Encircling China

[Ray]

"BBC News - 'More poor' in India than Africa" BBC News - 'More poor' in India than Africa

Guess why BBC was banned in China?

 

[J20!]

Guess why BBC was banned in China?

Fine, if you dont believe them, here one of your own:





New poverty index finds Indian states worse than Africa - Hindustan Times http://www.hindustantimes.com/world...states-worse-than-Africa/Article1-571783.aspx

 

[no smoking]

Thats the crap they teach you in CPP schools?
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No, that is the "crap" that chinese learned in india where they were travelling and living in india.

 

[no smoking]

Guess why BBC was banned in China?

Well, for most of chineses, banning "BBC" is not the end of world.

 

[mki]

Why do Indians on this forum insist on attacking every post they dont like, regardless of authenticity? China's per capita GDP is $5184, that's comparable to Thailand's, despite the fact that we have around a billion more people than they do. Whilst India's, on the other hand, is $1527, that's less than Nigeria's. So basically, India is Nigeria with a billion more people in terms of standard of living. The average Chinese citizen's standard of living, is over 3 times better than his Indian counterpart, relative to cost of living. And second, over the last two decades, China has pulled hundreds of millions of its people from below the poverty line, whilst in India:

So no my friend, fact, not "crap" as you so eloquently put it.

In that case Mexico have more GDP per capita then china... Mexico have $15121 and China have $ 5184... 3 times more the china.....
Even mistress can earn more then a person who have all the human rights and wishes.

Just earning more is not justification of freedom and happiness of the citizens. if you don't have basic human rights all money are just like a piece of papers.....

 

[TTCUSM]

"BBC News - 'More poor' in India than Africa" BBC News - 'More poor' in India than Africa

India has a population roughly the same as Africa crammed into a land area slightly larger than the Sudan.
What do you expect?

 

[J20!]

In that case Mexico have more GDP per capita then china... Mexico have $15121 and China have $ 5184... 3 times more the china.....
Even mistress can earn more then a person who have all the human rights and wishes.

Just earning more is not justification of freedom and happiness of the citizens. if you don't have basic human rights all money are just like a piece of papers.....

Did you know that basic human rights encompass: right to education, right to housing and right to ADEQUATE standard of living? So yes, I'd rather be able to feed myself and my children than be able to pick up a banner and call for democracy in Tiananmen Square. I honestly dont need to, but I DO need to eat well and enjoy certain comforts. I'm sure that illiterate starving dude in India somewhere agrees that he'd swap his "freedom" to demonstrate for a better standard of living. All that "freedom" isn't doing him much good right now anyway is it?

 

[Ray]

Did you know that basic human rights encompass: right to education, right to housing and right to ADEQUATE standard of living? So yes, I'd rather be able to feed myself and my children than be able to pick up a banner and call for democracy in Tiananmen Square. I honestly dont need to, but I DO need to eat well and enjoy certain comforts. I'm sure that illiterate starving dude in India somewhere agrees that he'd swap his "freedom" to demonstrate for a better standard of living. All that "freedom" isn't doing him much good right now anyway is it?

I don't think that the Indian dude would swap living in a glided cage forsaking his freedom as an individual.

I think that comes from a mindset that has had conquerors along their history perpetuating horrors while giving a gilded cage to those who were in favour!

Indians, I presume, have learnt the beauty and importance of freedom.

Food is important, but the various methods developed over history has made food not that material as to other people. Fasting has been given religious connotations. Hindus fast, Muslims fast and so do Christians (Lent).

The religions also encourage austere living.

Of course, such historical practices maybe the Chinese have not had the opportunity to realise since China has always been a benign and a gentle country.

 

[Ray]

Fine, if you dont believe them, here one of your own:





New poverty index finds Indian states worse than Africa - Hindustan Times New poverty index finds Indian states worse than Africa - Hindustan Times

And the report has emerged from where?

Worthy of note

The new index was created by the Oxford Poverty and Human Development Initiative (OPHI) at Oxford University in southern England, and the Human Development Report Office of the United Nations Development Programme (UNDP).

"Our measure identifies the most vulnerable households and groups and enables us to understand exactly which deprivations afflict their lives," said OPHI director Sabina Alkire.

The Indian Govt with all the infrastructure and apparatus has not been able to identify the BPL families and yet, UNDP has been able to do so!!

What were the parameters?

 

[Bhadra]

Did you know that basic human rights encompass: right to education, right to housing and right to ADEQUATE standard of living? So yes, I'd rather be able to feed myself and my children than be able to pick up a banner and call for democracy in Tiananmen Square. I honestly dont need to, but I DO need to eat well and enjoy certain comforts. I'm sure that illiterate starving dude in India somewhere agrees that he'd swap his "freedom" to demonstrate for a better standard of living. All that "freedom" isn't doing him much good right now anyway is it?

George Orwell story of "Animal Farm"....

 

[Bhadra]

Did you know that basic human rights encompass: right to education, right to housing and right to ADEQUATE standard of living? So yes, I'd rather be able to feed myself and my children than be able to pick up a banner and call for democracy in Tiananmen Square. I honestly dont need to, but I DO need to eat well and enjoy certain comforts. I'm sure that illiterate starving dude in India somewhere agrees that he'd swap his "freedom" to demonstrate for a better standard of living. All that "freedom" isn't doing him much good right now anyway is it?

