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WASHINGTON: India will soon start to outpace China, thanks to a young and growing workforce and its "much-derided democracy" says The Economist.

The cover story on "How India's growth will outpace China's" in its latest issue attributes "India's surprising economic miracle" largely to its private sector saying, "the country's state may be weak, but its private companies are strong."

Despite the poor headlines generated in the run up to the Commonwealth games, "India is doing rather well," the internationally regarded magazine said noting, "Its economy is expected to expand by 8.5 percent this year."

"It has a long way to go before it is as rich as China - the Chinese economy is four times bigger- but its growth rate could overtake China's by 2013, if not before.

"Some economists think India will grow faster than any other large country over the next 25 years. Rapid growth in a country of 1.2 billion people is exciting, to put it mildly," it said.

Citing demography as one of the two reasons why India will soon start to outpace China, the magazine noted "China's workforce will shortly start ageing; in a few years' time, it will start shrinking."

"That's because of its one-child policy - an oppressive measure that no Indian government would get away with."

"India is now blessed with a young and growing workforce. Its dependency ratio - the proportion of children and old people to working-age adults - is one of the best in the world and will remain so for a generation," it said.

India's economy will benefit from this "demographic dividend", which has powered many of Asia's economic miracles.

"The second reason for optimism is India's much-derided democracy," said The Economist noting, "Indian capitalism is driven by millions of entrepreneurs all furiously doing their own thing.

"Since the early 1990s, when India dismantled the "licence raj" and opened up to foreign trade, Indian business has boomed."

"Ideas flow easily around India, since it lacks China's culture of secrecy and censorship. That, plus China's rampant piracy, is why knowledge-based industries such as software love India but shun the Middle Kingdom,"

"Given the choice between doing business in China or India, most foreign investors would probably pick China, The Economist said.

Read more: India will soon start to outpace China: Economist - The Times of India India will soon start to outpace China: Economist - The Times of India
 

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If Chan can cook, so can you!

Time to stir fry a Peking duck!

It is time to show that a Peking Duck can also be stir fried!
If Chan can cook, so can you? Interesting logic

Time had already shown that a Tandoori Chicken can be well deep fried ... so deep into the chicken's butt
 
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Coping with China's 'core interests'

B. S. Raghavan


"Observe calmly; secure our position; cope with affairs calmly; hide our capabilities and bide our time; be good at maintaining a low profile; and never claim leadership" -- Deng Xiaoping

"Nothing in diplomacy is trivial" – Zhou Enlai

"There are no permanent friends and no permanent enemies, only permanent interests" – is an oft-quoted saying. In fact, national or permanent interest has formed part of the political and diplomatic vocabulary for centuries. A nation, by virtue of its location, evolution and political, ideological, social, cultural or economic complexion, is bound to regard certain sets of values, goals and relationships as being in its national or permanent interest contributing to its stability, security and standing in the world community. It might regard its permanent interests, so defined and delineated, as non-negotiable and beyond cavil.

In that sense, China too has a right to place before itself and the comity of nations its own conception of what constitutes its permanent interests. However, its preference for the term 'core interests' has left observers intrigued. It is but natural if the usage raises the question of its precise connotation and implication.

One answer can be that China has simply brought back into currency the ancient doctrine of hexin liyi which was central to the Confucian principles of statecraft. In fact, the literal meaning of the Chinese phrase itself is nothing but 'core interests'. Knowing that China does nothing without deep thinking and it makes no move except to signal a message that it considers important, one has necessarily try to make sense of the iteration of the doctrine and its significance to China's world-view.

Mixed bag

For instance, in what manner 'core interests' differ from national or permanent interests? Is it that some adjustments or negotiations are possible in regard to national/permanent interests, but 'core interests' are so vital and sacrosanct that any discussion of their merits by any other country and in any forum whatever is absolutely forbidden? If such is the case, one certainly has to be watchful about the issues that make it to the list and the likely new direction China's policies and actions may take as an intended consequence.

The problem, in China's case, arises on three counts. First, its core interests are a mixed bag: The criteria for their inclusion seem to cover a wide range from concerns about sovereignty, territorial integrity and security (Tibet, Taiwan, Xinjiyang) to furtherance of its economic, commercial and maritime ambitions (South China Sea, Yellow Sea).

