Explosion in premises of Lal Shahbaz shrine in Sehwan,30+dead

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Perfect opportunity to take down terror dens at LC. Pakistan is heavily focused on Afghan side.


Reason why porkis are moving artillery towards Afghan border.
Most of the Afghan is in shambles and yet they put up a good fight unlike us (peace loving dumbasses).

No man the Pakistanis will say the same BRS (broken record syndrome) that NDS and R&AW are behind this and we'll just tag around gentlemen as is said silence is the hallmark of a intelligent man the can be applied to the world of intelligence

So fellow countrymen sit back and enjoy the show
 

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Perfect opportunity to take down terror dens at LC. Pakistan is heavily focused on Afghan side.


Reason why porkis are moving artillery towards Afghan border.
Most of the Afghan is in shambles and yet they put up a good fight unlike us (peace loving dumbasses).
If the news is true then this sorry excuse of an army might even lose a war against Bhutan and they don't even like to fight.
 

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I told in the previous post. Afghans are not peace loving Indians they are the same tribes which Pakistan use in SSG and CAD and what they boast about in mard e momin style. Afghans know how to revolt specially against Punjabis in Pak LOL
SSG is Punjabi Dominated not Pashtun neither those pics posted by INDRA are Pak troops but civil police as FC and Pak troops have different Camo. Most probably the pic from Iraq.
 

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SSG is Punjabi Dominated not Pashtun neither those pics posted by INDRA are Pak troops but civil police as FC and Pak troops have different Camo. Most probably the pic from Iraq.
yeah they are FC people most probably from local intel unit.
 

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If the news is true then this sorry excuse of an army might even lose a war against Bhutan and they don't even like to fight.
Don't downgrade Bhutanese , Bhutan-Tibet army defeated destroyer of Nalanda Bakhtiyar Khilji so badly that he somehow return with mare 200 soldier , after launching expedition with 10-20k soldier.
 

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Perfect opportunity to take down terror dens at LC. Pakistan is heavily focused on Afghan side.


Reason why porkis are moving artillery towards Afghan border.
Any confirmation that this actually happened from an independent source? Were they all Paki soldiers or civilians?
 

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Afghans want Indian medium Arty for last several years but due to late procurements ( and international pressure ) these Arty pieces are far from phased out. Same is true for Air defense.


And in its absence Pak Army will make mince meat of Afghan forces whenever they desire. I doubt if Afghans troops are even equipped with 120 mm Mortar
Atleast give them 105 MM field gun with new thermobaric ammunition. Give them some shoulder fire missiles and some anti tank ammunition and train them to do surgical strike we did in porkistan. If afghans attack couple of army camps in porkistan near border, and couple of their shitty planes are downed, porki army shall start pissing in their pant.
 

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Atleast give them 105 MM field gun with new thermobaric ammunition. Give them some shoulder fire missiles and some anti tank ammunition and train them to do surgical strike we did in porkistan. If afghans attack couple of army camps in porkistan near border, and couple of their shitty planes are downed, porki army shall start pissing in their pant.
Already Afghan analysts are recommending a pivot away from India because even though relations are good, it doesn't benefit them because of Indian bureaucracy. :doh:
 

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Suicide bombers attacked a court complex in Pakistan on Tuesday, killing at least four people, officials said, in the latest incident in a new surge of Islamist violence.

A spokesperson for the Pakistani Taliban’s Jamaat-ur-Ahrar faction claimed responsibility for the attack in the northwestern town of Charsadda.

The district administration said at least four people were killed. A witness told Reuters he had seen “many” dead bodies at the scene.

Town resident Mohammad Shah Baz told Reuters he was inside the judicial complex when the suicide bombers stormed it.

“I escaped towards the canteen and climbed the wall to save my life. But there were many people dead and injured,” he said.





District police chief Sohail Khalid said at least one of the attackers blew himself up and another opened fire at the main entrance of the court compound before they were shot and killed.

Jamaat-ur-Ahrar spokesperson Asad Mansoor claimed responsibility the attack in a message to journalists. He said fighting was still going on at the court.

Security forces and police personnel have cordoned off the area. Deputy commissioner of Charsadda said the area has put on high alert.

