Don't aggravate problems on border, China tells India

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    Don't aggravate problems on border, China tells India - The Times of India

    Reuters | Dec 1, 2013, 07.40 PM IST.

    NEW DELHI/SHANGHAI: China on Saturday urged India not to aggravate problems on the border shared by the two nations, a day after the Indian president toured a disputed region and called it an integral part of the country.

    The two countries, which fought a brief border war in 1962, only last month signed a pact to ensure that differences on the border do not spark a confrontation.

    However, President Pranab Mukherjee's visit to Arunachal Pradesh that China claims as its own provoked a fresh exchange of words.

    "We hope that India will proceed along with China, protecting our broad relationship, and will not take any measures that could complicate the problem, and together we can protect peace and security in the border regions," China's official news agency, Xinhua, quoted Qin Gang, a spokesman of the country's ministry of foreign affairs, as saying.

    "Currently China-India relations are developing favourably and both sides are going through special envoy meetings and amicable discussions to resolve the border dispute between our two countries."

    Mukherjee was on a routine visit to Arunachal which has been part of the Indian state for decades, and where India has regularly been holding elections.However, China has of late grown increasingly assertive and questioned New Delhi's claims over the territory, calling it instead South Tibet.

    Mukherjee told members of the state's legislative assembly it was "a core stakeholder in India's Look East foreign policy" that intends to link the country's northeast with South East Asia.

    "We seek to make our neighbours partners in our development," Mukherjee said in Itanagar, the state capital. "We believe that India's future and our own best economic interests are served by closer integration with Asia."

    China lays claim to more than 90,000 sq km (35,000 sq miles) disputed by New Delhi in the eastern sector of the Himalayas, while India says China occupies 38,000 square km of its territory on the Aksai Chin plateau in the west.
     
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  3. W.G.Ewald

    W.G.Ewald Defence Professionals/ DFI member of 2 Defence Professionals

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    China tells everybody in the world what to say and do. They will never shut up.
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    Actually, is one sees the issue dispassionately, it is China which is aggravating problems the world over.

    Typical of the Chinese to pretend they are so cute like their Pandas.
     
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    What Is Projection? - Defense Mechanisms
    China is mentally ill.
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    China has a serious problem of inferiority complex.

    They are living in the past and cannot get over the 100 Years of National Shame, when they were kicked around the deck by the Western Power and Japan.

    For details you may read the thread 'Unhappy China'.

    The CCP has undertaken 'Patriotic Education' that exhorts the Chinese never to forget their 100 Years of National Shame and work towards regaining their prestige and honour.

    This attitude towards historical ignominy heaped on them and the CCP's Patriotic Education Programme has led to a megalomania, more so because they feel that their economic upsurge has made the world beholden to them and if China does not cooperate the world will just collapse like a pack of cards.

    Little to they realise that their belligerence will only ensure that the world turns away from China and she folds up in the bargain, more so if other Nations form strategic and economic partnership, a direction in which great strides are being made.

    They are dreaming as to how many wars they will have to fight to ensure that China captures areas they in their hegemonic imperialism claim.

    Indeed, they are sick people, who have lost their sense of balance!
     
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    An inferiority complex is a mostly unconscious sense of inadequacy which can manifest in strange ways as someone attempts to compensate for it. People with inferiority complexes believe that they are not as worthy or skilled as their peers, which can cause considerable psychological distress, whether or not they are aware of these feelings on a conscious level. This psychological condition can be treated through psychotherapy, in which the roots of the complex are explored to help the patient process it and move forward.

    The theory of the inferiority complex was proposed in the 1920s by Alfred Adler. Adler believed that everyone started out experiencing feelings of inferiority in childhood, due to the inherently unequal position and psychological dependence experienced by children. As people matured, most managed to move past this sense of inferiority to grow into fully functioning adults, but some became trapped in this mindset, developing an inferiority complex and experiencing a persistent sense of inadequacy.

    Someone with an inferiority complex simultaneously wants to be recognized and praised, but also fears humiliation. Many have experienced humiliation in the past, and have built up fears around the idea of being mocked by peers. As a result, overcompensation is common to avoid being humiliated and to establish a barrier between patient and society. Some people with inferiority complexes overcompensate by becoming shy and engaging in self-diminishment, while others may become aggressive, attempting to overcome their psychological distress by dominating.

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    Note the last paragraph & check it with the manner in which China addresses issues.

