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US Links Future Of Joint Jet Engine Development Project To Manufacture Fighter Plan
NEW DELHI: The US has linked the future of a joint jet engine development project to a proposal to manufacture American combat aircraft under the Make in India initiative, with Pentagon formally putting all options on the table, including sharing of high-end weapons, radar and power plant technology, during Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar's recent visit.
Sources told ET that India will now be able to formally evaluate two proposals from US companies Boeing (F/A 18 Super Hornet) and Lockheed Martin (F16 Super Viper) to make jets in India with Pentagon giving a written assurance for transfer of technology.
A renewed push for the jet aircraft project came during the Parrikar visit, with an assurance that high-end jet engine technology that India seeks for its future combat aircraft programmes is also on the table.
In fact, officials told ET that US Secretary for Defence Ashton Carter may be visiting India as early as December to take the process forward. Sources who took part in the discussions said that while in April, when the two US companies had first offered the two jets for a Make in India plan, there was reluctance in Washington on how much technology could be shared.
However recent initiatives, including India's entry into the Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR) and the signing of a military logistics support agreement, have changed things on the ground.
It is learnt that the offer from Boeing, which makes the F/A 18, is for the setting up of a new worldclass production facility in India that would cater to the production of futuristic combat aircraft.
Lockheed Martin proposes to shift its F 16 fighter line from Texas to India as the sole production facility in the world.
As reported first by ET, in April rivals Boeing and Lockheed Martin jointly met top defence ministry officials in New Delhi offering to locally manufacture the fighter jets.
The offer came after Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar publicly stated that the ministry is interested in setting up production lines for 'one or two' fighters at the earliest, beyond the Rafale fighter jet deal with France.
http://www.indiandefensenews.in/2016/09/us-links-future-of-joint-jet-engine.html
NEW DELHI: The US has linked the future of a joint jet engine development project to a proposal to manufacture American combat aircraft under the Make in India initiative, with Pentagon formally putting all options on the table, including sharing of high-end weapons, radar and power plant technology, during Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar's recent visit.
Sources told ET that India will now be able to formally evaluate two proposals from US companies Boeing (F/A 18 Super Hornet) and Lockheed Martin (F16 Super Viper) to make jets in India with Pentagon giving a written assurance for transfer of technology.
A renewed push for the jet aircraft project came during the Parrikar visit, with an assurance that high-end jet engine technology that India seeks for its future combat aircraft programmes is also on the table.
In fact, officials told ET that US Secretary for Defence Ashton Carter may be visiting India as early as December to take the process forward. Sources who took part in the discussions said that while in April, when the two US companies had first offered the two jets for a Make in India plan, there was reluctance in Washington on how much technology could be shared.
However recent initiatives, including India's entry into the Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR) and the signing of a military logistics support agreement, have changed things on the ground.
It is learnt that the offer from Boeing, which makes the F/A 18, is for the setting up of a new worldclass production facility in India that would cater to the production of futuristic combat aircraft.
Lockheed Martin proposes to shift its F 16 fighter line from Texas to India as the sole production facility in the world.
As reported first by ET, in April rivals Boeing and Lockheed Martin jointly met top defence ministry officials in New Delhi offering to locally manufacture the fighter jets.
The offer came after Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar publicly stated that the ministry is interested in setting up production lines for 'one or two' fighters at the earliest, beyond the Rafale fighter jet deal with France.
http://www.indiandefensenews.in/2016/09/us-links-future-of-joint-jet-engine.html
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Have Americans virtually killed SAAB’s Griper E offer to India ?