At least three attackers attempted to enter the court premises through the main gate. They opened fire and also threw hand grenades, prompting retaliatory fire by police and security forces deployed at the court.

Pakistan has been hit by a series of brazen suicide bombings last week that were claimed by various Islamic militant groups and that killed over 100 people.

Pakistani has stepped up security after a suicide attack claimed by the Islamic State left 81 dead at a crowded Sufi shrine. Thursday’s attack at the Lal Shahbaz Qalandar shrine in Sindh province was preceded by suicide attacks in Lahore and the northwest.

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this is why modi chose rawat doval and the new chief looks like his selection was good. unlike the previous ones who did great but lacked hitting right.

I think the charsadda court is basically a military court too?

Not sure but this must be important as this is not the first time that the taliban has targeted charsadda court. Read the dates on below links.

Taliban bomb Charsadda court
| 17 killed, 30 hurt in suicide hit termed ‘revenge’ for Qadri hanging | PM vows to root out terrorism | KP CM, governor, others condemn attack
March 08, 2016/ 2 Comments
http://nation.com.pk/national/08-Mar-2016/taliban-bomb-charsadda-court


5 injured in IED blasts outside Charsadda court
By Mureeb Mohmand
Published: August 4, 2016

https://tribune.com.pk/story/1155403/5-injured-ied-blasts-outside-charsadda-court/
 

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Military courts in Pakistan are not helping counter terror threats

The frustration with impunity for terrorism and serious crimes in Pakistan is legitimate, but there are no overnight solutions to a crisis caused by decades of neglect.



The killing of at least 20 students and staff of Bacha Khan University in Charsadda, disturbingly reminiscent of the attack a year ago on the Army Public School in Peshawar, has once again brought into focus the efficacy and legitimacy of the country's National Action Plan. This includes at the forefront the controversial move to establish military courts to try civilians for terrorism-related offences.

Since the 21st Amendment passed in January 2015, Pakistan has established 11 military courts to hear terrorism-related cases. These courts have sentenced 36 people to death and given life sentences to four persons. Eight civilians convicted by military courts have been hanged after secret trials.

The operation of military courts has come at great cost to human rights and the judiciary’s independence, which has been argued in detail on these pages. The promised "quick results", however, are yet to be seen. This is not surprising, as the very rationale behind the establishment of military courts is flawed, if not deliberately deceptive.

The premise of the 21st Amendment was a hastily constructed narrative that "civilian courts have failed". This claim was supported by assertions that civilian anti-terrorism courts have high rates of acquittal and judges deliberately let "terrorists" off the hook, either because of fear or sympathy.

Notwithstanding the fact that equating justice with the rate of convictions is abhorrent to the rule of law (only in authoritarian regimes lacking an independent judiciary are there no acquittals), curiously, none of the advocates of military courts, whether in parliament or in the media, presented any evidence to demonstrate why the civilian judiciary is incapable of bringing perpetrators of terrorism to justice.

The real problems

While it is true that ATCs have a high acquittal rate ranging from 80% to 90%, the reasons for this are far more complex than the half-truths and hurried conclusions presented before parliament and on television screens.

Justice Faez Isa discussed in detail some of these reasons in his dissenting opinion in the Supreme Court judgement on the challenge to the 21st Amendment. He regretted that “important matters such as the proscribing of terrorists, lodging of cases against them, collection of evidence and conducting a thorough prosecution have been largely ignored, and it has somehow been concluded that the reason terrorism continues unabated is because trials are being conducted by the anti-terrorism courts….”

An assessment of some of the judgements where allegedly "known terrorists" were acquitted or set free by courts supports Justice Isa’s view. In July 2011, in a much-criticised decision, the Supreme Court granted post-arrest bail to Malik Ishaq, the leader of Lashkar-i-Jhangvi, after he had spent 13 years in jail. The express reason behind the grant of bail was not fear or sympathy, but lack of admissible evidence. The court stated “we cannot brutalise justice in the name of terrorism if no legally admissible evidence has been shown to us”. (Malik Ishaq was extra-judicially killed by police in July 2015.)

