Doom and Gloom of the F 35

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  1. trackwhack

    trackwhack Tihar Jail Banned

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    According to plans, by 2035, Six Thousand F 35's are supposed to be in active service. :drunk: :pound:

    There are several defence contractors on DFI trying to sell the plane to India :lol:. As per the latest, the final schedule for the F 35 testing is in 2016 and the Pentagon has pushed the first lot of 176 production F 35's to start in 2017. This is a thread dedicated to the Hanger Queen. Lets see if she makes it. The first in this series is an article on the Time Magazine posted Jan 30th 2012.

    http://battleland.blogs.time.com/2012/01/30/f-35-out-of-altitude-airspeed-and-ideas-but-never-money/

    I will update this thread regularly :)
     
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    KS Bye bye DFI Veteran Member

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    F-35 is junk..? Holy smoke. That is news to me.

    It is not suitable for India agreed. But in the hands of USMC, JSDF etc they are one mean deadly machine that can smoke out anything (expect perhaps the Raptor, T-50 when it arrives) out of the sky.
     
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    We shall see if and when it reaches production. :)

    I'm betting an F 22 revival and an SH based system for the CBG's after the F 35 is scrapped/produced in limited numbers.
     
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    That's too speculative to claim that the F-35, which has tied up the future of a lot of major air forces will be scrapped. For some concrete articles on the matter here are some links:

    "The Air Force would buy fewer of its new fighter, the F-35, and scrap 92 cargo planes and jets. The Navy would lose seven cruisers." (In other words it will still buy F-35) Defense Secretary Leon Panetta defends a leaner military - ABC News

    "Some weapons buys will continue, but be delayed by a few years, notably the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter which is intended to replace most of the fighter jets in the Army, Navy and Marines." Pentagon: Fewer Soldiers, More Drones Will Save Money - ABC News

    "Japan's Defense Minister Naoki Tanaka said Friday that he saw no change in the schedule for the United States to deliver its F-35 fighter jets by fiscal 2016 despite U.S. defense spending cuts." Japan confident F-35 jets will be delivered on schedule despite U.S. defense cuts

    The point that cannot be overlooked is that the US and other major air forces will not fight future wars with past weapons systems. The USAF cannot sustain its F16 fleet much longer as most of these units are nearing their serviceable lives. The same goes with their allies.

    The question is, will the IAF fighter future war with China using large numbers of 4.5 gen fighter (Rafale)?
     
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    It will arrive. Too much has been invested into it for it NOT to arrive.

    F-22s will be revived in a limited way and SH's will be kept as reserves after the Lightening is introduced.
     
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    Calling F 35 a junk is bit over kill. We don't know may be we will see it in our carriers too.
     
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    I would rather have stealth UCAVs than F-35. Far cheaper, safer and just as strike effective.
     
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    something like this..

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    Note: The sight of this in IAF fleet can cause nausea and dizziness for certain geographic region due to its historical interference and operational easeness inside their territory.
     
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    pankaj nema Senior Member Senior Member

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    I dont understand WHY people FORGET The huge waiting list for F 35

    S0me 2500 planes have been already ordered

    We can surely have the F 35 but in 2030 Not before that
     
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    Well France can't have F35-like jets because the development cost for it would be prohibitive and not many countries will JV with it in developing such platforms. So you can only salivate at the F35 as Dassault can only dream of developing it... Not good for the French ego. The only alternative is what you're doing, belittling this jet while elevating to high heavens the already obsolete Rafale.
     
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    China's Role In JSF's Spiraling Costs | AVIATION WEEK

     
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    Armand2REP CHINI EXPERT Veteran Member

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    REALLY? Saying that France is jealous of not joining the F-35 nightmare is like saying France is jealous of not joining the invasion of Iraq. :pound:
     
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    Well, if the overzealous attitude of Sarko and French politicians in intervening in some low threat African country (that is Lybia BTW) is to go by, the French are indeed suffering from an enormous Iraq-invasion envy... Let's see if France can intervene alone in Syria..? :pound:
     
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    duplicate.
     
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    Armand2REP CHINI EXPERT Veteran Member

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    We had no casualties in Libya, you had 33,000 plus 4,500 dead in Iraq. Was it worth that and a $1 trillion? Hell no... The best nation building which is to let them do it themselves.
     
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    Why the development cost is so high for JSF ?
    F-22 is better aircraft . So did US spent more $ to develop F-22 ? and that is by it's own , no partners .
    I think the partners of JSF , got ripped off by US in JSF project , in the name of high development costs .
     
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    What? We had "0" casualties in that invasion, we condemned it in case you were in Mars in 2003. My mother's country sent troops (largely ceremonial) but they did not have casualties either.

    BTW, in Lybia France was only the tip of the iceberg. The submerged part and the real goliath in the room was still the US. I can only imagine how Sarko pleaded Pres. Obama not to send anyone of their Nimitz class to the area so as not to dwarf the De Gaulle - French ego on feigned triumph.... :pound:
     
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