According to leaked WikiLeaks cables realised few years ago, highlighted how Americans denied US-built AESA radar for Gripen-NG which was pitched for Norwegian requirements and later Americans pressurised French and Israel to pull out of talks with Saab in providing their AESA radar for their Gripen-NG to protect their changes in India’s MMRCA tender . After India withdraw MMRCA tender earlier this year , India has accepted Americans proposal for supply and manufacturing of their F-18 and F-16 fighter jets in India and also has been in discussion with SAAB in Parallel which has been pitching India its Gripen-E fighter jets with full Transfer of technology and possible collaboration on Tejas MK-II and later on India’s 5th Generation AMCA project . Recent Indian media reports suggest that Americans now have linked Joint Indo-US Jet Engine Technology Joint Working Group (JETJWG) talks with the purchase of F-16 or F-18 fighter jets by India . India and USA had formed JETJWG to discuss a possible collaboration for the joint development of a new jet 110kN thrust class jet engine for India’s AMCA 5th Generation fighter jet programme based on updated GE’s F-414 engines. By linking Two projects Americans have virtually killed any chances of Gripen-E been selected by India, even though India’s Defence minister Manohar Parrikar is currently in Sweden and will be visiting Saab’s facility at Linkoping in Sweden . French offer on funding and developing Indigenous Kaveri engine has an offset on Rafale deal is still pending with MOD but Americans clinching deal for the supply of 90 jets to Indian Air Force now seems inevitable
http://idrw.org/americans-virtually-killed-saabs-griper-e-offer-india/
According to leaked WikiLeaks cables realised few years ago, highlighted how Americans denied US-built AESA radar for Gripen-NG which was pitched for Norwegian requirements and later Americans pressurised French and Israel to pull out of talks with Saab in providing their AESA radar for their Gripen-NG to protect their changes in India’s MMRCA tender . After India withdraw MMRCA tender earlier this year , India has accepted Americans proposal for supply and manufacturing of their F-18 and F-16 fighter jets in India and also has been in discussion with SAAB in Parallel which has been pitching India its Gripen-E fighter jets with full Transfer of technology and possible collaboration on Tejas MK-II and later on India’s 5th Generation AMCA project . Recent Indian media reports suggest that Americans now have linked Joint Indo-US Jet Engine Technology Joint Working Group (JETJWG) talks with the purchase of F-16 or F-18 fighter jets by India . India and USA had formed JETJWG to discuss a possible collaboration for the joint development of a new jet 110kN thrust class jet engine for India’s AMCA 5th Generation fighter jet programme based on updated GE’s F-414 engines. By linking Two projects Americans have virtually killed any chances of Gripen-E been selected by India, even though India’s Defence minister Manohar Parrikar is currently in Sweden and will be visiting Saab’s facility at Linkoping in Sweden . French offer on funding and developing Indigenous Kaveri engine has an offset on Rafale deal is still pending with MOD but Americans clinching deal for the supply of 90 jets to Indian Air Force now seems inevitable
http://idrw.org/americans-virtually-killed-saabs-griper-e-offer-india/
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There is possibility that other engine like EJ200 or M88 or the Russian AL serries can be added, a fessilbilty study by SAAB was done and also alternative radar supplier are there, but as for engine I think the Swedes have the intellectual right as it was a JV and is custom built for Gripen E.Have Americans virtually killed SAAB’s Griper E offer to India ?
According to leaked WikiLeaks cables realised few years ago, highlighted how Americans denied US-built AESA radar for Gripen-NG which was pitched for Norwegian requirements and later Americans pressurised French and Israel to pull out of talks with Saab in providing their AESA radar for their Gripen-NG to protect their changes in India’s MMRCA tender . After India withdraw MMRCA tender earlier this year , India has accepted Americans proposal for supply and manufacturing of their F-18 and F-16 fighter jets in India and also has been in discussion with SAAB in Parallel which has been pitching India its Gripen-E fighter jets with full Transfer of technology and possible collaboration on Tejas MK-II and later on India’s 5th Generation AMCA project . Recent Indian media reports suggest that Americans now have linked Joint Indo-US Jet Engine Technology Joint Working Group (JETJWG) talks with the purchase of F-16 or F-18 fighter jets by India . India and USA had formed JETJWG to discuss a possible collaboration for the joint development of a new jet 110kN thrust class jet engine for India’s AMCA 5th Generation fighter jet programme based on updated GE’s F-414 engines. By linking Two projects Americans have virtually killed any chances of Gripen-E been selected by India, even though India’s Defence minister Manohar Parrikar is currently in Sweden and will be visiting Saab’s facility at Linkoping in Sweden . French offer on funding and developing Indigenous Kaveri engine has an offset on Rafale deal is still pending with MOD but Americans clinching deal for the supply of 90 jets to Indian Air Force now seems inevitable
http://idrw.org/americans-virtually-killed-saabs-griper-e-offer-india/
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After Gripen we will talk about F/A -18 ASH anyways.