The second feature is the periodical additions China has been making, based apparently on political expediency. China's core interests originally comprised only Tibet and Taiwan, but after the Uighur rebellion, Xinjiang got included, and from March this year South China Sea and Yellow Sea have been declared to be China's preserve. One would normally expect core interests to be predictable and durable, and expanding the litany from time to time without any obviously compelling reason and creating suspense and uncertainty in the bargain, can even make the motives and intentions suspect.

New element of confusion

China lost no time in shooing off the US from the Yellow Sea by protesting against the holding of war games by the American and South Korean navies and castigating it as part of Washington's "anti-China containment policy"; it put to the test its claim of suzerainty over the South China Sea by provoking, as alleged by some quarters, an ugly confrontation with Japan over its impounding of the Chinese fishing trawler which had entered what Japan had always held to be its territorial waters in the South China Sea.

China's announcement of a second set of core interests while participating in the first round of the Sino-US Strategic and Economic Dialogue in July this year, within two months of bringing in the South China and Yellow Seas, has introduced a new element of confusion. The three core interests enumerated on that occasion by China in the order of importance are: defending its fundamental systems and national security; preserving national sovereignty, territorial integrity and unification (the reference, presumably, is to Taiwan); and maintaining the steady and sustainable development of its economy and society.

Some analysts have interpreted the defence of fundamental systems to mean continuance of political status quo and the brusque rejection for all time of the demand for change from the existing one-party rule to a liberal, democratic dispensation. At this rate, nothing may stop China from extending the coverage of core interests to even the operation of exchange rate to suit China's exports-imports and currency management regimes, right to exercise veto over other countries' foreign and domestic policies, unilateral claim of ownership of other countries' territories, and deciding when, where and how it would strike to enforce its diktats!

Myopic streak

In sum, over a period, China has been proclaiming more and more areas to be out of bounds for the rest of the world, and taking aggressive postures to enforce its own version of Monroe Doctrine. At one stroke, China has brought the entire Korean peninsula within its sphere of influence; it has enlarged the scope of maritime domination in strategic waters that connect northeast Asia and the Indian Ocean; and it has asserted its interventionist rights over whatever has a bearing on its 'core interests'.

Even those who, like this writer, are in favour of friendly and harmonious relations with China, are slowly coming to the conclusion that there is a myopic streak of insensitivity in its make-up leading to its behaviour as the odd person out and that it only understands the language of tit-for-tat. It may have a sobering effect on China if India also draws up its own list of inviolable, immutable core interests and asks China to adhere to them.

An illustrative list: Acceptance of Jammu and Kashmir as an integral part of India, no nuclear trucks with Pakistan, no recognition of Pakistan's right to part of Jammu and Kashmir in its occupation, respect for borders, no dealings with Bhutan and Nepal without India too at the table, no tampering with established passport and visa procedures, no dumping.

(The writer, Mr B.S.Raghavan, is a retired officer of the Indian Administrative Service, former Adviser to the UN and Chief Secretary to the Governments of West Bengal and Tripura.
 

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we have to built something like this in Himalayas bordering china and pakistan.......


This video is in French, but for those who don't speak French the footage is worth taking a look

 
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Looking beyond borders C Raja Mohan (INDIA)


15 October 2010 The civilian leadership of India's defence ministry gets rather nervous when the armed services mention such terms as "expeditionary forces", "multinational military exercises", and "inter-operability".
The Chinese defence establishment, in contrast, is focused precisely on these concepts, which Beijing believes are central to the projection of its power across the Eurasian land mass and its adjacent waters.


Defence Minister A. K. Antony has all but ruled out serious multilateral military diplomacy after the CPM objected to the four-nation naval exercises in the Bay of Bengal three years ago. While our communists might be hostile to defence diplomacy that boosts India's military power, the Chinese communists are busy honing the skills of their armed forces in collaboration with others. In the "Peace Mission 2010" joint exercises conducted last month, the People's Liberation Army or PLA used the multilateral framework of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation to sharpen its ability to use force beyond its borders. More than 5,000 troops of the SCO joined the 16-day drill at the Matybulak mountain range in Kazakhstan.