    The 100 Years Of National Shame is seriously weighing on their mind, psychology & is shaping their psyche
     
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  8. AVERAGE INDIAN

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    Chinese style, with bouts of harsh public bullying and almost continuous if discreet applications of pressure :cool2:They don't like sanctions, embargoes, human rights monitors or peace-enforcement operations:rolleyes:

    China has asserted its power. While the Indian foreign policy establishment tries to defuse tensions by claiming that all is well with India-China relations.Grave concerns have been expressed in strategic states like Assam and Arunachal Pradesh that China intends not only to take over land in Arunachal Pradesh and Assam, but also plans to divert one of the major rivers of the region, the Brahmaputra, originating in Tibet. The Indian defense establishment also expresses worry over China’s aggressive postures, as do Indian strategic analysts. but our idiotic leaders sleep in slumber and all they want is madam jiii's blessing and filling their Swiss accounts hope Chinese hackers hack their accounts
    :frusty:
     
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    Table defence agreement with China in Parliament: BJP

    BJP Sunday asked the UPA government to table in Parliament during its forthcoming winter session the

    Border Defence Agreement Cooperation signed with China by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh in Beijing in October.

    BJP president Rajnath Singh also said that Prime Minister Manmohan Singh did not think of taking Parliament into confidence before entering into the agreement.

    "Recently Prime Minister Manmohan Singh visited China where he signed the Border Defence Cooperation Agreement which has many controversial clauses. One clause, as I am made to understand, is that border forces of either country would not tail each other if they inadvertently entered each other's territory," he said, addressing a public rally here.

    "They (UPA) did not take Parliament into confidence. Parliament session is starting from December 5. We will raise this question in the Parliament...the agreement with China should be tabled in Parliament," he said.

    The BJP leader also said India should issue stapled visas to Tibetans in response to China issuing such visas to those living in Arunachal Pradesh and Jammu and Kashmir.

    "If China says it will issue stapled visa to people of Arunachal Pradesh and J&K, Prime Minister should tell China strongly that India will also issue stapled visas to people living in Tibet...this answer should be given to them," Singh said.

    Criticising the stand taken by India during the incursion by Chinese troops into Indian territory, he said, "Chinese Army stayed in tents in DoB for 21 days. I want to ask the PM and External Affairs Minister why Chinese and Indian Army troops retreated? China had to leave as they had intruded into this side, but why Indian troops were forced to return from their own land? PM and External Affairs Minister should answer to people of India."

    Table defence agreement with China in Parliament: BJP - Indian Express
     
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    Creeping China

    NEW DELHI – China’s growing geopolitical heft is emboldening its territorial creep in Asia. After laying claim to 80% of the South China Sea, it has just established a so-called air defense identification zone in the East China Sea, raising the odds of armed conflict with Japan and threatening the principle of freedom of navigation of the seas and skies. Meanwhile, the People’s Republic continues to nibble furtively at territory across the long, disputed Himalayan border with India.

    CommentsView/Create comment on this paragraphFew seem to fathom the logic behind China’s readiness to take on several neighbors simultaneously. China is seeking to alter the status quo gradually as part of a high-stakes effort to extend its control to strategic areas and resources. President Xi Jinping’s promise of national greatness – embodied in the catchphrase “China dream” – is tied as much to achieving regional hegemony as to internal progress.

    CommentsView/Create comment on this paragraphChina’s approach reflects what the Chinese general Zhang Zhaozhong this year called a “cabbage” strategy: assert a territorial claim and gradually surround the area with multiple layers of security, thus denying access to a rival. The strategy relies on a steady progression of steps to outwit opponents and create new facts on the ground.

    CommentsView/Create comment on this paragraphThis approach severely limits rival states’ options by confounding their deterrence plans and making it difficult for them to devise proportionate or effective counter-measures. This is partly because the strategy – while bearing all the hallmarks of modern Chinese brinkmanship, including reliance on stealth, surprise, and a disregard for the risks of military escalation – seeks to ensure that the initiative remains with China.

    CommentsView/Create comment on this paragraphThe pattern has become familiar: construct a dispute, initiate a jurisdictional claim through periodic incursions, and then increase the frequency and duration of such intrusions, thereby establishing a military presence or pressuring a rival to cut a deal on China’s terms. What is ours is ours, the Chinese invariably claim, and what is yours is negotiable. For example, China says “no foundation for dialogue” with Japan exists unless the Japanese accept the existence of a territorial dispute over the uninhabited Senkaku Islands.
    CommentsView/Create comment on this paragraphHere, as elsewhere, China has painted its rival as the obstructionist party. As Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi put it, “Japan needs to recognize that there is such a dispute. The whole world knows that there is a dispute.” But there is a dispute only because China has succeeded in shaking the status quo in recent years by popularizing the islands’ Chinese name (“Diaoyu”) and staging incursions into their territorial waters and airspace.