Still SAAB use GE engines in Gripen aircrafts and HAL use it for Tejas.
And common engine is also a factor for selecting Gripen , F/A-18 ASH along with Tejas.
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Boeing bullish on India as manufacturing base
NEW DELHI -- India is currently finalizing negotiations to buy 36 French Rafale multi-role fighter jets -- a deal for which Boeing unsuccessfully pitched its F/A-18 Super Hornet. But Boeing India president Pratyush Kumar is looking to life beyond the Rafale deal, and to India's growing role in the company's global operations.
"In India we have a robust and growing business partnership in both the commercial and defense space," Kumar said. "Just this past month, the Indian government placed an order for four P8-I maritime reconnaissance aircraft." That deal is worth more than $1 billion.
The company also announced the start of construction in Hyderabad of a joint venture aerospace factory with Tata Advanced Systems, part of the Tata Group, in June.
"This factory will make the entire fuselage for the Apache attack helicopter. This is not just for the 22 Apaches that India has contracted for -- but also for the global supply chain of Boeing. This is just the beginning; we see India as a part of Boeing's global aviation ecosystem in the years ahead."
The joint venture will manufacture the Apache's fuselage, door frames for the P8-I and will also scale up for Boeing's global needs. Tata will benefit from technology transfer through the joint venture.
Kumar is also bullish on combat aircraft, despite the Rafale deal. "The [Indian Air Force] will gradually phase out the Mig-21, Mirage 2000 and Jaguar squadrons over the next decade. This creates an opportunity for more aircraft for the IAF," he said.
"India will look beyond the India-made light combat aircraft and the French Rafale. Boeing is willing to create an aircraft ecosystem by transferring the entire production line of the Super Hornet [F/A-18] to India."
Present in India for 77 years, Boeing is the largest single defense vendor to the country, where it has an estimated $11 billion order book. This is a sea change from just a few years ago, when Russian and Israeli companies dominated Indian defense imports.
Zero Defect Domain
Kumar attributes the opportunity for sourcing globally from India to the available pool of engineering talent. However, for India to best leverage the global opportunity, government rules requiring 30% to 50% of each contract to be made in India -- depending on the contract size -- need to be made more flexible, he said.
"Capacity building is critical in aviation, which is a different kind of business from, say, the automotive industry," he said. Aviation "is a zero defect domain. Aviation needs an ecosystem to be put into place. India should consider using offset dollars in skill development to create a new generation of aeronautical engineers."
In its recently released market outlook for 2016, Boeing said it expects the Indian commercial aviation market to grow significantly in the medium term. It projects demand at 1,850 new aircraft, valued at $265 billion, by 2035. Of these, the company believes 1,500 aircraft will be single-aisle, while 280 will be wide-bodied.
According to the International Air Transport Association, air travel in India grew by 20% in 2015 -- the fastest growth rate in the world.
However, some analysts believe that Indian skies may be becoming over crowded as the number of competing airlines continues to soar -- the latest to enter the market include Vistara, a joint venture launched by Tata and Singapore Airlines, and Air Asia India, an offshoot of Malaysia's Air Asia. Boeing recently announced that Jet Airways, India's second-largest airline by passenger numbers, has put on hold the delivery of 10 Boeing 787 aircraft.
