Don't buy the hype: Russia's military is much weaker than Putin wants us to think

[SajeevJino]

hold on experts .. leave the Russian media aside, and try to be neutral and think independent

Read this wiki article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_financial_crisis_(2014–present)

please do not say wiki is controlled by Americans and Jews, wiki is bunch of article's with good backup.

what I see is, everyone in India acting like a Pakistani, who repeatedly saying Russia is master, and forever and we are powerful.

difference is Pakistani's believes in Madrasa, you peoples believes in communist media like RT, Sputnik and Russia Insider

 

[Jay Patel]

Go back to your yankee and arab masters neighbor. We know who is on our side and who is not.

 

[no smoking]

Your comments are laughable. Clearly you have no knowledge of finance and economics

Go back to college rather than waste my time.

I have doubts about you know.

Ok, tell me how India is a export oriented economy and how Russia internal consumption support her economy growth.

 

[SajeevJino]

Go back to your yankee and arab masters neighbor. We know who is on our side and who is not.

are you in US right now, You hate the Americans but love to live in America .. amen

 

[jackprince]

hold on experts .. leave the Russian media aside, and try to be neutral and think independent

Read this wiki article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_financial_crisis_(2014–present)

please do not say wiki is controlled by Americans and Jews, wiki is bunch of article's with good backup.

what I see is, everyone in India acting like a Pakistani, who repeatedly saying Russia is master, and forever and we are powerful.

difference is Pakistani's believes in Madrasa, you peoples believes in communist media like RT, Sputnik and Russia Insider

Nobody is denying that Russia is facing financial problems. However the problem is relative. But repurcussion of the financial problem for hardy Russian people are different than what would be for soft westerners. Russians survived the fall of USSR and abysmal loot by western backed mafias whom only Putin's ascendance managed to get rid of. Yes, it bred some purely Russian mafia, but at least the draining of resources to a greater extend was stemmed and Russia surged ahead. Now, again Russia is facing difficulties because of west, which reminds Russians of past misdeeds of West and hence they have buckled down to face the hard winter. Also, the recent crisis will bode well for future of Russian economy as when it did prevent Russia from exporting stuff, it also prevented importing and thus giving an impetus to home industry.

Further, military might of a nation which has thorough know-how of building almost every bit of tech for its modern war machines, cannot be discounted solely because of its relatively less well off economy. That is foolish to say the least. The pre-WWII USA was neither a economical powerhouse nor a military power. Just see what those 5 years did for them.

Further, it is better for an Indian to trust newschannels like RT, Sputnick, Al Jajira etc which has less lie to peddle as their focus is not on brainwashing Indians and which don't claim impartiality, than BBC, CNN etc. which are based on lies, nothing but lies, to further their agenda.

 

[Nuvneet Kundu]

Neither Russia nor USA is interested in direct confrontation with each other in a larger scale, and certainly not in each others' territory. They might use other nation's soil like they did in limited manner in Vietnam (USSR) or in Afghanistan (USA). The risk factor is too great for both of them to go directly at each others' throat.

Well said. That very succinctly summarizes the nature of the current conflict. Unlike the cold war, there is nothing that is *really* at stake. Neither, ideology, nor way of life, nor resources, nothing at all. Objectively speaking, the biggest victim (and the intended target) of this attack was Europe, not Russia. American strategic doctrine dictates that no nation or union of nations should ever be allowed to be strong enough to be able to challenge. The US propped up ultranationalists in east European nations (not just in Ukraine, but also in other countries), this small faction was provided all moral and diplomatic (propaganda) support to pick fights with Russia, knowing very well that Russia would respond. The US wanted this to happen. As soon as Russia responded, the ultranationalists used it as a rallying point to bring the fence sitting Europeans on their side.

This serves American interests well. It allows them to place American weapon systems on European soil, which wouldn't have been possible had there not been the 'moral justification' of an 'aggressive Russia'. At the very least, it divides European opinion and puts strain on the EU cohesion. Had it not been for Russia, European nations were ready to remove American military presence, but now positions have hardened and Europe can never be the same again. It is the ordinary European who is paying the price for this artificial 'Russian threat' that western propaganda machines like CNN and BBC have manufactured. It is a phony war cooked up by America to manipulate European policies.

