DRDO 155mm Artillery Program

Can DRDO design Artillery able to pass into mass production?


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Chinmoy

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Chinmoy, I do not know if they got alloy knowhow. No open source material on that.
Thats my point. No doubt that we have started production of Titanium in large scale, but no where I came across any information regarding its use in metallurgy or any one doing anything in this regard.
 

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On the point of Kalyani chaps are procuring Metal from somewhere else..

Baba Kalyani has stated that his vision is to make 100% Indian guns.

Baba Kalyani is a very hands on boss, even if metal is not Indian he will definitely ensure that metal is made is India in long run.

Kalyani group also has the capability of making alloys for other auto components.

It's just a matter of time and R&D budget.
 

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Bharat Forge acquired Noricum, which was the chief manufacturer of the improved GC-45, originally designed by Gerard Bull.

They brought the entire manufacturing to India. I think its reasonable to assume that this included barrel manufacturing and forging tech as well including Titanium alloys (if Noricum had it with them), unless Austria/EU had specific tech transfer embargoes as in the case of US and BAE.
 

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I am no where refuting that, all I am saying is what about the metallurgical part? From where they are getting the raw material for designing purpose?
Its titanium build. No idea where they have sourced from. But India has one of the largest reserves.
 

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Bharat Forge has been working with Titanium forgings for a long time now, and are acclaimed as one of the masters in the craft globally.
As of 2016 they are one of the global vendors for Titanium parts supplied to Boeing for commercial airliners including the 777X as well.
Berkshire Hathway has named Bharat Forge as one of the five companies tipped to lead the global forgings market till 2021.
http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20170102005066/en/Top-5-Vendors-Global-Forging-Market-2017
http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20170102005066/en/Top-5-Vendors-Global-Forging-Market-2017
http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20170102005066/en/Top-5-Vendors-Global-Forging-Market-2017
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...m-forgings-to-boeing/articleshow/51027059.cms
http://defenceaviationpost.com/boeing-awards-777x-titanium-forging-contract-bharat-forge/
http://defenceaviationpost.com/boeing-awards-777x-titanium-forging-contract-bharat-forge/
 

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Bharat Forge has been working with Titanium forgings for a long time now, and are acclaimed as one of the masters in the craft globally.
As of 2016 they are one of the global vendors for Titanium parts supplied to Boeing for commercial airliners including the 777X as well.
Berkshire Hathway has named Bharat Forge as one of the five companies tipped to lead the global forgings market till 2021.
http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20170102005066/en/Top-5-Vendors-Global-Forging-Market-2017
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...m-forgings-to-boeing/articleshow/51027059.cms
http://defenceaviationpost.com/boeing-awards-777x-titanium-forging-contract-bharat-forge/
Nice to know that Kalyani features among the top forging companies. But what I was saying about was designing the alloy. Forging no where means that they do design the alloy. Many auto parts manufacturer does have their own forging unit, but they do get raw material for the same from some other source. Have a look at what Kalyani has to say about their forging.

http://bharatforge.com/facilities/forging.html.

When searching for any company who is involved in Titanium alloy manufacturing in India, I did came across essel mining from aditya birla group who is involved in Titanium metallurgy, but can't say whether they are into weapon grade manufacturing or not. TATA steel too may be involved, but can't see any active participation. May be with the new contract of ATAGS, they may or might have ventured in this field.
 

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Bharat Forge acquired Noricum, which was the chief manufacturer of the improved GC-45, originally designed by Gerard Bull.

They brought the entire manufacturing to India. I think its reasonable to assume that this included barrel manufacturing and forging tech as well including Titanium alloys (if Noricum had it with them), unless Austria/EU had specific tech transfer embargoes as in the case of US and BAE.
When I look at any defense project and its delay and failure, one thing becomes very clear and that is failure of management and beurocracy rather than any R & D effort
 

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When I look at any defense project and its delay and failure, one thing becomes very clear and that is failure of management and beurocracy rather than any R & D effort
The very failure of management and high handedness or bureaucracy has not allowed R&D to florish in defence industry.
 