The country's new civil aviation policy, introduced earlier this year, mandates that a one-hour flight anywhere in India must cost no more than 2,500 rupees ($36) compared with a typical previous cost of about 4,500 rupees. The policy also frees airlines from rules requiring them to have been in business for at least five years and to possess a fleet of 20 aircraft before they can fly abroad.
"The new civil aviation policy will sustain aviation momentum going forward. The reform will spur cheaper regional connectivity. This will expand the Indian civil aviation market spatially -- beyond India's key mega cities," Kumar said. Boeing plans to pitch the 737-8 MAX, its prime regional jet, for the Indian market.
http://www.indiandefensenews.in/2016/09/boeing-bullish-on-india-as.html
NEW DELHI -- India is currently finalizing negotiations to buy 36 French Rafale multi-role fighter jets -- a deal for which Boeing unsuccessfully pitched its F/A-18 Super Hornet. But Boeing India president Pratyush Kumar is looking to life beyond the Rafale deal, and to India's growing role in the company's global operations.
"In India we have a robust and growing business partnership in both the commercial and defense space," Kumar said. "Just this past month, the Indian government placed an order for four P8-I maritime reconnaissance aircraft." That deal is worth more than $1 billion.
The company also announced the start of construction in Hyderabad of a joint venture aerospace factory with Tata Advanced Systems, part of the Tata Group, in June.
"This factory will make the entire fuselage for the Apache attack helicopter. This is not just for the 22 Apaches that India has contracted for -- but also for the global supply chain of Boeing. This is just the beginning; we see India as a part of Boeing's global aviation ecosystem in the years ahead."
The joint venture will manufacture the Apache's fuselage, door frames for the P8-I and will also scale up for Boeing's global needs. Tata will benefit from technology transfer through the joint venture.
Kumar is also bullish on combat aircraft, despite the Rafale deal. "The [Indian Air Force] will gradually phase out the Mig-21, Mirage 2000 and Jaguar squadrons over the next decade. This creates an opportunity for more aircraft for the IAF," he said.
"India will look beyond the India-made light combat aircraft and the French Rafale. Boeing is willing to create an aircraft ecosystem by transferring the entire production line of the Super Hornet [F/A-18] to India."
Present in India for 77 years, Boeing is the largest single defense vendor to the country, where it has an estimated $11 billion order book. This is a sea change from just a few years ago, when Russian and Israeli companies dominated Indian defense imports.
Zero Defect Domain
Kumar attributes the opportunity for sourcing globally from India to the available pool of engineering talent. However, for India to best leverage the global opportunity, government rules requiring 30% to 50% of each contract to be made in India -- depending on the contract size -- need to be made more flexible, he said.
"Capacity building is critical in aviation, which is a different kind of business from, say, the automotive industry," he said. Aviation "is a zero defect domain. Aviation needs an ecosystem to be put into place. India should consider using offset dollars in skill development to create a new generation of aeronautical engineers."
In its recently released market outlook for 2016, Boeing said it expects the Indian commercial aviation market to grow significantly in the medium term. It projects demand at 1,850 new aircraft, valued at $265 billion, by 2035. Of these, the company believes 1,500 aircraft will be single-aisle, while 280 will be wide-bodied.
According to the International Air Transport Association, air travel in India grew by 20% in 2015 -- the fastest growth rate in the world.
However, some analysts believe that Indian skies may be becoming over crowded as the number of competing airlines continues to soar -- the latest to enter the market include Vistara, a joint venture launched by Tata and Singapore Airlines, and Air Asia India, an offshoot of Malaysia's Air Asia. Boeing recently announced that Jet Airways, India's second-largest airline by passenger numbers, has put on hold the delivery of 10 Boeing 787 aircraft.
