EU could end China arms embargo early 2011

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  1. Parthy

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    A European Union arms embargo clamped on China in 1989 following the Tiananmen crackdown could be lifted in early 2011, Brussels sources told Thursday's edition of France's Le Figaro daily.

    The lifting of the embargo on all lethal weapons "could happen very quickly," a source close to EU foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton told the paper.

    An EU diplomat in Brussels refused to confirm the claim, but acknowledged that Ashton recommended as much in a report presented at a December 16-17 summit to the bloc's 27 national leaders.

    Ashton's report described the embargo as "a major impediment" to Europe-China security and foreign policy cooperation.

    "The EU should assess its practical implication and design a way forward," it concluded.

    Lifting the embargo would nevertheless require unanimity across EU member states.

    Spain recently tried to persuade opponents to lift the embargo, and the issue can be expected to come up again in mid-January when EU foreign ministers' hold informal talks in Hungary.

    "We will look into this," said the diplomat.

    The issue has re-emerged following talks between China and the EU in Beijing focused on economic and trade cooperation, at which China indicated it would support heavily indebted eurozone economies struggling to raise finance on open markets at affordable interest rates.

    An EU official insisted there was "nothing of an exchange or negotiation whatsoever" involving the arms embargo, stressing that there "nothing given in exchange for that support."

    Chinese ambassasor Song Zhe recently said "it doesn't make any sense to maintain the embargo," arguing that "we will develop our own arms even faster" and claiming that arms companies in Europe "are losing out."

    Europe was divided on the issue when it was discussed at a meeting of foreign ministers in September, with some mooting the idea of a conditional lifting of the embargo.

    Conditions included improved ties with Taiwan, an amnesty for arrests linked to the Tiananmen crackdown, and a calendar for the ratification of the convention on civil and political rights.

    The Figaro said that the Netherlands, Britain and, to a lesser extent, Germany, had each lowered their opposition to lifting the embargo.

    But another diplomatic source said Britain in particular remained set against alongside the US and Japan.

    Chinese troops and tanks ended weeks of pro-democracy protests in Beijing central Tiananmen Square on June 4, 1989, killing hundreds if not thousands of demonstators.


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    Europe Divided Over China Arms Sales

    Britain is on a collision course with the European Union over the sale of arms to China. Since the Beijing government crackdown on protestors in Tiananmen Square in 1989, EU member states have been banned from selling goods that could be used by the Chinese military.

    China’s new J-20 stealth fighter roars along the runway and takes to the skies, the maiden test-flight of a plane designed to rival the United States’ radar-eluding aircraft.

    Images of the flight, leaked on the Internet and subsequently confirmed as genuine by the Beijing government, have focused attention on China’s military modernization.

    The European Union banned the sale of military technology to China following the crackdown on dissidents in Beijing’s Tiananmen Square in 1989.

    But Alexander Neill of analyst group the Royal United Services Institute says China’s growing financial influence in Europe is starting to tell.

    "EU member states certainly feel pressured by China given the economic contagion, which seems to be spreading through the EU at the moment,” Neill said. “Many national leaders, I am sure, will think twice about how they engage the Chinese on investment, which is essentially bailing them out of elements of their economic doldrums."

    Beijing has just signed a series of multi-billion-dollar deals with European companies. China says it is also prepared to buy up to $7.9 billion of Spanish government debt at a time of heightened fears over the future of the euro currency.

    Many EU leaders, including the bloc’s foreign affairs chief Catherine Ashton, have suggested it is time the arms export ban to China was revised.

    Britain, while welcoming its own slice of Chinese investment, is at odds with EU countries that want to repeal the embargo."The U.K.’s position remains exactly as it has been over the last few years, which is now is not the right time to lift the ban," Neill stated.

    Chinese President Hu Jintao visited Washington earlier this month and sought to calm fears over China’s investment in its military. He says China does not engage in arms races or pose a military threat to any country and will never seek hegemony or pursue an expansionist policy.

    Despite military spending estimated at $78 billion in 2010, Alexander Neill says China’s armed forces still lag behind. "But there are areas of concern where China has managed to play catch-up with the United States,” he said. “Particularly in its high-tech and asymmetric capabilities."

    China’s J-20 stealth fighter is an example of such high-tech advances.


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  4. tgrhfei

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    the only thing they want is money!
     
