Europe should convert to Islam: Gaddafi

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  1. SHASH2K2

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    ROME: Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi's visit to Rome to mark the second anniversary of a friendship treaty with former coloniser Italy stumbled into controversy on Monday after he said Europe should convert to Islam.

    Gaddafi made the comments on Sunday during a lecture to 500 young women hired and paid by an agency to attend his lecture. "Islam should become the religion of all of Europe," one of the women quoted Gaddafi as saying in the Italian press.

    The agency paid the women, mainly students who hire themselves out for advertising of publicity events, $100 to attend and said it would not pay girls who gave their names to the press. It also told them to dress conservatively. About 200 women gathered at the Libyan cultural centre in Rome to attend a second lecture.

    It was the second time the leader — who travels with female bodyguards and fancies himself a self-styled feminist — had staged such an event for Italian women, recruited by a modeling agency and paid an undisclosed sum to attend.

    Michela, who did not disclose her last name, said three participants converted to Islam on the spot. "He gave us a copy of the Quran. Three girls converted themselves to Islam during the ceremony. It was a beautiful event."

    Other participants, though, identifying themselves as Roman Catholics in the overwhelmingly Catholic country, said Gaddafi urged others to convert and dismissed Christianity as unimportant.

    When Gaddafi was in Italy in November for a UN food summit, he hosted 200 young Italian women who had been recruited and paid $75 by the same modeling agency to attend. Then, too, he gave a lecture on Islam and handed out copies of the Quran.

    The lectures are "a new, humiliating violation of Italian women's dignity," opposition lawmaker and ex-health minister Rosy Bindi said. Gaddafi's show also caused discomfort within the coalition of PMSilvio Berlusconi, a close ally of the Libyan leader. "Gaddafi's words show his dangerous Islamisation project for Europe," said European MP Mario Borghezio of Northern League, junior partner in the coalition.
    Carlo Giovanardi, a government undersecretary, tried to stem the criticism, saying Gaddafi's words were simply "a remark made during a private meeting."

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  3. civfanatic

    civfanatic Retired Moderator

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    Though I don't support Gaddafi, I must say that he is quite a civilized gentleman compared to Berlusconi.
     
  4. The Messiah

    The Messiah Bow Before Me! Elite Member

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    ^ So no muslim conquest for how many centuries ?
     
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    Silent Jihad: Militant Islam’s Incremental Conquest of Europe

    by Bill Levinson

    Europeans need to wake up to the fact that militant “Muslims” are waging an incremental war of conquest against their countries and societies. Only the fact that some of these invaders lack patience for incremental conquest provides ample warning through violent rhetoric, threats, and behavior. The model for this incremental conquest seems well defined:

    (1) Infest the target country with militant “Islamic” immigrants, students, and so on to set up a beachhead for the takeover.

    (2) This advance guard does not, under any circumstances, assimilate with the surrounding society. Instead, it insists that the surrounding society conform to its desires and sensitivities. As examples, there are places in France where infidel women dare not walk without face-covering garments, and militant “Muslims” in England proclaimed that the Union Jack’s Saint George’s and Saint Andrew’s Crosses were offensive to their beliefs.

    (3) The advance guard sets up organizations like Muslim Student Associations and Islamic Student Associations. These in turn use university disciplinary systems, with the collusion of administrators and faculty members who lack the character, maturity, ethics, and integrity to exercise responsible authority over anything whatsoever, to censor criticism of militant “Islamic” behavior including that of the students in question. Needless to say, this advance guard is foremost in the propagation of so-called speech codes to prevent criticism or exposure of their behavior.

    Example of the above took place at Tufts University and Bucknell University, while militant “Muslims” made violent threats against Jews at various Canadian universities. Students who are subjected to disciplinary actions of this nature need to realize that many college administrators and faculty members have never held jobs outside of academia. While they may be eminently qualified to teach the academic material for which they are responsible, some of them are otherwise little more than middle-aged adolescents who lack the maturity to serve as role models or authority figures for young people.

    (4) “If we can’t get them [the Scots] out, we will breed them out.” So said Edward Longshanks in Braveheart, and militant “Islamic” immigrants follow this advice through demographic warfare. While most Euro-Americans have only as many children as they can comfortably support, militant “Muslims” breed indiscriminately to overwhelm the surrounding society. Palestinians breed indiscriminately to produce new crops of suicide bombers and to overwhelm Israel demographically the way cancer crowds out healthy tissue.