The country's new civil aviation policy, introduced earlier this year, mandates that a one-hour flight anywhere in India must cost no more than 2,500 rupees ($36) compared with a typical previous cost of about 4,500 rupees. The policy also frees airlines from rules requiring them to have been in business for at least five years and to possess a fleet of 20 aircraft before they can fly abroad.
"The new civil aviation policy will sustain aviation momentum going forward. The reform will spur cheaper regional connectivity. This will expand the Indian civil aviation market spatially -- beyond India's key mega cities," Kumar said. Boeing plans to pitch the 737-8 MAX, its prime regional jet, for the Indian market.
http://www.indiandefensenews.in/2016/09/boeing-bullish-on-india-as.html
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http://www.defencenews.in/article/Boeing,-Lockheed-Still-In-The-Hunt-For-Fighter-Sales-To-India-8292
Boeing, Lockheed Still In The Hunt For Fighter Sales To India
Saturday, September 24, 2016
By: Investors Business Daily
Boeing, Lockheed Still In The Hunt For Fighter Sales To India
Saturday, September 24, 2016
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No Way !!!
It's the end of the small road for SH18 in India. Rafale deal suddenly closed all the dreams....
India can't afford 2 medium planes. Rafale take it all.
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Boeing, Lockheed Still In The Hunt For Fighter Sales To India
Boeing (BA) and Lockheed Martin (LMT) might have lost round one to France's Dassault, but there are more fighter jet deals in India's future.
As expected, India signed a deal worth nearly $9 billion Friday for 36 Rafale fighter jets, rather than picking Boeing's F/A-18 E/F Super Hornet, Lockheed's F-16 or BAE's Eurofighter.
But that quantity is just a fraction of what the country's military needs, as it looks to start replacing its roughly 900 fighters, mostly Russian-built aircraft nearing the end of their service lives. And defense analysts are bullish the U.S. companies have a good chance to win future orders.
"The Indians have never bought 36 of anything," Teal Group analyst Richard Aboulafia said. "They buy in significant quantities."
He expects another fighter request from India in a year, but warned that governmental bureaucracy could slow things down.
International sales can also get tripped up by the twists and turns of foreign relations, but Aboulafia said he has "no doubt" that Boeing or Lockheed jets would have an advantage in future deals, citing their quality and reliability.
He added that Boeing's Super Hornet might have an edge over Lockheed's F-16 as India is looking for planes that can fly off aircraft carriers to replace its MiG-29Ks.
Lockheed shares closed 0.3% lower to 245.84 in the stock market today. Boeing shares were flat.
India's deal Friday with Dassault was its second attempt at a fighter purchase. In 2012, New Delhi chose Dassault to build 126 new fighters. But negotiations stalled, and in July the government canceled the program, opting instead for a government-to-government deal.
In trying to secure the fighter contract, Lockheed offered in August to move its F-16 manufacturing to India. And during U.S. Defense Secretary Ash Carter's visit to India in April, he reportedly pushed for a Boeing or Lockheed buy.
http://defencenews.in/article/Boeing,-Lockheed-Still-In-The-Hunt-For-Fighter-Sales-To-India-8292
Boeing (BA) and Lockheed Martin (LMT) might have lost round one to France's Dassault, but there are more fighter jet deals in India's future.
As expected, India signed a deal worth nearly $9 billion Friday for 36 Rafale fighter jets, rather than picking Boeing's F/A-18 E/F Super Hornet, Lockheed's F-16 or BAE's Eurofighter.
But that quantity is just a fraction of what the country's military needs, as it looks to start replacing its roughly 900 fighters, mostly Russian-built aircraft nearing the end of their service lives. And defense analysts are bullish the U.S. companies have a good chance to win future orders.
"The Indians have never bought 36 of anything," Teal Group analyst Richard Aboulafia said. "They buy in significant quantities."
He expects another fighter request from India in a year, but warned that governmental bureaucracy could slow things down.
