Economics: Why are mainstream views different from reality?

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I read the article. It is unclear what it is based on, but I guess it is non-nominal or nominal GDP.

This is interesting:


Full article: U.S. Federal Government Revenue (Current & Inflation Adjusted) » truthful politics
The current $ line is nominal while inflation adjusted is non-nominal. The inflation adjusted is based on 2005 as a base year and hence you see the current $ line is below it before 2005 and above it after 2005(due to addition of inflation).

It is interesting how the figures went up in WW2 and almost stayed there since then except a small dip in the beginning!
 

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Re: German President to begin 5-day India visit on Feb 4



Still this graph--from 1998 to 2014--looks something like the exponential curve---is this really the way our foreign debt increased--with a economist at helm?
I am not well versed in economics ----can anyone tell me what are the effects of rise in foreign debt?

India External Debt | Actual Value | Historical Data | Forecast
Well, India is growing exponentially(atleast till 2 yrs ago) so it can sustain high debt levels. A relevant figure to look at is not real debt but debt/GDP ratio. If the % remains constant it is good.
 

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@panduranghari, @Sakal Gharelu Ustad

Same stuff, but in a different way.
Well I am 2 years late on this but just wanted to tell you one thing pmaitra sir.

In my simple and stupid mind I think there was a much better solution for that man.

WHAT IF HE NEVER TOOK THE FREAKING LOAN FROM THE BANK????


WHO ASKED HIM TO TAKE THE LOAN?
DID THE BANKS FORCE HIM TO TAKE THE LOAN?
WHO MADE THE DECISION TO SIGN THERE ON THE PAPER?
WAS IT THE BANKS OR IT WAS HIS GREED?

(There is a sufficiency in the world for man's need but not for man's greed.-Mahatma Gandhi)

@pmaitra sir my mind is in a mess now. Can you clear up this mess. Any help will be appreciated.

(I am starting to think that even studying for exams is a forced thing. After all originally one had to know of Vedas,Upanishads etc. Why study computer science and all this things. They are also forced on us unconstitutionally by the JU authorities.)
 
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Re: Massive Russian Military Movement

I am not sure whether you have a problem with Ponzi Scheme or Denis Pushilin.

I would suggest you spend some time in this thread and get a few perspectives.

Might or might not be relevant: Russian Proton rocket carrying advanced satellite crashes

The following post may be a bit off topic but I just wanted to tell you a few things.

I read the thread you gave a link to. Well I have little knowledge about economics so it was hard for me to get a clear idea about the posts. However it was indeed an interesting read.

The only thing that I did know of on that thread was bitcoins. I do know about bit coin mining and bitcoins are a very dangerous form of alternate money. I can elaborate on that later.

Anyway I think the entire thread was on US inflation etc and its banks. Seriously the US economy had pulled itself out of the mess it was in despite all the doomsday predictions.

On banks I have this to say. Nothing on this world is free. Also no one can force a person to take a loan(not even the banking cartels). It is the person himself who makes such decisions. One suffers for his own greed. As Buddha and Sri Krishna had said that if a person has desires or greed he is bound to suffer. The banking cartel has no role in this sadly. If you do think otherwise please do not hesitate to refute me.

Coming to the second link. Yes I do know Russians are capable in a lot of technical fields. In fact one of our mechanical professors in JU told us that S. Timoshenko was the pioneer or father(he told us so) of mechanical engineering. Another person in physics of good repute would be I.E. Irodov. However those were things of the past. I have only told the fact that the US is currently a better place to fulfill your ambitions. A lot of Indians are going there,taking up jobs and helping our economy by sending back money from abroad. Why do such Indians not go to Russia if it was so good? That is all I wanted to ask.


I personally have no bias against a nation. Whichever country helps us the most should be given preference and not by past diplomatic relations. Nowadays even Russia is helping China, a sworn enemy of India. Also the US Pakistani relation is on the decline. India should make friends with the stronger side.

Anyway the links you provided were really helpful to me. I got a new perspective but then again I have a habit of being critical of everything. Thanks for sharing them.

(P.S. I or my family have not been affected by Ponzi schemes. However I hate Ponzi schemers. If you ever come to Kolkata do ask a few people about Sarada and Sudipta Sen.)
 