    (5) Once the population of militant “Muslims” has become large enough, it can agitate for separate and parallel Sharia legal systems. This is not speculation but fact, because such agitation has taken place in the United Kingdom and elsewhere. It can also agitate for so-called anti-hate laws to prevent any criticism of their behavior.

    (6) In conjunction with items 3 and 5, militant “Muslims” use oil money to suborn legislators, prosecutors, and judges to enforce anti-hate laws selectively against critics of Islamic supremacy, but not against militant “Muslims” who threaten Europe with another 9/11, call for the genocide of Jews (“Hamas, Hamas, Jews to the gas”), and use epithets like kafirs and infidels to refer to Christians. The fact that these laws are being enforced selectively leaves no explanation other than bribery and subornation of European legislatures and judicial systems. Americans would meanwhile recognize stories about crooked sheriffs who were on the payroll of a gang, a railroad that wanted to put its rivals out of business, cattlemen who wanted to get rid of the sheep herders, and so on.

    (7) Sharia-compliant banking is a clear-cut effort to control a good part of the world’s finances. Once militant “Muslims” gain control of enough of the financial sector, they can buy controlling interests in various businesses, which can then in turn refuse to hire Jews, Christians, Hindus, and other infidels. They can also buy controlling interests in news media to control what people are allowed to read and hear.

    Europeans and even North Americans need to wake up to the incremental war of conquest that militant “Islam” is being waged against them. If you live in Europe, your Member of Parliament, local prosecutor, or local judge may be receiving money under the table from foreign countries with enough oil wealth to buy entire legislatures and courts. If your MP voted to enact laws to punish any criticism of militant “Islam,” if a prosecutor enforces those laws against critics of Islamic supremacy but not against militant “Muslims” who call for extermination of Jews (or Europe), or if a judge enables those actions, militant “Muslims” may have greased an itching palm. We have seen in the United States that unusual or seemingly inexplicable behavior often indicates professionally unacceptable or even criminal behavior by government officials.

    * New York Attorney General (later Governor) Eliot Spitzer arguably misused his authority to threaten corporations with criminal indictments: a virtual death sentence in many cases. He later had to resign after he was caught patronizing a prostitute.

    * Luzerne County judge Mark Ciavarella had a long track record of telling juvenile defendants they didn’t need legal representation, and then sentenced them to juvenile detention facilities in which he allegedly had financial interests for extremely minor offenses. This was known in 2008 or even earlier, but only in 2009 was he caught on Federal corruption charges. He pled guilty to a felony and faces more than seven years in prison.

    * Illinois governor Rod Blagojevich did many strange things before he was caught trying to sell Barack Obama’s Senate seat.

    * Durham prosecutor Mike Nifong’s ongoing prosecution of three men on highly dubious rape charges was a matter of national attention long before he was disbarred for concealing exculpatory evidence.

    The enactment of laws to criminalize criticism of militant “Islam,” and these laws’ selective enforcement, should all be seen as symptoms of possible corruption and bribery on the part of those involved. To paraphrase the New Testament, one cannot serve both one’s country and Riyadh (or Tehran) at the same time. Europeans need to wake up to this fact, and take back their countries from the foreign invaders whose agenda is no different than that of Nazi Germany, except for the fact that they realize that an incremental conquest is more likely to succeed than a Blitzkrieg that draws immediate attention to an obvious threat.

    If anybody still does not believe us, these pictures will help. As we said, some of the militant “Islamic” invaders lack the patience for an incremental takeover.

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  6. roma

    roma NRI in Europe Senior Member

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    on the other hand it's taking decades for the turkish application to join the EU to be approved - thereby refusing to recognise them as being european
     
  7. vishal_lionheart

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    I don't understand what is the problem of this MODERATOR, he look cynical, take my every article personally. Using abusive language against ME.
    I never used my single word in whole ARTICLE. Here people can support GADDAFI, But cannot write against such personality?
    I am so sad, I again said Dont take personally.
     
  8. Singh

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    Gaddafi is a lunatic. He is about as pious a Muslim as Berlusconi is a Catholic.

    Here ya Go Gaddafi with his Entourage of Amazonian Bodyguards
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    Where is Vijaytripoli ? He lived in Libya he might be able to regale us with a few tales of Gaddafi's eccentricities :D
     
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    that old man and loser gadafi is upto the same thing again. just what good has islam and gadaffi done to libya?
     
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    Gaddafi is a f*cking joke.....nobody takes him seriously not even the Arabs.

