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[Raj Malhotra]

Basic facts:-

It is ILLEGAL to spend even Rs. 1000 for unsanctioned R&D project. What part of this line is difficult to understand? This rule has been made by IAS lobby to prevent R&D in OFB inspite of relaxations.

Army wants bolt action sniper rifles inspired by brouchure disease. In fact even USA has scrapped bolt action sniper rifles doctrine and is going towards SR25, G28, MK17.

OFB Makes bolt action rifles in numerous caliber like 7.62x51, 7.62x63, 12.7x107/99, 0.22, 8mm, hence any other bolt action rifle can be made in weeks including in 0.338 caliber But Army will never ever allow it. Look at Dhanush, no orders from Army, only trials since 2013 but M777 and K9 gets orders. Order of 114 is ONLY intent but no actual contract. Like order for 83 LCA MK1A is only intent but no actual orders.

On the other hand, OFB a has made huge fuck ups. It cannot manufacture adequate number of basic weapons like:-

MMG
HMG
AGL
Carl Gustaf
Ghatak etc

 

[Raj Malhotra]

OFT has done homework on Vidhwanshak to bring its whooping weight of 25 kg to around 15 kg. It is basically an AMR rather then a APR or DMR. It is not something which could be sent as a replacement in place of Dragunov.

It would not be hard for OFB to make a case of semi auto sniper rifle development to replace aging one in service IMO.

Link or Source that OFB has made a 15kg AMR?

 

[Chinmoy]

Basic facts:-

It is ILLEGAL to spend even Rs. 1000 for unsanctioned R&D project. What part of this line is difficult to understand? This rule has been made by IAS lobby to prevent R&D in OFB inspite of relaxations.

Army wants bolt action sniper rifles inspired by brouchure disease. In fact even USA has scrapped bolt action sniper rifles doctrine and is going towards SR25, G28, MK17.

OFB Makes bolt action rifles in numerous caliber like 7.62x51, 7.62x63, 12.7x107/99, 0.22, 8mm, hence any other bolt action rifle can be made in weeks including in 0.338 caliber But Army will never ever allow it. Look at Dhanush, no orders from Army, only trials since 2013 but M777 and K9 gets orders. Order of 114 is ONLY intent but no actual contract. Like order for 83 LCA MK1A is only intent but no actual orders.

On the other hand, OFB a has made huge fuck ups. It cannot manufacture adequate number of basic weapons like:-

MMG
HMG
AGL
Carl Gustaf
Ghatak etc

It is illegal to spend for unsanctioned R&D project, but read once more what I've mentioned.

It would not be hard for OFB to make a case of semi auto sniper rifle development to replace aging one in service IMO.

Its not illegal to present a case of semi auto 7.62 Sniper rifle based on INSAS family. First you have to present a case for R&D sanctions.

OFB has not yet developed a 15kg AMR. It had only carried out study to bring down the massive weight of Vidhwanshak after it has been rejected by IA on weight basis.

 

[Raj Malhotra]

Re Chinmoy

My post was general and not directed against you. It seems Army is looking at bolt action 0.338 and 0.50 rifles. Both the bolt action concept and using two rifles in roughly same category is absurd but Dalals rule. 0.338 is NOT considered a good sniper rifle as it has a huuuuge firing blast signature. Hence no one in the world has ordered 5000 rifles of this caliber. 0.338 is a good Anti material rifle but in that category 12.7=0.50 or 20mm better. There the combination should be 7.62x51 sniper rifle and 20mm Anti Material rifle, both made by OFB.

BUT the prime directive of MOD procurement system is NOT what we need but what can we IMPORT. In fact if the import is useless and costly then it's even better So the whole aim is to import junk, sometimes some is this junk by mistake turns out to be useful.

I remind all my DFI friends repeatedly that in 1962 we had 100 long range Canberra bombers and AIRCRAFT Carrier but no winter clothing, inadequate small arms and not even maps of border areas. What was used? In the war?

 

[Chinmoy]

Re Chinmoy

My post was general and not directed against you. It seems Army is looking at bolt action 0.338 and 0.50 rifles. Both the bolt action concept and using two rifles in roughly same category is absurd but Dalals rule. 0.338 is NOT considered a good sniper rifle as it has a huuuuge firing blast signature. Hence no one in the world has ordered 5000 rifles of this caliber. 0.338 is a good Anti material rifle but in that category 12.7=0.50 or 20mm better. There the combination should be 7.62x51 sniper rifle and 20mm Anti Material rifle, both made by OFB.

BUT the prime directive of MOD procurement system is NOT what we need but what can we IMPORT. In fact if the import is useless and costly then it's even better So the whole aim is to import junk, sometimes some is this junk by mistake turns out to be useful.