Lately Europe had become very independent in articulating its interests, many of which were contrary to American hegemonic designs. Much of this dealt with free trade policies, currency, energy, defense and ties with China. The moment EU started taking independent steps in their self-interest, Americans started sweating at their foreheads and plotting to clip their wings. Even this refugee/migrant drama is CIA's brainchild. From the point of view of America, a weak Europe is an obedient Europe.

Short version : Perceived 'Russian aggression' has justified an American occupation of Europe.

 

[Jay Patel]

are you in US right now, You hate the Americans but love to live in America .. amen

You seem to assume a lot.

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[garg_bharat]

Ok, tell me how India is a export oriented economy and how Russia internal consumption support her economy growth.

1. India was never an export oriented economy. Who said so in the first place. This is a useless question.
However India's dependence on foreign trade is considerable. India is no longer a closed economy. Since the liberalization in early 90s, foreign trade has increased consistently and is a significant driver of job creation in India.

2. First stop using the term "economic growth". We all know China's goal seeked economic growth model.
No country is isolated in today's world. The closed economy model does not work. Russia's economy has been resilient because it produces something foreigners want, and in turn, it can buy overseas what it needs.

3. Russia is a diversified economy, may be not in the same class as China, but definitely much better than India in many respects. Russia has many positives.

 

[Razor]

Ref: Ukr,Rus

That was defensive. So even though Russia did make better, a really bad situation, it is not a very good outcome for them. But it was more or less inevitable. The winner in Ukr is USA and CHN everyone else loser to varying degrees.

To win one must go on offensive. That is what Russia seems to be doing in Western Asia (Syria and others.)

PS: Looks like the usual Zionists are getting too excited about the article in OP.

 

[garg_bharat]

@Razor, why do you say winner in Ukraine in USA?? What did USA achieve?

In conventional military sense, a military win is occupying foreign land. If you take that as objective, then Russia is the winner. It has annexed Crimea, and its proxy rules over 8% of remaining land.

In modern "economic war", bankrupting your enemy could be a win. So far it is only Ukraine that is bankrupt. Russia shows no signs of getting bankrupt.

When you say America is winning, you possibly refer to American influence on Kiev. But you have to remember that Ukraine is mostly Slav, and Slav are very resistant to enslavement. So we have to see how long that lasts.

 

[jackprince]

Ref: Ukr,Rus

That was defensive. So even though Russia did make better, a really bad situation, it is not a very good outcome for them. But it was more or less inevitable. The winner in Ukr is USA and CHN everyone else loser to varying degrees.

To win one must go on offensive. That is what Russia seems to be doing in Western Asia (Syria and others.)

PS: Looks like the usual Zionists are getting too excited about the article in OP.

I have to digress.

USA might have gotten a foothold in Western Ukraine, but that is at the cost of losing a lot of its remaining credibility. Also in trying to armtwist the EU, it farther lost the game of perception in the eyes of Europeans. Not to mention, its support for the new Nazi groups will come home to roost in future, as the Europeans have a knee-jerk hatred for Nazis in any form, and already there is division in German polity regarding the Ukraine govt., which got supressed due to migrant issue, but will raise its head in time.

Also, USA can never afford deploy heavy troops in Ukraine, and antagonise Russia whereby Russia may very well give hard reply somewhere else. Already USA is seeing the reply to its meddling in Ukraine in ME. USA lost Syria, on the verge of losing Iraq, Iran is getting stronger by Russian support and its playmate the Saudis have been put into a box by Russia.

So, to see the overall picture - not restricted to Ukraine only- diplomatically Putin has gained far more than he lost, when USA's gain is inconsequential for a longer period. USA gained a puppet new Nazi govt in a nation which is already bankrupt, and too close to Russia that it cannot maneuver too openly. But Russia gained half of the ME who are far from being bankrupt, as allies. Russia even managed to make many Europeans to see the hypocrisy as well as high-handedness of USA.

 

[Razor]

@Razor, why do you say winner in Ukraine in USA?? What did USA achieve?

In conventional military sense, a military win is occupying foreign land. If you take that as objective, then Russia is the winner. It has annexed Crimea, and its proxy rules over 8% of remaining land.