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    Reminded of a hindi saying "saanp ko doodh pilana". EU cannot make a bigger mistake by selling weapons to china, they will not profit. Within a few years their clones will be out and they will not get any business. And more importantly, china is on a collision course with the west. EU thinking is not sound for petty short term gains.
     
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    An engineering firm my cousin works for are falling for a similar philosophy. Despite any short term profits that they can make in China, the company directors are hesitant at getting too involved in China. According to my cousin, the Chinese company they deal with introduce Chinese workers at every level of administration from which they take sensitive information/techniques etc and implement it in their own company.
     
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    “saanp ko doodh pilana”?can you explain it ..........
    in fact,we don't need their weapons anymore,we want their respect,it is unfair to treat a country like that.
    the world is complicated,but we want peace ,I don‘t think china is on a collision course with the west,we can work together to make a better future.
     
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    There isn't much point in thinking it since all 27 members have to agree to lift the ban. Of which will never happen.
     
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    Armand2REP CHINI EXPERT Veteran Member

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    Feeding milk to snakes... helping someone can be dangerous to you.

    You don't need them yet you still copy 50 year old French designs? Guess you are happy with obsolete military then.
     
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    It means giving milk to a snake. You may say all you want about peace but the actions speak louder than words and the world does not feel any comfort with Chinas intentions.
     
  12. tgrhfei

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    I don't think copy is a shame around the world,the US can copy british years ago,Japan can copy the US,south korea also copy the US。the world is so big,we can learn from eath other.
    I think indian also can copy anything from the world if you want ,you can try you best to make your country better ,no matter what way it is !
     
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    Both India and China are relatively new to sensor fusion. Considering none of our platforms are as highly capable as European jets, the need for both of us to engage Europe for their technology is a high priority.

    The Europeans want money and we want technology. It is a win-win situation in India's case, especially considering the level of ToT we may get. But not so with China. Nevertheless reverse engineering of core technologies related to sensor fusion is not possible. So, the Chinese may be able to copy a 90s 4th gen airframe, but not so with avionics and engines. The Chinese will not learn anything except waste money.

    The Chinese cannot do a J-11 with EF-2000, Gripen NG or Rafale and European defence firms know that. This way the Chinese will be able to access technology that they cannot use in their own platforms.

    By the time the sanctions are lifted, the Europeans will only sell obsolete aircraft to China while they themselves are busy inducting F-35s.

    I actually support the lifting of sanctions after we have signed the MRCA deal this year. Cheers.
     
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    thanks!
    our country has changed so much in the past ten years that our people can‘t feel comfort with it too,maybe we need more time。
    we want to build a powerful military because we want protect our people from war,we want peace just like you!
     
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    All those countries respect in large degree the IP rights of other nations, China does not. You cannot steal others ideas without compensation and expect respect.
     
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    Thread already exists and Europeans are not lifting Arms Embargo anytime soon:

    Check this out: http://defenceforumindia.com/showthread.php?t=17679&p=219434&viewfull=1#post219434
     
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    well when talking about this ,I suggest you read more history!
    you konw the world is ruled by developed countries,when they decided what is right,many developing countries will follow ,but indian and china are developing countries both with a huge population!you konw we are poor,indian also has many poor people,but we want our people have a better live,I think find a good way to improve our live is the most
    important,copy can save a lot of time and money to product cheap goods,I think Indian should also do it in that way,why should you follow what the developed countries told you?all you people want a better live,which is the most important thing !
     
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    India is growing fast and they don't do it based on stolen IP and cheap shoddy goods. They get enough of that from China. If no one respects IP, no one will bother to invent anything. What will you copy then?
     
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    China doesn't respect other countries sovereignty and patents.. Neither China a peace loving country, it threatens all its neighbors by force... Military might of China is not based on protecting its People and property, it just wanted to play a Global BOSS role initially in Asia and then with the whole world..

    That's the reason all the other countries starting from Tajikistan to US are worried about Chinese technology breakthrough's and other Military expansions!! Can you tell any other country except Pakistan & China who is worried about India's Military expansions??

    Chinese think-tanks has to revisit their policies and interests!!
     
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    well ,I don't understand how you guys got to know what we think about ourselves!
    again,we never want any war!
     
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    ok,indian is growing fast ,and very very very fast!
    super country!
     

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