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Private sector participation in big way in collaboration with best manufacturers in the world is the solution.
 

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The very failure of management and high handedness or bureaucracy has not allowed R&D to florish in defence industry.
Correct. Many R & D efforts were made to fail because of corruption. We need to make one policy. Beyond certain level of technology equipment should only be allowed to be imported. We must ban ammunition and small arms import. If anybody wants to sell, they must produce them in india. I am in the favor of putting choppers in this list also.
 

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Private sector participation in big way in collaboration with best manufacturers in the world is the solution.
Not really. Private sector can't be the sole answer. You need to involve SME and educational institutes in the effort. One positive step I have seen in this regard is Army involving IITs in solution buildup process recently.

Efforts should be made to involve educational institutes and engineering institutes to take up R&D in defence sector. Separate funding should be allowed in educational and defence budget for sole R&D. Involvement of pvt forms could only boost your production, but not your technical know how. You have to target core areas instead of production numbers to create a healthy R&D sector.
 

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Its titanium build. No idea where they have sourced from. But India has one of the largest reserves.
Titanium is one of the most abundant minerals anywhere in the world (more abundant than copper, zinc, lead etc); but the problem is that extracting the metal from its mineral ore is very complicated and very expensive. Very few countries have mastered it - in fact even US was a late entrant to the club!! It's good to see that India has made strides in Titanium production (they're initially getting from Kerala - Kerala Minerals and Metals)!! Once you've mastered the technique there's no end to how much you can extract - the procedure is expensive anyways! Unextracted titanium compounds (like titanium oxide) are dirt cheap and can be found in all kinds of paints and face creams!!!!
 
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Nice to know that Kalyani features among the top forging companies. But what I was saying about was designing the alloy. Forging no where means that they do design the alloy. Many auto parts manufacturer does have their own forging unit, but they do get raw material for the same from some other source. Have a look at what Kalyani has to say about their forging.

http://bharatforge.com/facilities/forging.html.

When searching for any company who is involved in Titanium alloy manufacturing in India, I did came across essel mining from aditya birla group who is involved in Titanium metallurgy, but can't say whether they are into weapon grade manufacturing or not. TATA steel too may be involved, but can't see any active participation. May be with the new contract of ATAGS, they may or might have ventured in this field.
About Titanium manufacture in India, please just go in for a simple google search
Please follow some random links below

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/delhi/pune-based-startup-to-make-copper-titanium-alloy-in-india/articleshow/53079693.cms

http://www.titanium-india.com/


http://www.anandmetals.com/titanium-gr5.html

http://www.ferrotitanium.in/
http://www.anandmetals.com/titanium-gr5.html
 

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All of the above listed companies make titanium based alloys (as in procure titanium from outside and mix it with other metals to make alloys); but they don't produce pure titanium per se. Only Kerala Minerals and Metals Limited (obviously in Kerala) makes Titanium sponge in India that is further refined by Midhani/DMRL labs (somewhere near Hyderabad). Much of pure titanium is also imported.
 
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Does anyone know the life of the Dhanush or ATAGS barrel? How many rounds can it fire before requiring replacement?
 

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Now that TOI report regarding Copper Titanium alloy looks promising. We should work in field of Aluminium-Titanium alloy along with Copper-Titanium to build around weapon grade alloy.
 

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TATA prototype in action ..

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About Prototype made by Kalyani Co ..

Honesty, Most comfortable looking seats i ever seen in Indian Army ..

Except Tatra seats ..
Tube artillery projects are underway in a big way in India.

Now start thinking about short range cruise missiles with reverse slope capabilities and with higher payload capabilities to break up enemy rear command & Control, supply depots, airports, roads& rail bridges etc. where Aircrafts cannot go. That adds greater teeth to the army.

Indian cruise missiles have failed three times, the short range missiles of the Prahaar & Agni type are too bulky to move around tactically. Hence needs of cruise missiles to inflict heavy damages to the enemy support infrastructure.
How do these guns compare against the western and Chinese ( Pakistan) artillery?
 

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