I remind all my DFI friends repeatedly that in 1962 we had 100 long range Canberra bombers and AIRCRAFT Carrier but no winter clothing, inadequate small arms and not even maps of border areas. What was used? In the war?

I had replied to a post of @sayareakd that lack of innovation on behalf of OFB is due to culmination of many things. One of them has been pointed out by you.

Babudom has prevented OFB to invest in R&D. But you can't entirely blame bureaucracy for that. OFB being a public entity can't afford to invest in R&D blindly. For that purpose I had been repeatedly arguing for pvt entities to come forward for R&D purpose. But what OFB could do is to put up case studies to stake holders for funds. We can't keep on crying that because of dalal's we are unable to indigenise weapon system. We ourself does lack the ability to think of future. Politicins and bureaucrats are not correct people to think technicality of system. We would have to push them to think of it.

Talking about IA, it is just a matter of time that we would see a change of doctrine for them. Remember the case of 5.56 NATO, 7.62 AK and now 7.62 NATO round? But we would also have to think that what could we offer in a scenario of changed doctrine?

 

[Raj Malhotra]

I blame Babus 110%, Military has very limited role in procurement and just act out the part given by Babus & Politicians. Babus & Politicians use Military has a mouthpiece to defend their import decisions. OFB is manned by a massive Civilan Cadre, don't you think they know basic things having spent their lifetime in that organisation. Govt Babus have failed us in ALL manufactering industries:-
Telecom ITI, CDOT
Machine tools HMT
Civilian aircraft NAL
Railway engines
Metro coaches
Cars, scooters, jeeps, trucks, name it.

Foreign companies actively prevent Indian private Companies trying to grow through their influence in finance ministry. Tools are high interest & low customs duty. Job of good intelligence agencies is to corrode & destroy the economy of any rival.

 

[Suryavanshi]

Military is no place for Babugiri need pluck out these weeds from the institution

 

[Kshithij]

Funds are cleared on case to case basis and not in a way that "once released make anything" they need to give the sheet for evry expenditure.
As for semi auto sniper OFT had done some homework with Vidhwansak hence I won't say they behind the curve!

OFT has done homework on Vidhwanshak to bring its whooping weight of 25 kg to around 15 kg. It is basically an AMR rather then a APR or DMR. It is not something which could be sent as a replacement in place of Dragunov.

It would not be hard for OFB to make a case of semi auto sniper rifle development to replace aging one in service IMO.

Basic facts:-

It is ILLEGAL to spend even Rs. 1000 for unsanctioned R&D project. What part of this line is difficult to understand? This rule has been made by IAS lobby to prevent R&D in OFB inspite of relaxations.

Army wants bolt action sniper rifles inspired by brouchure disease. In fact even USA has scrapped bolt action sniper rifles doctrine and is going towards SR25, G28, MK17.

OFB Makes bolt action rifles in numerous caliber like 7.62x51, 7.62x63, 12.7x107/99, 0.22, 8mm, hence any other bolt action rifle can be made in weeks including in 0.338 caliber But Army will never ever allow it. Look at Dhanush, no orders from Army, only trials since 2013 but M777 and K9 gets orders. Order of 114 is ONLY intent but no actual contract. Like order for 83 LCA MK1A is only intent but no actual orders.

On the other hand, OFB a has made huge fuck ups. It cannot manufacture adequate number of basic weapons like:-

MMG
HMG
AGL
Carl Gustaf
Ghatak etc

No military will use semi-auto sniper rifles. It is only useful in video games. In real world, Snipers operate at over 500 metres. Till about 500 metres, the INSAS are used and hence snipers become redundant. To shoot at that great distance, it is important to avoid unnecessary vibrations and gas leakages from different angles. The semi-auto rifles do exactly that - use some of the leaking gases to cycle the chamber and hence cause small vibration. Even a small deviation of just 0.1 degree angle will make the shot at 500 meteres miss by about 2-3 feet. There is already distractions of wind and gravitational drop. Adding another erratic vibration will be greatly abhorred by marksmen.

Vidhwansak is not always 25kg. It is actually possible to reduce its weight by changing its barrel. Vidhwansak is multibarrel rifle and the highest barrel and caliber configuration is 25kg. Its alternative denel NTW weighs 30kg for the same configuration. Vidhwansak is actually lighter and cheaper. It is not a marksman's rifle but anti-material rifle. It is not to be mistaken with sniper rifles

 

[Kshithij]

I blame Babus 110%, Military has very limited role in procurement and just act out the part given by Babus & Politicians. Babus & Politicians use Military has a mouthpiece to defend their import decisions. OFB is manned by a massive Civilan Cadre, don't you think they know basic things having spent their lifetime in that organisation. Govt Babus have failed us in ALL manufactering industries:-
Telecom ITI, CDOT
Machine tools HMT
Civilian aircraft NAL
Railway engines
Metro coaches
Cars, scooters, jeeps, trucks, name it.

