Egyptian mufti regards Indian Muslim community as role models

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  1. ejazr

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    Terror does not know any faith: Grand Mufti

    Egypt’s Grand Mufti Ali Gomaa on Wednesday said “terror does not know any faith” and Muslims involved in terror attacks are “an unstable minority” that “does not represent the face of Islam”.

    Speaking to The Indian Express via a translator, the Grand Mufti of Dar Al-Ifta, on his first visit to India, said: “Terror can never be identified with a particular faith. Terror does not know any faith. Though some terror attacks have been undertaken by Muslims, this is a nominal group. This is an unstable minority and does not represent the face of Islam.”

    “Why criminalise an entire faith because of the reckless actions of a small minority? Terror is our common enemy. We have to join hands to eradicate this disease because when terror comes it does not differentiate between Muslim and non-Muslim,” he said.

    The Dar-al-Ifta al Misriyyah was established in 1895 with the purpose of being the supreme arbitrator of Islamic legal opinion.

    The Grand Mufti asked counterparts in religious universities to visit Cairo for deepening of relations.

    “Islam is no stranger to Indian soil even though Muslims are a minority. This minority is still double the population of Egypt. Muslims have integrated positively in India. We see them in the highest political offices. In Egypt, we regard the Indian Muslim community as a role model... It is important to revitalise cooperation between Indian and Egyptian Muslims.”
     
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    No, this will not be tolerated. Pakistan is the Thakedar and Lamberdar of Islam and the world should follow Pakistan.
     
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    LOL hahahhahahhahahahahahha......Now we will find Failed State jihadi blowing themselves up at every Egyptian embassy and centers, all over the world.....man these pakistani punjabis are the "freaks and crazies" of the world :D
     
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    Finally some good words from the Arab world towards Indian Muslims.
     
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    Very sorry guys I could not take this news with a very positive mind. There is nothing like cooperating with Indian muslims. Either u be a friend of India ( with all religion, cast creed) otherwise stay away from us. There is nothing called "Indian muslims" U only have Indians to befriend or make an enmity with. Take it or FO.
     
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    Actually India has good relations with Egypt and most Arab countries in general from the very beginning. Egypt's Nasser and India's Indira were among the founder's of the NAM and shared an excellent rapport with each other.

    Most Arab states that were alinged with the Soviet or were atlest Arab nationalist in outlook had close ties with India including Iraq, Syria and Yemen among others. The GCC countries although more closer to the US and aligned to them politically had favourable trade ties and no direct geopolitcal conflicts that would have an adverse impact in ties with India.

    Iran was infact one of the first countries with which we actually signed a security co-operation agreement under the NDA govt. in 2003.

    @blade You should read the news in neutral mind if not a postive one. The context is very clear, Egypt has a very serious problem of extremists and terrorists using Islam as a political weapon. Infact, one of the early ideolouges like Syed Qutb was an Egyptian. However, in India the traditional Islamic studies have a strong root and the ulema in general have opposed the use of political Islam using thematic and traditional Islamic teachings. It is in this context that you see the Mufti talking about the importance of improving the connection between Indian and Egyptian muslims so as to have a moderating impact on their society. And in this context it should be something that I believe all Indians should be proud of. It is probably less known among Indian non-muslims that Indian Muslim scholars are very well respected in the Arab world and many of their books and works are used as teaching aids in Islamic schools even in Arab countries.

    Other than that, Indians in general are always welcome as I explained in the earlier part of my post. Bollywood movies are popular and Indian politcal leaders like Nehru and Indira are famous even now. The Arab League as a bloc is the largest trading bloc for India with about $140B annually. The expat community living in GCC consits of a large number of non-muslim Indians. And the UAE, Oman and Bahrain have even given government land free to build temples and Gurudwaras.
     
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    The partners of peace

    Ali Gomaa

    The terror attacks that shook America over 10 years ago left a scar on the face of world diplomacy and an obstacle hampering attempts to bring peace to our ailing planet through a much needed inter-religious dialogue.

    9/11, the day on which 3,000 civilians were killed, marked the beginning of a struggle by Muslims to integrate into the world, particularly the West. The brutal attack, carried out by a few misled minds claiming to be fighting in the name of God, tarnished a great deal of the image of Islam. And as Muslims fight to crystallise the differences between radicalism and the noble teachings of Islam, western and eastern officials and commentators are baffled, wondering, "Where are the moderates?"