The fundamental Marxist theory is self actualisation,realisation and development of individual idealistically. The material well being is the foundation towards freedom of individual. But your idea is of feeding well like pigs but not able to do any thing beyond that. That is slavery. Right to education means much more than right to be able to read and write. Adequate standard of living encompasses right to dissent, freedom of speech and right to form political parties.

 

[Virendra]

More than a tactical shift? - The Times of India

Excerpts:
The recent visit by China's Supreme Councillor and special representative Dai Bingguo for the 15th round of border talks was marked by uncharacteristic bonhomie. Even making allowances for extra warmth shown by his host Shivshankar Menon and reciprocated by Dai during his farewell visit - he retires later this year - the near bhai-bhai spirit of the trip hints at a deeper change in relationship. After flexing its muscles for two years and watching with concern the slow coalescence of resistance to its power, China seems to have readjusted its trajectory. Fence-mending with India, its largest neighbour and a potential member of an opposing bloc, has become a new priority. Time will tell if this is a tactical shift or a strategic reorientation...
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...The Chinese have told Indian diplomats that they worry that the US is trying to prevent China's rise by lowering the value of the dollar (thus weakening China's vast dollar-denominated assets) and subverting its socialist society through promotion of toxic ideology and culture through the internet. In the face of multiple threats and challenges, China seems to have concluded that mending relations with India and making common cause on issues they agree upon would be a wise course of action. India has to see if Chinese overtures are more than a mere tactical shift.
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Regards,
Virendra

 

[Ray]

The Chinese have told Indian diplomats that they worry that the US is trying to prevent China's rise by lowering the value of the dollar (thus weakening China's vast dollar-denominated assets) and subverting its socialist society through promotion of toxic ideology and culture through the internet. In the face of multiple threats and challenges, China seems to have concluded that mending relations with India and making common cause on issues they agree upon would be a wise course of action. India has to see if Chinese overtures are more than a mere tactical shift.

so, it is all against the US that is encircling China and making it impotent?

 

[Virendra]

I believe both want to portay each other as hegemonic. ASEAN nations have recently had their "wake up and smell the coffee" moments over China.
For example - Breaking the tradition, latest Military Chief of Myanmar has gone to Vietnam on his first visit instead of China.
Like in Nepal, Prachand went to China after his ceremony instead of the usual practice of State head visiting India as the first nation.

Regards,
Virendra

 

[spikey360]

man! J20 seems very happy! Let us not break his world friends. Yup, let us be paupers, as long as we can hold our heads high, it doesn't really bother us.

 

[Bangalorean]

The Chinese members here need to understand that India started economic reforms nearly 15 years after the Chinese did. I have said this time and again, but somehow the Chinese members fail to grasp this. The reason China is around a decade and a half ahead of India has nothing to do with the "great" CCP or great "Chinese model". It has to do with the head start that the Chinese had, thanks to Deng Xiaoping. If that goon Mao had been alive till 2000, India would have been ahead of China today in almost all parameters.

That is the truth. Extrapolate India's growth (in all parameters) over the next 10-15 years, and you will see it approaching Chinese levels as of today.

 

[Ray]

China is doing well and that must be acknowledged.

However, with what the US is doing around the IOR and Asia Pacific, there is little doubt that US is encircling China and sanitising the area from Chinese influence.

The nations around are also aware that there are greater advantage that can be gleaned from the US than from China and the overtures of China in these regions does not auger well and is definitely making life a tad bit dangerous and depriving!

 

[ice berg]

The Chinese members here need to understand that India started economic reforms nearly 15 years after the Chinese did. I have said this time and again, but somehow the Chinese members fail to grasp this. The reason China is around a decade and a half ahead of India has nothing to do with the "great" CCP or great "Chinese model". It has to do with the head start that the Chinese had, thanks to Deng Xiaoping. If that goon Mao had been alive till 2000, India would have been ahead of China today in almost all parameters.

That is the truth. Extrapolate India's growth (in all parameters) over the next 10-15 years, and you will see it approaching Chinese levels as of today.

Head start? Funny, consider that Indian GDP was bigger than Chinas when the CCP took over. India was in a much better shape than a war torned China.
Now the chinese economy is several times larger.

It was India who had an head start, not China.

You wasted it, end of story.

 

[Ray]

Head start? Funny, consider that Indian GDP was bigger than Chinas when the CCP took over. India was in a much better shape than a war torned China.
Now the chinese economy is several times larger.

It was India who had an head start, not China.

You wasted it, end of story.

China is Mohammed Ali, the greatest!

But its heading the Mohammed Ali way!

 

[Dovah]

Head start? Funny, consider that Indian GDP was bigger than Chinas when the CCP took over. India was in a much better shape than a war torned China.
Now the chinese economy is several times larger.

It was India who had an head start, not China.

You wasted it, end of story.

Read the post you quoted again, the poster a 15 year head-start in starting the reforms. We did it in 1991 when our economy had almost tanked. And I think its too early to be speaking of squandered opportunities, the show is not over.