Foreign companies actively prevent Indian private Companies trying to grow through their influence in finance ministry. Tools are high interest & low customs duty. Job of good intelligence agencies is to corrode & destroy the economy of any rival.

You should blame yourself and your ancestors for not overthrowing congress. It was clear that Nehru was installed by british. Also, it was clear that India was installed by soviets by assassinating shastri. India was always run by foreign countries

 

[Kshithij]

I had replied to a post of @sayareakd that lack of innovation on behalf of OFB is due to culmination of many things. One of them has been pointed out by you.

Babudom has prevented OFB to invest in R&D. But you can't entirely blame bureaucracy for that. OFB being a public entity can't afford to invest in R&D blindly. For that purpose I had been repeatedly arguing for pvt entities to come forward for R&D purpose. But what OFB could do is to put up case studies to stake holders for funds. We can't keep on crying that because of dalal's we are unable to indigenise weapon system. We ourself does lack the ability to think of future. Politicins and bureaucrats are not correct people to think technicality of system. We would have to push them to think of it.

Talking about IA, it is just a matter of time that we would see a change of doctrine for them. Remember the case of 5.56 NATO, 7.62 AK and now 7.62 NATO round? But we would also have to think that what could we offer in a scenario of changed doctrine?

India's first automatic rifle was reverse egineered LA1A which led to its company FN threaten a lawsuit. Nehru had to pay compensation for it. It was 7.62 NATO. We have just come back a circle.

 

[NeXoft007]

Great News! Akash-NG will be cannisterised, and won't be kept exposed as Akash Mk. I
Revealing fact - Akash-NG is 1 metre shorter than Akash Mk. 1/ Mk. 1S

 

[proud_indian]

Great News! Akash-NG will be cannisterised, and won't be kept exposed as Akash Mk. I
Revealing fact - Akash-NG is 1 metre shorter than Akash Mk. 1/ Mk. 1S
View attachment 21395

where did you get this? Any source?

 

[Prashant12]

Successful Flight Test of Guided Bombs

Indigenously developed light weight Glide Bomb, SAAW (Smart Anti Airfield Weapon) was successfully tested from Indian Air Force aircraft in the ranges at ITR, Chandipur, Odisha. The guided bomb released from the aircraft and guided through precision navigation system, reached the targets at greater than 70 km range, with high accuracies. A total of three tests with different release conditions and ranges were conducted and all were successful. The guided bomb is developed by Research Centre Imarat (RCI), DRDO along with other laboratories of DRDO and Indian Air Force.

Raksha Mantri Smt Nirmala Sitharaman congratulated the DRDO scientists and Indian Air Force for the successful tests. Secretary Department of Defence R&D and Chairman DRDO, Dr. S Christopher congratulated the team and said SAAW will be inducted soon into the Armed Forces. Director General Missiles and Strategic System DG (MSS) Dr G Satheesh Reddy said it’s a major milestone in the indigenous capabilities to develop guided bombs.

http://pib.nic.in/newsite/PrintRelease.aspx

 

[Vinod DX9]

DRDO Electro Magnetic Rail Gun

Mr.Saurav Jha comes with a great news. According to the post DRDO's 12 mm square bore electro-magnetic railgun (EMRG) has actually been tested. Another 30 mm square bore EMRG is also ready for tests. According to DRDO, their target is to accelerate a 1 kg projectile to a velocity of more than 2000 m/s with a capacitor bank of 10 MJ.

 

[kstriya]

DRDO Electro Magnetic Rail Gun

Mr.Saurav Jha comes with a great news. According to the post DRDO's 12 mm square bore electro-magnetic railgun (EMRG) has actually been tested. Another 30 mm square bore EMRG is also ready for tests. According to DRDO, their target is to accelerate a 1 kg projectile to a velocity of more than 2000 m/s with a capacitor bank of 10 MJ.View attachment 21410

Can we use this to fry some pork chops at the border???? I really do not know the projectiles have any explosives....

 

[binayak95]

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[shuvo@y2k10]

EM RAIL GUN project is going smoothly in DRDO ARDE lab similar to the progress of EMALS in R&D(E) Lab DRDO. I am posting some pictures regarding the EM GUN in developements and its control systems:

Source : http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/stamp/stamp.jsp?arnumber=7877656&tag=1

 

[Prashant12]

Defence Research & Development Organisation (DRDO) Latest Film

 

[shuvo@y2k10]

DRDO exoskeleton is being developed by DEBEL LABs. related tender :
https://www.drdo.gov.in/.../downloadtndr.jsp?...debel_Dcsh_deb117_16_spec.pdf