    With only extremism highlighted, thanks to acts perpetuated by a few radicals, many are eager to see moderate representatives of the noble religion of Islam stand out in the Muslim world, and rise as partners for peace.

    Reconciling Islam with the modern world has been particularly imperative for Muslims in a set of continuous attempts dating back to the 19th century, when what became known as the Islamic reform movement sprouted within Al Azhar University in Cairo, the chief institution for Islamic learning in the world.

    At Dar al Ifta, Egypt's supreme body for Islamic legal edicts over which i preside, we're in a continuous struggle to apply Islam to modern life. That's not because Islam doesn't fit in our modern times, for Islam is universal; the challenge lies in trying to find solutions to modern problems from within the Islamic doctrine, and consequently deriving new rulings from Islamic law pertaining to their application. We issue thousands of fatwas or authoritative legal edicts - for example, ensuring the right of women to dignity, education and employment, and to hold political office, and condemning violence against them.

    We have upheld the right of freedom of conscience, and of freedom of expression within the bounds of common decency. We have promoted the common ground that exists between Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism and other eastern religions. We unequivocally condemned violence against civilians during Egypt's own struggle against terrorism in the 1980s and the 1990s, and following the heinous crime of 9/11 and, most recently, the horrific church bombing that shook Alexandria a few days ago. We continue to do so in public debates with those who uphold extremist views of Islam; in training students from all over the world at Egypt's theological institutions; and also in our counselling of captured terrorists.

    As the head of one of the leading Islamic authorities in the world, let me restate: The murder of civilians is a crime against humanity and God, punishable in this life and the hereafter.

    While we must strive to reinforce the common principles that we share, we must also accept differences in our values and in our outlook. Islam and Indian civilisations have distinct value systems. Respect for our differences is a foundation for coexistence, and never for conflict.

    Since his historic election more than two years ago, President Barack Obama has made it a point to reach out to the Muslim world. These overtures have been heard and welcomed by many including our Indian partners. But practical steps are needed to turn good intentions into a sustained relationship of mutual trust and respect.

    Firstly, for Islam to be an active and moderate player in today's world, certified Muslim clerics must be recognised as the ones who speak for Islam. Too often, the media succumbs to the temptation to treat as Muslims those extremists who are representatives of nobody but themselves. We share the blame. The time has come for Muslim clerics to be more vocal and professional in their approach.

    Already, massive headway is being made throughout the Muslim world in educating preachers and students of Islam, helping them engage more productively with the modern world. Meanwhile, Muslim clerics are reaching out internationally to take hold of inter-religious dialogue and improve interfaith relations, such as the Common Word and the C1 World Dialogue initiative.

    Secondly, it is necessary for our dialogue to be multifaceted. Beyond the immediate call to improve relations, there is a dire need to make our dialogue comprehensive, including scientific, cultural, economic and technological discourses. There should be stronger ties between Indian and Egyptian universities, research facilities and students.

    Thirdly, a wise and balanced foreign policy should be the basis for improved relations. For the Muslim world, and particularly the clerical community, it is important that the rule of law prevail during times of conflict. There should be concerted efforts on both sides to respect international law and UN resolutions. Most immediately, this needs to be applied to the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. A universal recognition of Israel can only be contingent on the Palestinian refugees' right of return and restoration of the occupied lands.

    Even though it is a cliche to say that dialogue is a two-way street, it remains a fundamental point that is at risk of being lost. The responsibility of an improved relationship between the Muslim world and India falls on both sides. I feel that this is not only possible, but also the only hope for a brighter and more prosperous future for our children and grandchildren. With cooperation and respect, no task has been impossible for man.

    The writer is the Grand Mufti of Egypt.
     
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    Islamic world should first accept that there are some problem then only they can solve the problem.

    Good to see second time Indian Muslim got good remark. This should come in the front news paper so our Muslim should proud on this and more vocal to protect this image. Its good for country and all people.
     
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    ^^ 100% Agree. This should especially be accepted by Pakistanis and Afghans. Unless they accept that their community has the problem, they will continue to make others' lives hell.
     