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The video you posted. Here are a few comments from on the viewers. I think it sums up the video.

dirac33
The quote by Jefferson in the middle is false. It says so at monticello dawt org, the keepers of the Jefferson flame. The makers of this video are willing to put words into Jefferson's mouth, and so the entire thing topples into deceptive irrelevance. The whole video is nothing but a paranoid fantasy by libertarians. If you want to blame someone, blame the corporations. I often wonder what the actual motive of the libertarians is - anarchy? chaos? I think they must welcome these things, so that they can assume the mantle of stewardship in the way of all fascists. And like National Socialists, who blamed the bankers and the Jews, they will say nothing of the real culprits, the sociopathic corporations. You have been schooled.


TheINFJGuy

Even if the Fed controls everything and everyone got foreclosed on, that would mean The military and police force would have to do a "Mass eviction" - can you see a military and police force evicting innocent people out of their own homes by the millions? How would this country survive without a strong middle class, the entire country can't be built on tanks and bombers alone. The government needs us, and if the price of food goes up, people will just stop buying food or making their own at a reasonable rate. If Gas gets too high people will just stop driving cars. If the rent gets to high people will just stop using those banks. And if all of the government owns the land, thats when the revolution will start.


Probably the only person who was not high.

jabber wolf

17:00 This is why we are F'ed because the previous generation is loading the country with debt and will leave the next generation holding the bag of debt. Its not the bankers fault - its the people being greedy and continuously borrowing more than they can pay back. Thats because they dont CARE.. they leave that debt for the next generation.
 
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Not directly related to India, but I consider this interesting.
This thread fits better. Interesting lecture about a soon resources shortage and upcoming crisis.
 
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This thread fits better. Interesting lecture about a soon resources shortage and upcoming crisis.
I always enjoy ted talks (i loved the one that taught crows to collect lost coins in the street) but this one is a bit catastrophic.

First, fantastic, good news about the coal and the oil peaks.

About the phosphorus i remember reading about it while in a laundry in Belgium :)
If i remember well most of the world phosphorus is in Marroco, but what this professor hasn't said (or i could have overheard) it is that for resources like phosphorus, that are right now still relatively cheap, the search and industrialisation of new basins is expensive like to create new logistic processes to recycle it.

I don't have fears of peaks, it is like He, it is getting expensive in consequence companies are substituting it with other chemicals (Helium is important high technologies like MRI).
I have a positive view on scarcity of resources, fossil resources scarcity hard pushed us europeans to implement green energies, aluminium to recycle, if phosphates becomes expensive we will implement a more sustainable diet with less meat and more fish(fish farming one) , it will lower the obesity and the health costs. When rare metals will become scarce we will stop consuming a cellphone per year (OMG a new Iphone has just come out! hehehehhe i still use my 2005 Nokia, and my smarthphone is second hand :) ).
If we are going to loose workplace because we stop the obsessive consumerism we will earn them trough globalisation and the needed recycle.

Same with financial crisis, it is just evolution, the out coming financial institute will be selected and the overall complex will be healthier.

And to end i'm a Asimov stories lover :) for me the solution is near:
THis
plus
plus
(no need of humanoid form) and

After we end the technology on the 4 techs, specially in developing mining robotics we shouldn't fear anymore scarcity (but this is a bad thing, because it would slower our "evolution" process), plus on green energy and railgun we are almost there
 
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@Meriv90,

Energy is something mankind will always need.

Windmills are good; however, they do cut down on the wind flow over a large area.

Geothermal plants are an interesting development. I don't hear much about them, and of course, they are not suitable at all places.
 
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@Meriv90,

Energy is something mankind will always need.

Windmills are good; however, they do cut down on the wind flow over a large area.

Geothermal plants are an interesting development. I don't hear much about them, and of course, they are not suitable at all places.
Geothermals are the less efficient from the green energy, the most efficient form is tidal wave but it is still in development. This is the reason you don't hear a lot from them.

