Ex PAF Chief Says Qabail Raid Gave Kashmir To India

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  1. Kunal Biswas

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    [h=2]Ex PAF Chief Says Qabail Raid Gave Kashmir To India [/h]Srinagar, Oct 21,

    KONS: Stirring a hornet’s nest, former Pakistan Air Force chief, Air Marshal Asghar Khan, on Friday said that Kashmir had gone to India because the invasion by tribesman had forced the hand of the state’s Maharaja who, according to him, had otherwise favoured acceding to Pakistan. The Air Marshal’s remarks at a high-profile function in Islamabad, squarely blaming Pakistan for four unprovoked attacks on India and the creation of Bangladesh, sparked off a chorus of criticism from known establishment figures, notably former ISI chief, Gen Hamid Gul, who was pivotal in fashioning the nation’s disastrous jehad machinery, a phenomenon bringing Islamabad virtually to its knees.Releasing a book by former cricket star and Tehreek-e-Insaaf Party chief, Imran Khan, in Islamabad, the Air Marshal said that Pakistanis should remember their four successive attacks on India in case New Delhi retaliated in kind now due to mistakes of Pakistani leaders and army generals.“The tribal invasion of Kashmir was the first such attack, and this forced the hand of the Maharaja who had favoured acceding to Pakistan rather than to India,” the former Air Force chief said.“In fact, the Maharaja waited a full 21 days before taking a decision,” he said.“In 1965, Pakistan repeated the process by sneaking tanks into the Jammu region. I took the matter up with the then president, General Ayub Khan, but he expressed ignorance about the affair,” he said.The Air Marshal attributed the creation of Bangladesh to the mistakes of some Pakistani political leaders and army officers.“Had the majority there been allowed to form the government, East Pakistan would never have broken away,” he said. “Indian troops moved into East Pakistan only when our army was ruthlessly slaughtering Bengalis,” he said.“In 1999, Pakistan invaded India for the fourth time with its incursion into Kargil,” he said.Reacting to Asghar Khan’s remarks, former ISI chief Gen Hamid Gul, and retired diplomat Akram Zaki, described his words as a “distortion of history.”“How can you expect a person in his nineties to recollect details of the past accurately?” the duo said. “The Air Marshal’s words are far from the truth, having no bearing on historical facts,” they said.
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  3. thakur_ritesh

    thakur_ritesh Administrator Administrator

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    pakistanis curse him, but he has said this on a lot of earlier occasions as well. one video which did extensive circulation was:

    [h=1]Asghar Khan: India An Imagined Enemy[/h]
     
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    The Messiah Bow Before Me! Elite Member

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    Truth is the biggest enemy of paki elite.
     
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    "Having nuclear weapons is like playing with fire"

    I hope a day arises when the us two countries can discuss about limited use of these nuclear weapons. Although I feel goping in for nuclear weapons was a big mistake, especially because Pakistan didn't have them and China has a NFS use policy and also because the nuclear weapons are for the powers possessing nuclear power!
     
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    spiez how long dies it take to change policy or doctrine ?
     
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    I really don't no. But would love to see a non-nuclear weapons future.
     
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    Isn't it strange that all these gentle men speak in one tone when they are in service and say opposite when they retire , cant pakistanis see the distortion of history themselves.
     
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    Asghar Khan claims Pakistan attacked India four times since 1947

    Asghar Khan claims Pakistan attacked India four times since 1947
     
  10. Kunal Biswas

    Kunal Biswas Member of the Year 2011 Moderator

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    I think this is relevant..


    Cannot afford to match India militarily: Pak Defence Minister

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    Pakistan cannot afford to match the induction of modern weaponry by India, which possibly has a greater capacity to sustain a war, Pakistani Defence Minister Chaudhry Ahmad Mukhtar has said.

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    [TD="class: overviewfont, colspan: 2"] "If we only try to match them (India) militarily and buy the sort of armament which they have, we will probably not be able to afford it," Mukhtar said.

    Explaining his contention, he noted that India's economy is "six to seven times bigger than" Pakistan's and its trade volumes were "five to six times greater".

    "The capacity of India and Pakistan to fight was for 20 to 22 days. Now India has inducted a lot of armaments, may be they can last for 45 days, we will not be able to do so," Mukhtar said in an interview to BBC Urdu.

    He was responding to a question on whether the projection of India as Pakistan's greatest enemy was the root of the country's problems.

    Mukhtar noted that the two countries were taking steps to improve relations in the aftermath of the 2008 Mumbai terror attacks.

    "Slowly the process of meetings has started. People are going across the border. Nobody had ever thought they could walk suitcase in hand to Amritsar via Wagah but that is the reality now and it is happening," he said.

    This was happening, he said, "in spite of the fact that wars were fought, there were problems on the border and the Mumbai incident".

    Asked why an incident like the Mumbai attacks occurred whenever relations improved between the two countries, Mukhtar said: "It is very unfortunate that such incidents happen and they should not happen. But there are players who are behind these incidents."