In another case, Sufi Mohammad, a cleric from Swat and chief of the banned Tehreek Nifaz-i-Shariat-i-Mohammadi, was acquitted of sedition and incitement to violence charges by an ATC in April 2015. The reasons given for acquittal included an unexplained delay of three months by the police in lodging an FIR after the alleged incident and the failure of the prosecution to produce any recordings or evidence of the allegedly seditious speech. (He is still facing trial for other charges.)

As these cases demonstrate, a major problem in convicting perpetrators of terrorism in Pakistan is the weakness of police investigations and prosecutorial efforts, which often do not provide the evidence necessary to meet legal thresholds for criminal conviction.

Empowering military courts to try terrorism cases does not acknowledge, let alone resolve, any of these problems. Instead, it is yet another example of the state’s resort to "exceptionalism" to justify a knee-jerk response to terrorism that Pakistan has been guilty of many times before.

Papering over cracks

The International Commission of Jurists’ 2009 global study on state responses to security threats examined in detail the dangers of the "exceptionalism doctrine", which justifies a departure from the normal legal processes and human rights protections on the basis of the "exceptional" character of the threat. In time, many of these measures became permanently incorporated into ordinary law, blinding governments to the actual reasons behind the lack of accountability for terrorism and serious crime.

The rationale for constituting military courts was stated to be an "extraordinary situation" that demanded "special measures for speedy trial". The same justification was given for the Protection of Pakistan Act, passed in July 2014 (just six months before the 21st Amendment), as well as the Anti-Terrorism Act, 1997.

The ATA, which promised "speedy justice" at the cost of some basic fair trial rights, progressively displaced the regular criminal justice system, with cases of ordinary murder, robbery, kidnapping and rape regularly being tried by special ATCs constituted under the act. Slowly, the "exception" became the norm, and the weaknesses in the operation of the regular criminal justice system remained unresolved.

The frustration with impunity for terrorism and serious crimes in Pakistan is legitimate, but there are no overnight solutions to a crisis caused by decades of neglect. Ensuring justice – as opposed to securing a large number of convictions without the fair and impartial adjudication of responsibility – will require major rethinking and reform of the criminal justice system. It will require learning from the successes and failures of other jurisdictions that face similar security threats; ensuring that minimum guarantees of the right to a fair trial are at all times protected; and drawing from the actual everyday experiences of judges, lawyers and investigators, not hasty, ill-conceived measures motivated by the desire for revenge at the cost of the fundamental principles of fairness.

The establishment of military courts does not provide any of these reforms. Their continuing operation does not help counter the very real terrorist threat facing Pakistan, but it will further erode the effectiveness of the country’s administration of justice and the rule of law.
 

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Not sure but this must be important as this is not the first time that the taliban has targeted charsadda court. Read the dates on below links.

Taliban bomb Charsadda court
| 17 killed, 30 hurt in suicide hit termed ‘revenge’ for Qadri hanging | PM vows to root out terrorism | KP CM, governor, others condemn attack
March 08, 2016/ 2 Comments
http://nation.com.pk/national/08-Mar-2016/taliban-bomb-charsadda-court


5 injured in IED blasts outside Charsadda court
By Mureeb Mohmand
Published: August 4, 2016

https://tribune.com.pk/story/1155403/5-injured-ied-blasts-outside-charsadda-court/

Then this is 100 percent military court... there they decide about good and bad tangos.
 

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Don't downgrade Bhutanese , Bhutan-Tibet army defeated destroyer of Nalanda Bakhtiyar Khilji so badly that he somehow return with mare 200 soldier , after launching expedition with 10-20k soldier.
Never meant to disrespect the Bhutani people whom I knw they are pretty awesome.

But unlike the blood thirsty "Buddhists" who live in a tiny Island near TN, these are guys actually care for the teachings of Gautam Buddha.
 

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Maybe it's time to rename the thread to

"Gazwa-e-hind 2017 by TTP on PAk".

These attacks might continue for some more time this year. The name is from the TTP video on this thread.
 

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Maybe it's time to rename the thread to

"Gazwa-e-hind 2017 by TTP on PAk".

These attacks might continue for some more time this year. The name is from the TTP video on this thread.
This is their own created situation. I hope world get full notice of what Pakistanis are doing. They have used tangos as instrument of foreign policy. Which is unacceptable.
 

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