    What Gaddafi says has about as much value as a stray dog.

    As for Bill Levison's article; I think the man is extrapolating way too far. Its true that Islamic communities are not integrating in Europe and they try to convert people thru intermarriages.....but Europe is never going to become a Muslim land.

    Thats because most Europeans would never accept Islam. In fact they are already starting to push back against Muslim communites in their midst and hardline right wing parties are on the march.
     
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    lol isn't this the same guy who wanted Kashmir a free country and UN-GA and UNSC shifted to New Delhi?

    Yeah he was that eccentric.
     
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    I would suggest Colonel Gaddafi convert to humanity first.
     
  13. Ray

    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    I presume Qaddafi was doing a Pope!

    Just as in the first millennium, the Cross was planted on the soil of Europe, and in the second on that of the Americas and Africa, we can pray that in the third Christian millennium a great harvest of faith will be reaped in this vast and vital continent, declared the Pope in Ecclesia in Asia that he released in Delhi in November, 1999. The synod is an ardent affirmation of faith in Jesus Christ the Saviour, and it remains a call to conversion, he told the assembled Bishops and Cardinals, He fervently endorsed the call of this Bishops, the heart of the Church in Asia will be restless until the whole of Asia finds its rest in the peace of Christ, the Risen Lord.

    Pope's call to harvest the souls in Asia

    The Pope issued the "Post-Synodal Apostolic Exhortation Ecclesia in Asia of the Holy Father John Paul II to The Bishops, Priests and Deacons, Men and Women in the Consecrated Life and All the Lay Faithful on Jesus Christ the Saviour and His Mission of Love and Service in Asia." You can find the full text at: http://seraphin.vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/apost_exhortations/ documents/hf_jp-ii_exh_06111999_ ecclesia-in-asia_en.html

    The Pope's Call

    The mad rush to convert by religions just to be supreme in the numbers and hardly of faith or so it seems!!

    Sad.

    Temporal over Spiritual!!
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    What is this then?

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    Yugoslavia and its breakup.

    Why do these westerner day dream even when they create such divisions?
     
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    Wars of Independence/Breakup following Tito's death:

    Near the death of the charismatic leader Tito, broad corruption, overspending, and infrastructural and economic decline became increasingly disastrous. The authority of Yugoslavia shifted from one of shared inter-ethnic cooperation to one of Serbian chauvinism from the monarchical period, or so most ex-Yugoslavs today angrily claim. As the Yugoslav government was centered at Serbia, "equal" constituent republic Slavic peoples affixed more and more blame to the self-interested and corrupt Serbs. Tito's death in 1980 exploited the hardships between these Slavic peoples. The Serbs still claim that it was the selfish autonomy interests of the Croats that caused the collapse, not any Serb hegemony. The Croats and Slovenes -- the first two to break free -- found great resentment to the fact that the majority of Yugoslavia's industry and economic power was in Croatia and Slovenia, and yet they were forced to pay taxes to and obey the whim of comparatively-impoverished Serbia. Serbia today remains far poorer than still-poor Croatia and quite-rich Slovenia, despite the fact that Belgrade was given total economic control.

    In 1997, Slobodan Milosevic ascended to power as the president of Yugoslavia. Instead of attempting reconciliation, he and other hard-line nationalists promoted "Yugoslavism," an ideology that sought to set aside local minority interests in the name of the state. Since the "state" was in many ways Serbia, this was felt by Croats and others to be mere hegemony and domination. One of the biggest problems was the problematic Albanian Muslim minority in Kosovo and throughout the federation, who frequently fought for statehood (independence) via jihad and terrorism, especially under the Kosovo Liberation Army. Internal schism forced the Serbs to become even more dominant and nationalistic.

    As a result, Slovenia and Croatia -- the two wealthiest regions of Yugoslavia -- declared independence in 1991. The Ten-Day War for Slovene independence saw a short but bloody war. Slovenia remains one of the cleanest and wealthiest countries in Europe, in contrast to the wicked poverty of Serbia. Croatia followed suit in the Croatian War of Independence, a horrific and bloody war in which thousands on both sides were killed, slaughtered, and displaced, leading to American claims of war crimes on both sides. Civilians were massacred in small family villages. The war between Croatia and Serbia continued until 1995, when the Croats with American and NATO support effectively expelled every Serb from the country. Ante Gotovina, the Croatian general, is criticized for using scorched earth and massacre tactics on Serbian civilians. Gotovina remains a hero in Croatia today, much like the Nazi Ante Pavelic is lionized still by many for repelling the Serbs. Croatia's former Serb-dominated territory of Srbija Krajina is now almost Serb-free due to the expulsions. Croatia was now broken, and "Yugoslavia" only included Serbia, Montenegro, Bosnia, and Serbian Kosovo. Macedonia broke off by 1993 without bloodshed from the Serbs.

