectiv. But I agree with you. One of a first time ever....
 

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Porsche is very reliable and effectiv. But I agree with you. One of a first time ever....
Though we have our disagreements, but as is in most cases there is probably more that unites us than divides.
 

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Just have a front look of a Rafale and a F35 : it's easy to understand one is a truck and the other one à Ferrari.
Lets check the reality.......................................

By size of both of them. (whichever is lesser, I marked it with red color)......................

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Rafale#Specifications

  • Length: 15.27 m (50.1 ft)
  • Height: 5.34 m (17.5 ft)
  • Wing area: 45.7 m² (492 ft²)
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_F-35_Lightning_II#Specifications_.28F-35A.29

  • Length: 50.5 ft[642] (15.67 m)
  • Height: 14.2 ft[N 5] (4.33 m)
  • Wing area: 460 ft² (42.7 m²)
 

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Lets check the reality.......................................

By size of both of them. (whichever is lesser, I marked it with red color)......................

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Rafale#Specifications

  • Length: 15.27 m (50.1 ft)
  • Height: 5.34 m (17.5 ft)
  • Wing area: 45.7 m² (492 ft²)
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_F-35_Lightning_II#Specifications_.28F-35A.29

  • Length: 50.5 ft[642] (15.67 m)
  • Height: 14.2 ft[N 5] (4.33 m)
  • Wing area: 460 ft² (42.7 m²)
find and see the front section of each ! and all will be Crystal clear.
 

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Frontal view of Rafale in combat config:

Another set-up:

Yet another set-up:


F-35A combat config:
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I think it's the F-35A that looks like a Ferrari and the Rafale like a Mitsubishi pick-up truck in real world combat configurations...
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find and see the front section of each ! and all will be Crystal clear.
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I think it's the F-35A that looks like a Ferrari and the Rafale like a Mitsubishi pick-up truck in real world combat configurations...
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