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    THE ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN- created because of the concern that minorities won't be given equal standing in India. Ironically- created a country where minorities are treated like 2nd class citizens and SEVERAL of its own Islamic factions are called non -Muslims. On the other hand India allows every sect of Islam to be practiced! India is more pro Islam than Pakistan , heh.
     
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    No surprise there. Thats the beauty of secularism, it teaches members of different faiths to be respectful and tolerant of others.
     
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    That's not secularism, which is just separation of State and religion !

    This is....Indianism ;)
     
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    I dont want to rag on Muslims on this website, but its always the same story - it gets really old after a while.

    Muslim leaders and intellectuals are always the biggest champions for tolerance, understanding, equal-rights, etc, etc, etc.......but only when they are in the minority status dealing with a non-Muslim majority.

    When Muslims are in the Majority, then you see their real face. Non-Muslim minorities are reduced to 2nd, 3rd class citizens and in many cases threatened with violence, forced conversions, intimidation, and their most basic human rights trampled and in some cases even killed and exterminated. This is standard for almost every Muslim majority country with any non-Muslim population. You can go thru every Muslim country in the world and it is the same.

    They want to build mosques all over the non-Muslim world and spread their religion, but try to get a permit to build a church, or temple, or synagogue in a Muslim country.

    Sudan, Nigeria, Egypt, Turkey, Pakistan, Saudi, Iran, Malaysia, Indonesia, Bangladesh.......the list is endless. There is not 1 Muslim majority country in this world that treats non-muslim minorities equally, and fairly without any discrimination.

    Someone should tell the Grand Mufti of Egypt that this bullshit simply does not wash anymore. Muslims will argue that this issue is caused by other problems like corruption, bad governance, etc. The simple fact is that it starts with Muslims and ends with them.

    3 weeks ago the small minority Egyptian Coptic Christians who are one of the oldest Christian tribes in the world had massive riots protesting against religious discrimination and violence. And now the Grand Mufti of Egypt is lecturing us on tolerance - too funny !!
     
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    In the words of captain haddock: blistering barnacles!
     
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    Thanks, I had the wrong idea of secularism in my head. Anyway you understood what I meant. :)
     
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    Ernesto, the report of muslims attending Xmass mass in Alexandria was reported by only one site, which got circulated on many pro-islamic sites, blogs and pro-Palestinian sites, liberal-apologist sites et al, and this was not reported by any credible (news) media house, the whole news cud be made up, and no evidence of this incident has been reported by main-stream media!!

    There have been reports suggesting that the Egyptian police could be involved in these bombings, hence, exposing nexus between Jihadis, Govt. and locals!!
     
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    One of my relatives was in holiday there and witnessed it himself and informed me about it. I didn't know about it either.

    Western/mainstream media is as bias as it gets...if it doesn't fit the script then dont print it. Story is true unless my relative is blatant liar!

    Slightly different but this should shed light on how western media works :mod:

    http://defenceforumindia.com/showthread.php?t=17617
     
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    Ernesto........I am not for a minute saying that every Muslim individual supports the idea of treating non-Muslim minorities like 2nd and 3rd class citizens, or the use of violence against them.

    For sure there are millions of very decent Muslims all over the world who firmly believe in human-rights, and protecting their minorities, etc.
    But they are silent, frightened to voice their opinion, or in some cases killed for their beliefs like in Pakistan, or just plain indifferent.

    The issue here is that this not just specific to Egypt, nor is it some Western Media conspiracy - it is a fundamental feature of all Muslim majority countries.

    Yes, there are good decent ethical compassionate people in every one of these Muslim majority countries, but they does not seem to have any effect of the policies of these states towards their non-Muslim minorities.
     
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    So long this appreciation is sincere i'm all for it but we should be cautious of people like Tariq Ramadan who under the guise of promoting inter faith peace has another subtle agenda.
     
  21. The Messiah

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    Look across the middle east and see what type of people are calling the shots. monarchs and dictators and almost all of them are tyrants who suppress there people and in turn these people turn to the mullahs who have there own agenda.

    it is a vicious cycle and democracy can solve this but genuine democracies wont be 'favoured' by the west until the valuable resources are finished in the region.
     

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