    What followed was by far the worst portion of the Yugoslav Wars between the Serbs and Bosnians. Bosnia, which is 40% Muslim due to the legacy of forced and relegated conversion during Ottoman conquest, suffered some of the worst atrocities in the 20th century. Their "treason" from an increasingly-nationalistic Yugoslavia made them a particular target. Their polar quality of being "Muslim" (although a very liberal form thereof, and only a minority) made them victims of an even more smoldering discrimination. Muslim civilians and soldiers were reported as being raped, slaughtered, beheaded, starved, and killed, although tremendous exaggeration and unproved claims appear on all sides of this debate. Of course, Bosniak Muslims were guilty of equal atrocities, employing jihad and terrorist attacks against Serbian women and civilians at the same degree of brutality. The terrible war in Bosnia lasted from 1992 until 1995, when the Clinton-sponsored Dayton Accords established independent Bosnia. UN, NATO, and American forces kept the Serb militias out of Bosnian cities, and still occupy Bosnia today.

    Today, the republic of Bosnia-Herzegovina is divided tensely in three: the east, known as Republika Srpska (Republic of Serbia) is Serbian Christian, the southwest is Catholic Croatian, and the remainder is divided into a blend of all three groups, including Bosnian Christians and Bosnian Muslims (Bosniaks). The division in Bosnia today is evident in the fact that Republika Srpska even prints its own money. Officially, the national Muslim population of Bosnia is noted at roughly 40%, but the percentage of Islam in comparison with the entire population is offset by the large Serbian and Croatian population, thus setting the percentage of Islam among Bosnians higher than 40%. Bosnia's and Albania's Islam is less conservative than Turkey's Islam or other forms.

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    A cultural map of Bosnia. The difficult division of cultural and religious groups in today's Bosnia is clearly a result of the difficult internal Yugoslav wars. Note: the EHL is not the owner of this map. I was unable to isolate the original creator.

    By 1992 Yugoslavia was no more than de facto Serbia-Montenegro, though this would not be entirely apparent and recognized by the Serbs until 1995 or even later. The Muslim revolt of the Albanian minority in Serbia's Kosovo region -- as well as claims of war crimes in the revolting regions of Croatia and Bosnia -- caused the US to bomb Serbia for several weeks under the guise of NATO and UN peacekeeping action. The destruction of the Serbian army and airforce by American bombings exacerbated and ensured Yugoslavia's collapse, though a downward spiral was evident beforehand. Following the bombing, in which not a single American soldier was killed and hundreds or even thousands of Serbian civilians are often claimed to have been slain, the United States indirectly administered Kosovo as a UN-governed province. The overwhelming expenses and casualties endured by Serbia, US and NATO bombing, corruption, and total bankruptcy caused a new Serb (Yugoslav) regime to be elected by the end of 1999, when Milosevic was turned over to NATO for trial in the International Criminal Court for slaughter of Croatian, Bosnian, and Albanian [rebelling] civilians during the many wars the Balkans have suffered from 1991-2000. As it quickly became apparent that the concept of "Yugoslavia" was entirely meaningless as it referred now to no more than Serbia and Montenegro, a new name was adopted for the personal union of the two as "Serbia & Montenegro." Croatia, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Serbia-Montenegro, Slovenia, and Macedonia were now all independent states. Croatia today has largely refused to hand of its war heroes to international courts for human rights affairs, as has Serbia.

    In 2006, further, Montenegro of post-Yugoslav Serbia-Montenegro resolved its political weakness in Serb politics (due to its tiny comparative size) by declaring independence; Yugoslavia had ended for good. Many Montenegrins and Serbs today have no idea why their country declared independence, as many polls show overwhelming support for Serbia still today. Many consider it the work of politicians, as in the former Czechoslovakia. The Montenegrins are culturally, religiously, linguistically, and ethnically identical to Serbs, but have a distinct history that dates back nearly a millennium and remained the only state in the Balkans free of Ottoman rule indefinitely.