In modern "economic war", bankrupting your enemy could be a win. So far it is only Ukraine that is bankrupt. Russia shows no signs of getting bankrupt.

When you say America is winning, you possibly refer to American influence on Kiev. But you have to remember that Ukraine is mostly Slav, and Slav are very resistant to enslavement. So we have to see how long that lasts.

You are right that crimea has reunited w/ Rus and parts of Donbass (which is historically russia) is under Russian control. This is very good for Russia, but what I was thinking was that the US has swayed the mind of Eastern Europe and Europe in general, into an anti-Rus mood. This will prevent closer ties b/w Europe and Rus for some while into the future. It has also helped strengthen NATO, in E. Europe. This places constraints on Russia's ability to act freely in Europe.

Also with regards to the slavs, I agree Ukraine may not remain US puppet in long term, but do keep in mind that poles are slavs too and they have nearly thousand years of "hatred" towards Rus. The seeds of hatred aka bad blood, have been placed and nurtured in Ukr very well.

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@jackprince : I agree, maybe in the larger picture Russia is becoming a roadblock for the US but I was just referring to Ukraine situation alone. Besides I can't predict future.

 

[garg_bharat]

@Razor, Eastern Europe is a whore, it will go to the customer that pays more.

Do not pay attention to Eastern Europe.

The fate of EU will be decided in Berlin, Paris and London.

 

[garg_bharat]

Poles do not matter in the larger scheme of things. Poland is an insignificant country that has grown too big for its boots.

You can never erase history. Plus intentions change as per motive. Poles see benefit from anti-Russia stance. If that benefit goes away, the mood may change too.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

Better NATO do not under estimate russian military power. Russia has displayed it in Syria.

 

[Dark Sorrow]

Russian economy is mainly on domestic consumption while Indian economy is now export oriented economy ,there are a lot of more figure to check the condition of economy like debt per person,Total production factor,import export ratio etc .Russia is now under going a change from minerals to advance technology export similarly to what Israel did in 90s ,plus there is a lot of disinformation about their economy and it offers a conflicting picture ,take this link for example
http://russia-insider.com/en/business/spin-those-numbers-how-forbes-makes-russia-propaganda/ri13122
Also what Russia buy in military is paid in ruble and the value of ruble does not effect the change in defense budget.The author of this article lacks common sense and lie are pathetic ,so transparent.

I think you are completely misinformed sir.
Russian economy is completely based on exports of the products Petroleum and petroleum products, natural gas, metals, wood and wood products, chemicals, and arms industry.
On the contrary Indian economy is more geared towards on domestic consumption compared to Russia. India along with US, PRC, Germany and France (to certain extent) can sustain itself based on on domestic consumption.
Please don't mis-represent fact for your love of Putin and Russia.

 

[Dark Sorrow]

Russia has a trade surplus, even after huge drop in oil price.

Where do you get your figures? Do you even live in China?

You need to look at the volume of their exports w.r.t. petroleum products, natural gas, metals, wood, chemicals, and arms industry.
Trade surplus is no gauge to determine if your economy is export oriented or based on domestic consumption.
Russian imports are limited due to fundamental fact their population is small and decreasing.

 

[garg_bharat]

@Dark Sorrow, it does not matter what Russia exports, even if it is pig poo. If there are customers overseas, it will export.

Most Indians have little idea about the export/import of own country, let alone Russia.

Neither India nor Russia have "export oriented" economies.

The basic fact is that sanctions have worked both ways. The reduced exports have been offset with reduced imports.

So Russians have stopped importing fancy European cars. The sales of German cars has crashed. Interestingly Hyundai is doing well in Russian market.

 

[garg_bharat]

Investment is always driven by what is most profitable. Obviously Russia has plentiful natural resources. So mining and hydrocarbons will attract the most capital. This is how free markets work.

People complain when it is capitalism. People complain when it is socialism. I guess it is just a bias against Russia.

 

[garg_bharat]

@saty, I like your style.
IAF be damned for buying Su-30 and Mig-29.
Army be damned for buying T-90 and T-72.
Navy be damned for buying Vikramaditya.

from a highly corrupt ........ nation.