Election 2014

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  1. GPM

    GPM Tihar Jail Banned

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    Election 2014- likely issues.

    You might say 2014 is 3 years away. Yeah. But who knows? With the way Cong is lurching from crisis, scam to scam, it might be earlier than 2014. Again who knows?

    Rahul JI says: Such terror attacks like the latest, cannot be stopped. And Abhishek Manu Singhvi agrees with this. Soon Diggy too will join in.Even mild mannered Nitish has condemned the statements of Rahul JEE and PC JEE.[today's TV news].

    PM declares that govt will do all it can to control terrorism. All it can? Not all that has to be done? We know what all it can translates to on the ground. NOTHING.

    PC pats himself on the back: See for 26 months, Mumbai had no terror attacks!! He also blames the intelligence failure. PC, we can see what has happened. He was quick to declare it as a state subject. But terror is pan Indian issue, that he does not want to see. Moreover, other UPA partners have far from supported the govt line. Haha. 24 hours later PC denies it was intelligence failure but was a case of NO intelligence!!! As if that is not a failure. Poor man, he has been rattled by scams and now 13/7.

    Cong is unwilling to take poiltical and moral responsibility to fight the battle against terrorism and corruption.

    In contrast, BJP is definitely a hardliner on these issues. Advani says terror attacks CAN be stopped. Modi says, if we are strong enough, all terror can be tackled, meaning we are not strong enough and Congi is responsible.Thus Cong is shown, rightly or wrongly, to be abdicating the responsiblity.



    Narendra Modi asks India to stand united in destroying terrorist forces[/URL]

    Same is story of issue of corruption. Whatever the rights or wrongs, so far Cong is seen to be shying away from even an effort. If Ramdev demands that black money stashed abroad should be brought back, Cong questions his sources of info, source of donations to him, even ridiculing Yoga, acknowledged world wide. Congi even asked for ITR of Anna Hazare!! They tried to accuse him of scams. La la. Nothing came of these efforts.

    In short, Cong is seen to be beating every bush in site, except those in its own backyard.

    With top leadership of Cong thus shown to be useless, rather liabilities, what has BJP to offer? Oh no. Not Advani. He is too old, though might still be good enough. But Modi MIGHT as well emerge as a candidate. Who knows. If Congi tries to make anti terrorism and anti corruption issues as Hindutva issues, it can backfire too. After all, aam Hindu sees nothing wrong with Modi. So, personal attacks on him might solidify his position even.

    He has all that which no Cong leader can claim. He has ZERO tolerance for terrorism, which is viewed amibivalently by Cong. He is incorrtuptible, and every Congi man seems to be corrupt.

    If BJP is serious, it will not let these twin issues die easily. Only then there might be a ground swell against Congi.
     
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    arya Senior Member Senior Member

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    I wihs now indian pepoles should reject voting
     
  4. Yusuf

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    Terror WAS an issue in the last election too. Much hue and cry was made out of it, so much so that Modi suddenly became a PM candidate. Last time the memory of 26/11 was fresh as elections happened very shortly after that. People are either indifferent to terror or wary about indifference in both leading parties.
     
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    No terror was not a much of an issue. But this time it might be. Corruption was never an issue, but now it might be. Modi was not a PM candidate, this time around he might be. Maybe people were dismayed that Modi was not PM candidate, if becomes candidate next time, there could very well be a groundswell in his favour. Like it or not Modi is an icon across India. BJP last time did not hammer these issues, this time it might.

    You cannot rule out any possibility, can you?
     
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    Nothing can be ruled out in politics.

    You are wrong about Modi. During the latter stages of the election campaign, Modi's name started to float. Made many in BJP itself uncomfortable including Jaitley and Swaraj.
     
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    There is a difference between rumours, inspired at that, and a firm declaration. Of course Sushma and Jaitly were uncomfortable, But they are nowhere Modi's popularity. They seen to be honest, Modi is known to be honest. I think they too would fall in line.
     
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    Modi is seen as a divisive factor in the BJP itself. Why else hasn't he come to national politics yet. Why was his name not even mentioned for party president?

    Problem for the BJP is from the within. This is where Congress wins. Just Sonia and her decision. For BJP, there are many power centers which pulls the party down.
     
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    All that is because Modi has not been declared PM candidate. He definitely is not interested in party top post. If he does become candidate, rest assured his will writ will run in the party, just like in Gujarat. Some people in BJP don't want him, not because is divisive, but because he is a Strong Man.
     
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    Because they cannot see him rising to name and fame so fast. They just know that no other person in BJP has got what Modi has in terms of leadership. Apart from transforming the entire country, the man will be a doomsday for Pakistan and PLA needling in our territory.