    He did not give details about such elements but said some of them had been arrested and put on trial.

    Matters would improve when "we decide that religion and politics should not be mixed together", he said. "Let them go side by side. There should be no restrictions on religion which is between me and my God."

    Earlier this year, India and Pakistan revived their dialogue process, which was suspended for over two years in the wake of the Mumbai attacks which were carried out by Pakistan-based Lashkar-e-Taiba.

    In the wide-ranging interview, Mukhtar said Pakistani military wants a speedy probe into the failure to detect Osama bin Laden's presence in the country as well as the US raid that killed the al-Qaeda leader in Abbottabad on May 2.

    "The military wants the work to be completed quickly so that responsibility can be fixed and they can be punished... A security lapse is something for which a person can be punished.

    "I do not believe there was a security lapse in the Abbottabad case," he said.
    The Americans were "far too clever" and had superior intelligence and weaponry, he said.
    "We do not have the resources to have been able to stop them," he added.

    Even before the commission set up to probe bin Laden's presence had started working, some were condemning it, Mukhtar said.

    With a "big incident like this, one cannot make a hasty decision" as there is a need to carry out a thorough analysis and prevent another such incident, he said.

    The recommendations of the commission will be implemented. "Those responsible for negligence will have to answer, the government is capable of taking action," he added.

    Responding to a question about talks with the Taliban for finding a solution to the Afghan problem, Mukhtar said both the Afghan and Pakistani Taliban will be included in the parleys.

    "The government is aware where the Taliban and their institutions are located and there is no difficulty in meeting them. Talks will be held with all Taliban and the government knows where they live," he said.

    The Taliban travel to Saudi Arabia for talks and they have relations with Middle Eastern countries as well. They also have contacts with some religious bodies, he said, adding these contacts mature and reach to the state level.

    Without an understanding with the Afghan people, government and Taliban, there can be no solution to the Afghan problem, the minister said.
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    Kashmir came to India because it is an Indian state. The name of the state derives from the ancient mainstream Hindu rishi Kashyap. The language Kashmiri derives from Sanskrit-- like other Indian languages. Kashmiri pandits were the host civilization of the state that were kicked out due to lot of "tolerance". The other languages, Dogri, Ladhi and Ladakhi derive from Sanskrit as well.

    So how the hell does it become a Pakistani state in the first place? Islamizing the Kashmiri script with Urdu doesn't change the state's actual history.
     
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    Funny part is that no one can change history, exception is Pakistan, for their own nationals and they end up repeating it every time.
     
  13. Adux

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    India gave Pakistan, Kashmir, not the other way around. Nehru was a blithering idiot when it came to geo politics.
     
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    Its natural for both sides to repent now but he is right in a way. From Pakistani perspective, they lost out the opportunity to have the whole of Kashmir while it was still up for grabs back in 47.
    Instead of negotiating and pursuading the King/populace, Jinnah thrusted armed Kabailees into the restless and vulnerable state. His men were obviously not welcomed everywhere. Intruders were alien to most of the locals.
    There was no decisive mandate yet from either the King or the people (not atleast in India/Pak's favor). Pakistan's premature interference spooked them.
    With Pakistan opening the unprovoked armed barrage first, India got the grounds to put a lid to the incoming.

    Their method gave them half the state but made them lose remaining half as well.

    Regards,
    Virendra
     
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    Hove about word - " negligence " .
     
  16. mehwish92

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    What about Punjab? That's Sanskrit too. And Sindh? Hell, why not include Singapore, and Sri Lanka too? For all these names are derived from Sanskrit. And Kandahar/Gandhara? Malaysia, Thailand, etc. etc.
     
  17. Kunal Biswas

    Kunal Biswas Member of the Year 2011 Moderator

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    What is you point with language flame-bait in military related thread..

    Go PM him, Sort it out..
     
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    Non-nuclear weapons are already in use by USA. AESAS(Active Electronically Scanned Array) was used by USAF in Libya and is being used in
    Afghanistan. If you look up The Economist issue of October 15, 2011 you will find a detailed article in the Science and Technology section. I am positive that this was also used during OBL operation which tells why PA could not find the helicopters on their radar. They are going to use it in thenext operation in the region.

    It is significant improvement from the days of 1965 when our radar in the forward areas were jammed by Pakistanis with the American supplied system. Now it will be used against them to neutralize the stockpile of armaments and other assets. USA is taking inventory of the sites to be taken out in the first round followed by few other surgical strikes to put an end to so called deterrence. On Friday Secretary Hillary Clinton stated that Pakistan take action within "days and weeks" to dismantle HN from its soil warning failure to do so would have devastating consequences for all concerned.
     
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    Pakistan, itself, is a distortion in history!
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    I am not into the merits, but how about a staunch Islamic Sultanate Brunei, having a capital by the name of Bandar Seri Begawan. That is, Port Sri Bhagwan!
     
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    To be able to see the distortion of history means they have to acknowledge the "TRUTH". Truth always hurts. We should let them live in LA-LA land.
     
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