The SCO — involving China, Russia, and the Central Asian Republics — labels the annual manoeuvres as "anti-terror" exercises. International observers, however, say Peace Mission 2010 went way beyond that description. It involved complex exercises that deployed special forces across borders for swift interventionary operations. The highlight was China's use of air power to support ground operations in distant theatres. According to Xinhua, six Chinese combat aircraft based in western China carried out "surprise strikes" on designated targets in Kazakhstan. These exercises were the first of their kind for the PLA: Xinhua identified the aircraft as four H-6H bombers and two J-10 fighter jets. They reportedly carried out two simultaneous missions, supported by an airborne early-warning aircraft. Their operational range was doubled because they were refuelled by an aerial tanker in Chinese airspace before they crossed into Kazakhstan.

PLA officials said the purpose of the exercise was to help the Chinese air force create its first integrated air battle group that could carry out in a coordinated manner a variety of missions — including early warning, command-and- control, long-distance bombing, escort and mid air-refuelling.

Besides demonstrating the strategic use of air power, the PLA also used Peace Mission 2010 to test the movement of troops on the ground.

PLA officials underlined the invaluable experience gained in long-haul rail transportation of troops, involving changing trains, loading and unloading equipment, and successfully switching between the rail track gauges on either side of the Sino-Kazakh border (2.98 metres in China, 2.87 metres in Kazakhstan).

Even before the world could digest the full significance of the Peace Mission 2010, the PLA surprised everyone by sending a contingent from its air force to Turkey, a long-standing US ally and member of the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation. This is the first military exercise by Communist China in the territory of a NATO nation, and is widely seen as underlining China's ambition to build an expeditionary military force that can conduct operations far from national shores.

Reports in the Turkish media said the exercises took place from the third week of September to the first week of October at the Konya air base in the Anatolia region. While China deployed its Su-27 and MiG-29 fighters, Turkey appears to have fielded the F-4 Phantoms, the workhorse of the US air force in the Vietnam War. Adding to the significance of the mission, the Chinese planes refuelled in Iran on their way to Turkey. This is said to be the first time that Iran has allowed foreign fighter aircraft to refuel at its national military bases.

As it seeks to revive its stagnant economy, Japan wants to review its long-standing ban on exporting arms. The Japanese defence minister, Toshimi Kitazawa, said the self-imposed restraint has prevented Japan's defence industry from participating in joint international technological development and has shut it out of the lucrative defence business.

Japan's policy dates back to 1967 when then-PM Eisaku Sato declared a ban on weapons exports to communist states, countries to which the United Nations bans such exports and parties to international conflicts.

Tokyo tightened the policy in 1976 when the ban became comprehensive. In 1983, it created a sole exception for the United States. Previous attempts at lifting the ban on arms exports had failed because of domestic political opposition. Nor is it guaranteed now that Kitazawa will succeed. If he does, Delhi should be ready to move quickly towards defence industrial collaboration with Tokyo.

C. Raja Mohan is professor of South Asian Studies at Jawaharlal Nehru University, New Delhi "¨Â©Indian Express
 

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Swami Expresses Need for Clear-Cut Policy About China


Janata Party president Subramanian Swamy today said India needs a sophisticated foreign policy combined with modern weaponry to counter China in defence preparedness.

"We need to modernise our weapons. A new mindset of countering China in the defence preparedness is required, combined with sophisticated foreign policy," he said in a panel discussion on 'India's Strategic Perspectives in 21st century' at the College of Defence Management here.

Speaking in the Session-I of the panel discussion on the topic 'Indian and Chinese National Aspirations: Conflicts and Concerns', the former Union Minister said, "We have no clear-cut China policy and have a mindset problem about that nation."

"The defence budget of India is around 2.2 to 2.3 per cent of the GDP while China has a defence budget of 6 per cent of its GDP. Its (China) military hardware is far superior in network, quantity and quality than India's, and as its recent dispute with Japan shows it already has a super power mindset which we do not have," Swamy said.

Swamy also underscored the need for identifying China's vulnerabilities.