    I seriously wish the man becomes PM. If MMS has the capability to become PM twice and take no action against anti-national forces being a remote controlled toy in Maino Madam's hands, then Modi certainly has the credibility to not just become PM but become so thrice.
     
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    The Messiah Bow Before Me! Elite Member

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    Politics is a 'dirty' business now. Without dirtying one's hands you cannot achieve anything in politics.

    I have no faith in any politician or party to put forward concrete steps for self reliance or take a strong stance against outside forces.

    All this bickering about congress-bjp is useless...neither is really any better than the other.
     
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    If neither party is better than each other then whats the point of elections which implies whats the point of democracy?

    What has hopelessness ever achieved?

    The problem does not lie in two parties.Two parties are everywhere around the globe.
    Is Conservative Party better than Labour party or Democratic Party better than Republican Party?


    Our problem is that we don't recycle our leaders enough and more importantly we don't punish leaders who fail.The personality factor is rooted too deep in voter mindset and which plays a crucial role when we vote. So instead of offering an agenda, our parties offer us leaders and we lap it up.If a big politician makes a mistake, then our parties spend their energy in whitewashing his activities rather than admitting his mistakes and working to improve.This is because big politicians are irreplaceable for parties, agenda and more importantly action is replaceable. And thus our parties have perfected the art of blaming and shifting responsibility and oh yes the art of nostalgia and secular/communal blame game.And we thus swayed by them forget their deeds or sometimes because of hopelessness show plain indifference that helps them to continue their game.What was the voting percentage in Mumbai in last LS election -37% I guess.

    There are good leaders in both the parties. But the dead wood in both parties overshadows them all.And it is because of us only.

    On a side note but equally relevant we need Lokpal.
     
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    ANYTHING EXCEPT THESE LOONIES


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    Completely agree,however 'we' the people who exercise our adult franchise are only partly to be blamed for the serious lacuna in credible leadership in most representative political parties,infact a significant blame must be laid at the door steps of these political parties for not devising mechanism where the party leadership is elected only by the grassroot workers and long time genuine members of the party,a mechanism which involves a democratic contest between party members of a certian serious standing among the rank and file,through a secret ballot, overseen by a genuine neutral authority like the CEC.

    With the exception of the BJP and the left parties,no major political party has any mechanism where genuine leadership rises from the ranks all the way to the top.Most have given themselves over to divine right to hereditary succession,else its personality worship,sycophancy is the only means to earn leadership.

    The 'transparency revolution',to quote Mr A.K Anthony,that is sweeping India must not be restricted to the sphere of public accountability of the national Exchequer,rather it must also be extended to political parties,because they too are a national institution and the people have the right to demand institutionalized transparency in the conduct of their respective party affairs.

    Good leaders,grounded in ideology and firm in their leadership commitments, will only emerge if an atmosphere exist within the hierarchy of the party organization, where such leadership is recognized and rewarded.Ordinary people like us, outside the organization, have no way of identifying them by ourselves,except to asses what the parties throw up.Hence its incumbent that political parties establish mechanisms where they only throw up good leaders for us to pick.
     
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    A week is a long time in politics and here we are talking about 2014
     
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    Completely agree- a mechanism like this is needed to ensure new leaders come up.
    So that our parties can become like Democrats and Republicans , and we can see new leaders with new ideas and new style of action.
    Actually though CEC does mandate holding regular elections for the post of party president. What our leaders do, is that they send a copy of unanimous decsion taken by office bearers selecting a new president.See evasion of responsibility starts from here:pound:..
     
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    The internal organizational elections regularly held in various political parties are just a facade,which will not stand the scrutiny of any standard of genuine democratic exercise.The exercise in arriving at unanimous decision is merely an instrument devised to curb internal dissent,the open forum elections are a veiled threat to the rank and file to not upset the hereditary status quo,lest they wish to incur isolation.
     
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    Will state funding of elections and putting all party elections under EC watch help? I think it would. Worth a try.
     
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    This should help.
    Lots of cash flows in elections. Contesting an election is a costly affair. So candidates and parties take money from businessmen and criminals and shower them with benefits when they win.
    A state funding of elections coupled with strict monitoring of candidate's expenses would help honest candidates as they wont need to take money from unscrupulous elements and hence would be free from any compulsions.
     
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    well i think if congress does better in up(well probability is highest) then congress would win 2014 and bjp would loose even if theu do so good in up elections because they lack bjd+tdp+any party from tamilnadu and offcourse they are going to get less seat in maharashtra so any how they would losse unless and until they attracts BJD+TDP and others
     

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