    Kosovo's Muslim Albanian independence wars:

    Read my article on the 510-year struggle for an Albanian homeland, and 552 for Kosovo to gain a fair and full understanding of the Albanian perspective on the Kosovo conflict.

    Albanians are the only Muslim-majority culture in Europe, occupying Albania, Macedonia, Montenegro and Kosovo. The region, never a nation, was divided by two Christian hill tribes -- the Tosk and Gheg -- who unified as Christians under Albanian national hero Gjergj Skanderbeg to resist the Islamic Jihad of the Ottoman Turkish empire. They failed, and after 400 years of strict occupation, the Albanians are today Muslim-majority. Despite the Serbian clash with Albanians and their mutual hatred, it was the Serbs who have ruled Kosovo as an integral part of their history and heritage for nearly 1,000 years. It was the Serbs who liberated Kosovo from Ottoman rule. Most of Serbia's most important historical triumphs occurred in Kosovo against Muslim conquest that the Serbs had never provoked. Read my Inside Albania article for a rare inside look at Albania, the hermit state of Europe. The American and Western claims of ethnic cleansing of Albanians by Serbs and other Slavs unfairly ignores the brutal violence, terrorism, and jihad that the Albanians in Kosovo performed to secure their independence as well. Both sides are guilty of brutal violence, religious persecution, and murder (see 2004: a bloody year in the Kosovo conflict). The Kosovars hoped to gain their independence just as Croatia and Slovenia were, resulting in an intese reprisal by the Serbian Christians against Kosovo.

    Having been seized from Serbia/Yugoslavia by 1999, the region, now protected by the United States and NATO, operated independently with almost no say to the nation from which it was taken. Independence calls continued, though failed to materialize because of the tenuious political implications of such an act of forced succession. Some (like the US) argued that Kosovo needed to be free in order to repair the horrors of Serbian genocide, despite the fact that Kosovars did the same to the Serbs. Others argued that the non-Serb, non-Christian population had a right to represent its own affairs. Some Muslims argued that a Muslim, independent nation should be established at any cost. Other Albanian nationalists wanted to re-establish a pan-Albanian nation, championing the largely ahistorical myth of an Illyrian/Epir Roman-era origin. There were disputes also in the size of this nation to be carved out of another country's sovereign land. Albanians demanded "Greater Albania" stretching from the border of Greece to central Serbia. America and the European Union only supported the claim to a small portion thereof (see the maps below). In 2008, Kosovo formally declared independence. Much of the world completely ignored or refused such an act, but the United States and the European Union recognize Kosovo as a new nation. The status of Kosovo will continue to be difficult, especially for Serbs who refuse to simply give up more than 10% of their national land as well as an integral part of their vivid Slavic Serbian national heritage. See the maps below (given above earlier).
    Euroheritage


    Qaddafi was doing exactly what the Pope was doing. So, why the outrage? It is but the call of religion of both the religions. Both were doing what was ordained by their religion.

    Strictly going by the religious norms, it is quite kosher!
     
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    pankaj nema Senior Member Senior Member

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    Why only Europe should convert, the whole world should be invited to convert to Islam.

    What about US, Russia ,China ,India.
     
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    shifted to NEW DELHI....?? i thought he said shift to Tripoli.....

    this guy is like a joke for the world and shame for the arabs.....even kings form far more conservative countries like saudi dont make such stupid speeches....
     
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    Because he is stupid and unfortunately leader of a country.
     
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    Time being wasted on a mad man. Come on guys, there are better things to discuss.
     
  20. Ray

    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    Actually there is nothing wrong about conversion so long as it is from the heart of the one who is converting.

    It is obvious that the good points of a religion have to be explained so that the person feels that switching will be spiritually beneficial.

    Evangelism is as old as the Abrahamic religions itself. Therefore, it is quite in line of the religious theory.

    To answer your question of Islam in the US, Russia, China and India, maybe this would help you on your way:
    Tablighi Jamaat: Recipe for an Islamic State

    Claimed to be from Website of Maulana Tariq Jamil of Tablighi Jamaat .

    Many such websites are available. However, one has to sift the wheat from the chaff. I have posted just one to satiate your curiosity and line of questioning.

    What is one man’s ‘truth’ can be another man’s ‘propaganda’ or disinformation.

    One must tread religious news with care!
     
  21. Solid Beast

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    These guys have people starving all over the country, yet they are worried about the philosophical dilemmas of the rich and successful. Another example of hypocrisy via Arab Islam.
     

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