Pmaitra air currents are generated between high pressure and low pressure zones, you can't "cut it down" (unless it is something big as mountains) since if the equilibrium isn't reached it will still create the flow. What the wind farm can do is to slow down the wind current but to achieve this you would need thousands of wind mills together and of monstrous dimensions.
Something like this.
Offshore wind farms could tame hurricanes, Stanford-led study says

Plus green energies is more than enough for the world, in 2013 italy produced 40% in green energy, and still we haven't develop the next technologies: Micro hydro/eolic, tidal, biomass from forest (keeping tidy the forest gives a lot of burning material), house energy efficiency, etc.. etc.. and the ones we are using (PV and industrial eolic aren't so diffused)
 
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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/17/o...c=edit_tnt_20150417&nlid=55842100&tntemail0=y

America has yet to achieve a full recovery from the effects of the 2008 financial crisis. Still, it seems fair to say that we've made up much, though by no means all, of the lost ground.

But you can't say the same about the eurozone, where real G.D.P. per capita is still lower than it was in 2007, and 10 percent or more below where it was supposed to be by now. This is worse than Europe's track record during the 1930s.

Why has Europe done so badly? In the past few weeks, I've seen a number of speeches and articles suggesting that the problem lies in the inadequacy of our economic models — that we need to rethink macroeconomic theory, which has failed to offer useful policy guidance in the crisis. But is this really the story?

No, it isn't. It's true that few economists predicted the crisis. The clean little secret of economics since then, however, is that basic textbook models, reflecting an approach to recessions and recoveries that would have seemed familiar to students half a century ago, have performed very well. The trouble is that policy makers in Europe decided to reject those basic models in favor of alternative approaches that were innovative, exciting and completely wrong.

I've been revisiting economic policy debates since 2008, and what stands out from around 2010 onward is the huge divergence in thinking that emerged between the United States and Europe. In America, the White House and the Federal Reserve mainly stayed faithful to standard Keynesian economics. The Obama administration wasted a lot of time and effort pursuing a so-called Grand Bargain on the budget, but it continued to believe in the textbook proposition that deficit spending is actually a good thing in a depressed economy. Meanwhile, the Fed ignored ominous warnings that it was "debasing the dollar," sticking with the view that its low-interest-rate policies wouldn't cause inflation as long as unemployment remained high.

In Europe, by contrast, policy makers were ready and eager to throw textbook economics out the window in favor of new approaches. The European Commission, headquartered here in Brussels, eagerly seized upon supposed evidence for "expansionary austerity," rejecting the conventional case for deficit spending in favor of the claim that slashing spending in a depressed economy actually creates jobs, because it boosts confidence. Meanwhile, the European Central Bank took inflation warnings to heart and raised interest rates in 2011 even though unemployment was still very high.

But while European policy makers may have imagined that they were showing a praiseworthy openness to new economic ideas, the economists they chose to listen to were those telling them what they wanted to hear. They sought justifications for the harsh policies they were determined, for political and ideological reasons, to impose on debtor nations; they lionized economists, like Harvard's Alberto Alesina, Carmen Reinhart, and Kenneth Rogoff, who seemed to offer that justification. As it turned out, however, all that exciting new research was deeply flawed, one way or another.
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And while new ideas were crashing and burning, that old-time economics was going from strength to strength. Some readers may recall that there was much scoffing at predictions from Keynesian economists, myself included, that interest rates would stay low despite huge budget deficits; that inflation would remain subdued despite huge bond purchases by the Fed; that sharp cuts in government spending, far from unleashing a confidence-driven boom in private spending, would cause private spending to fall further. But all these predictions came true.
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The point is that it's wrong to claim, as many do, that policy failed because economic theory didn't provide the guidance policy makers needed. In reality, theory provided excellent guidance, if only policy makers had been willing to listen. Unfortunately, they weren't.

And they still aren't. If you want to feel really depressed about Europe's future, read the Op-Ed article by Wolfgang Schäuble, the German finance minister, that was published Wednesday by The Times. It's a flat-out rejection of everything we know about macroeconomics, of all the insights that European experience these past five years confirms. In Mr. Schäuble's world, austerity leads to confidence, confidence creates growth, and, if it's not working for your country, it's because you're not doing it right.

But back to the question of new ideas and their role in policy. It's hard to argue against new ideas in general. In recent years, however, innovative economic ideas, far from helping to provide a solution, have been part of the problem. We would have been far better off if we had stuck to that old-time macroeconomics, which is looking better than ever.
@pmaitra - article by Krugman
 
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This thread is to explain in simple,how money and economy and its other aspects to the people who are new to this subject.

What is money ?




 

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