F 18 Advanced Super Hornet Cheaper Option for India

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  1. WolfPack86

    WolfPack86 Senior Member Senior Member

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    Price. $65 million for Super Hornet add a few million more for Advance Super Hornet

    Range. CFTs add as much as 130NM over Super Hornet

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    Why not the SU-35?

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    Fuel Cost Winner: Sukhoi
    Range Winner: Sukhoi
    Altitude Winner: Sukhoi
    Rate of Climb Winner: Sukhoi
    Max. Speed Winner: Sukhoi
    Takeoff Field Length Winner: Boeing
    Landing Field Length Winner: Sukhoi
    Thrust per Engine Winner: Boeing
    Payload Winner: Sukhoi

    F-18 - $55 million. SU-35 $40-$60 million.
     
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    The Americans aren't offering ANY meaningful ToT/industrial benefits. The French offer is FAR more attractive and the Rafale is the better plane with long road map ahead- the F-18 is dead.
     
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    @abingdonboy, we do not know yet what Americans are offering. You need to factor in that a lot has happened in the last few months. The realities have changed.

    We need to wait for a formal announcement.
     
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    BCZ it comes with traditional Russian issues. Few of them as below....

    * Being a Russian product it has chance of becoming of "50% wali item". One of the serious threat to India's security concern.
    When ever they try to get money out of any deal, it always kept India weak.

    * More Russian products in our defence, it also drag India towards leftist ideology.
    No good for India , again.

    * India was one of the major buyer of Russian products.
    And still we end up being a buyer after many years.
    Not any more this drama.

    * Russian products are not cheap, as their supporters claim.

    ............................... I hope this will do for time being....!
     
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    Good Luck in getting TOT from a french company, there is a chance that US companies might give TOT up to a level, but French ya right. I have seen few agreement in last few month where defence contractor keep loop holes just in case. I guess French are ahead in this game.

    In a documentary I saw a Belgium guy(or some european guy) mocking the French Dassault on TOT offered if they chose Mirage.
     
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    The American deal will come with 50% real offsets, that is the fighter will have a local value addition of 50%. Bulk of it will be engine.

    The Rafale deal happened in 30% offsets era. Even that was not honoured by French.

    However as I said, proof of the pudding is in eating. Let them finalize the deals. We shall know in due course.
     
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    I still feel f18 hornet advance can fill the gap of mmrca in record time and tech in better price
     
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    The GoI, MoD and PM thought differently....
     
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    Read the mmrca rfp, it clearly mention 50% offset no matter who is the winner. Though the norm was 30% at that time.
     
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    true that is why we are in a mess despite of 45 billion dallar defence budget
     
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    Dassault owned a subsidiary in Belgium, and they produced parts of Mirage in it !
    US only gave crumb as ToT. style "produced this left landing gear door" or "that right leading edge"....
     
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    You are totally wrong. Dassault agree for 50% offset.
    Stop reading tabloid Bro.
     
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    it's an anemic fighter. A king of super Tornado, with BVR capacity.
    Just see its dry weight and load capacity vs Rafale one.... you'll see the difference between a normal fighter and a top class one.
     
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    The biggest benefit is strategic, when you go with US.
     
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    The biggest threat is to loose independance.

    UAE can't use freely its F16'60.... as Uncle SAM has the keys in his pocket (a war not agreed by US ? => no more support. It's as simple as that).
     
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    Sir, does French lost their independence........?

    They also use C-130.

    Well, its a US product anyway.

    And getting from France has its own issues.

    Remember Falkland war.........!
     
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