"We need to understand China's vulnerabilities and prepare for the same," he said.

Participating in the discussion, Security and Intelligence expert Jayadeva Ranade said the Pakistan-China "nexus" has intensified in the past 2-3 years besides China making deliberate moves on the Kashmir dispute.

"Chinese are involved in lot of infrastructure and construction activities in PoK and even their high-level officials are visiting this region. China, which wants to emerge as an alternate power, is also helping Pakistan on nuclear technology and may also win Pakistan away from the United States," Ranade said.

Vice Admiral (Retd), SCS Bangara said India lacked a decision making structure and emphasised on the need for professional decision making agencies with scope for accountability.

Another panelist and senior journalist Indrani Bagchi said China has a clear strategic approach while India's plans are never clearly defined.

Later, speaking to reporters, Swamy predicted that China, which is the second largest economy, may face a major financial crisis in the next 3-4 years.

"There will be a banking and financial crisis in China in the next 3-4 years," he said.

Reacting to a query on India not taking an official stand on awarding of the 2010 Nobel Peace prize to Liu Xiaobo, a jailed Chinese dissident, Swamy said, "There was no need for official government reaction on that. They (Nobel Committee) have failed to give Nobel Peace prize to Mahatma Gandhi and Jayaprakash Narayan, till now who had immensely contributed towards peace in the country."
 

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View Point: Chinese ambition


There are reports that China is strategically placing its missiles on the long borders with India. Also, they are fine tuning their air defence to strike deeply inside the Indian Territory.

Certainly, China is too ambitious after dethroning Japan economically. Militarily too, China has the biggest Army in the world and its technological advancement is quite noteworthy. They have proved this during the last Beijing Olympics. China's forex reserves and its deposits in the US are posing a greater danger even to upset the dollar and the US' deteriorating employment avenues is hitting their economy badly. Obama, though tried his best to stop outsourcing- an election promise made during campaigning- is literally overpowered by the Republican supported IT lobby in which India too is included. So, in that way too, America cannot generate employment for its people. Layouts are quite rampant and increasing every year. When the mid-term poll comes in the coming November, what would be in store for the US President is quite unpredictable.

China is looking at these very shrewdly and they know how and when to strike. China's expansionist ambition is well known. It is China that has made a mess of Nepal. Even after ten attempts, the Maoist infected Nepal couldn't elect a Prime Minister. There is no government there as of today. Things are being remote- controlled, therefore, even the Monarchy too cannot return back that easily.

China knows well how to play its card. Sri Lanka, Pakistan, Myanmar and other East Asian countries are their loyalists now. Of these, Pakistan is far closer, as they have now agreed with China to build up a bigger nuclear plant. All these are supportive factors that China may take some misadventure to settle the boundary dispute with India militarily. Should that be a reality, then undoubtedly, missiles will take over from the normal conventional warfare.

Therefore, India need to strategically place its missiles and fine tune its air defence mechanism, to take on such a possibility. We have a long border that stretches so far and wide and what role Pakistan will play, in case of a Chinese first step for military attack, would be decisive. If Pakistan too aids and abets the Chinese adventure, then India will have to battle on two fronts and for that it should, right earnest, alert its war veterans and ex-servicemen to be ready to take guard at strategic places when our forces would be engaged in fighting in the front lines. Indian defence planners and military strategists should work over-time to face any eventuality, as the war, if it breaks out, would lead to any possibility.
 

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There is no chance of China attacking INDIA in the near future. May be as said by some strategists they may attack us in the year 2020. Well India is well equiped and well fortified to face a war with China. There is something which we possess and China does not. Our soldiers are dedicated and more powerful when it comes to a war like situation. More or less our soldiers are eagerly waiting for a chance to give the Chinese what they gave us during the 1962 war and the defence establishment is also angry that they could not show their capability during the 1962. This time around if the Chinese try to do something mischievous then the DRAGON shall see the FEROCIOUS TIGER which is well camouflaged in its territory. Especially a wounded cat is more ferocious to deal with. Our soldiers have not forgotten the wounds of the 1962 war. This time it will be the Chinese at the receiving end.
 

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