International sales can also get tripped up by the twists and turns of foreign relations, but Aboulafia said he has "no doubt" that Boeing or Lockheed jets would have an advantage in future deals, citing their quality and reliability.
He added that Boeing's Super Hornet might have an edge over Lockheed's F-16 as India is looking for planes that can fly off aircraft carriers to replace its MiG-29Ks.
Lockheed shares closed 0.3% lower to 245.84 in the stock market today. Boeing shares were flat.
India's deal Friday with Dassault was its second attempt at a fighter purchase. In 2012, New Delhi chose Dassault to build 126 new fighters. But negotiations stalled, and in July the government canceled the program, opting instead for a government-to-government deal.
In trying to secure the fighter contract, Lockheed offered in August to move its F-16 manufacturing to India. And during U.S. Defense Secretary Ash Carter's visit to India in April, he reportedly pushed for a Boeing or Lockheed buy.
http://defencenews.in/article/Boeing,-Lockheed-Still-In-The-Hunt-For-Fighter-Sales-To-India-8292
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How does the FA 18 compare to Cheeni J 10bs?
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A desesperate try....Boeing, Lockheed Still In The Hunt For Fighter Sales To India
Boeing (BA) and Lockheed Martin (LMT) might have lost round one to France's Dassault, but there are more fighter jet deals in India's future.
As expected, India signed a deal worth nearly $9 billion Friday for 36 Rafale fighter jets, rather than picking Boeing's F/A-18 E/F Super Hornet, Lockheed's F-16 or BAE's Eurofighter.
But that quantity is just a fraction of what the country's military needs, as it looks to start replacing its roughly 900 fighters, mostly Russian-built aircraft nearing the end of their service lives. And defense analysts are bullish the U.S. companies have a good chance to win future orders.
"The Indians have never bought 36 of anything," Teal Group analyst Richard Aboulafia said. "They buy in significant quantities."
He expects another fighter request from India in a year, but warned that governmental bureaucracy could slow things down.
International sales can also get tripped up by the twists and turns of foreign relations, but Aboulafia said he has "no doubt" that Boeing or Lockheed jets would have an advantage in future deals, citing their quality and reliability.
He added that Boeing's Super Hornet might have an edge over Lockheed's F-16 as India is looking for planes that can fly off aircraft carriers to replace its MiG-29Ks.
Lockheed shares closed 0.3% lower to 245.84 in the stock market today. Boeing shares were flat.
India's deal Friday with Dassault was its second attempt at a fighter purchase. In 2012, New Delhi chose Dassault to build 126 new fighters. But negotiations stalled, and in July the government canceled the program, opting instead for a government-to-government deal.
In trying to secure the fighter contract, Lockheed offered in August to move its F-16 manufacturing to India. And during U.S. Defense Secretary Ash Carter's visit to India in April, he reportedly pushed for a Boeing or Lockheed buy.
http://defencenews.in/article/Boeing,-Lockheed-Still-In-The-Hunt-For-Fighter-Sales-To-India-8292
SH18 is not a nice fighter. Just see its weight and how many load it can take ! it's limited to 7.5 G .... too poor. It only has a good and big radar. It's a flying radar in fact.
Now that India has paid for fix costs for Rafale, all new Rafale will only costs less than 100 €million. No space for another (anemic) medium plane.
Even (and mainly) on Carrier.
Bye bye Super Hornet (The "Super" was never merited)
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Who knows something true about J10? It's a bad known product outside China.
Better to compare (when possible) with another single engine fighter, as F16, Gripen, Tejas.
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Still based on available info how does the J 10B compare to the Shornet?
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I don't know .
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Iz that the Typhoon in your avatar?
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NOOOOOOO !!!
Rafale.
My flag is english, I don't know why (VPN ?) but I'm French.
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You can change your flag from the settings i believe?NOOOOOOO !!!
Rafale.
My flag is english, I don't know why (VPN ?) but I'm French.
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already made.... 10 x !!!!
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At what price ................?