    CommentsView/Create comment on this paragraphAfter steadily increasing the frequency of those incursions since September 2012, China has recently begun increasing their duration. The establishment of a new air defense identification zone extending over the islands is its latest cabbage-style security “layer” – a unilateral power grab that US Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel quickly branded “a destabilizing attempt to alter the status quo in the region.” The zone even covers the sky over the Leodo (Suyan) Reef, a submerged rock that both South Korea and China claim. As China escalates its campaign of attrition against a resolute Japan, it increases the risk of armed conflict, whether by accident or miscalculation.

    CommentsView/Create comment on this paragraphChina’s strategy has had more success – without provoking serious risks – against the weaker Philippines. This is apparent from China’s effective seizure last year of Scarborough Shoal, located well within the Philippines’ exclusive economic zone, and the controlling presence of Chinese vessels this year around the Second Thomas Shoal, part of the disputed Spratly Islands. China has not yet tried to evict the eight Filipino marines still living on the Second Thomas Shoal, but Zhang has included this shoal in the country’s “series of achievements” in the South China Sea.

    CommentsView/Create comment on this paragraphChina is not aiming for control of just a few shoals or other tiny outcroppings; it seeks to dominate the South and East China Seas strategically and corner maritime resources, including seabed minerals. The combined land area of the Senkaku and Spratly Islands amounts to barely 11 square kilometers; but the islands are surrounded by rich hydrocarbon reserves. While seeking to enlarge incrementally its military footprint in the more than 80% of the South China Sea that it claims, China’s aim in the East China Sea is to break out of the so-called “first island chain,” a string of archipelagos along the East Asian coast that includes the Senkaku Islands and Taiwan.

    CommentsView/Create comment on this paragraphBy contrast, vast tracts of disputed land are at stake in the resource-rich Himalayan region. Here, too, China’s incursions, after increasing in frequency, are now being staged intermittently for longer periods.
    CommentsView/Create comment on this paragraphMake no mistake: China’s territorial creep is contributing to Asian insecurity, fueling political tension, and turning the world’s economically most vibrant continent into a potentially global hot spot.

    CommentsView/Create comment on this paragraphTo be sure, China is careful to avoid any dramatic action that could become a casus belli by itself. Indeed, it has repeatedly shown a knack for disaggregating its strategy into multiple parts and then pursuing each element separately in such a manner as to allow the different pieces to fall into place with minimal resistance.

    CommentsView/Create comment on this paragraphThis shrewdness not only keeps opponents off balance; it also undercuts the relevance of US security assurances to allies and the value of building countervailing strategic partnerships in Asia. In fact, by camouflaging offense as defense, China casts the burden of starting a war on an opponent, while it seeks to lay the foundation – brick by brick – of a hegemonic Middle Kingdom. Chinese leaders’ stated desire to resolve territorial disputes peacefully simply means achieving a position strong enough to get their way without having to fire a shot.

    Read more at Brahma Chellaney picks apart China's "cabbage" strategy for securing hegemony in East Asia. - Project Syndicate
     
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    we, US, only use bombers to say and do. Weird Chinese shut up! Your J10/j11b are chunk. LCA is ready in this winter. How dare you are!
     
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    Inferior chinese don't deserve to live on earth.
    They should be exterminated with that filthy ugly animal panda as soon as possible.
    I hate that dumb sh8t fat a&& lazy animal.Pandas should be tortured before they are killed.
    chinese are the fugliest human being on earth.
     
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    Hey hey hey ... calm down buddy !

    Why do you treat Swines as Pandas ? :confused:

    Lets not kill innocent Pandas, instead target only filthy swines :sarc:

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    Nazi said the same thing. But American stop it. Otherwise, the world belongs to nazi and Indian. Bad!
     
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    Okay, some emotions are understandably running high. China has managed to rile up widespread resentment all over Asia with its condescending attitude towards its neighbors. And to think that China is not even a superpower yet. Just imagine if it becomes one.

    The mere thought of it (superpower China) is enough to send shivers down my spine...
     
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    angeldude13 Lestat De Lioncourt Senior Member

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    I think you are right.
    Chinese look like pigs and Mao is the most heinous pig to be ever born on earth.
    But i don't like pandas :tongue:
    they look stupid and dumb.
     
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    Indian always like the countries conqested them. UK Japan, now our US. I wonder if one day china conqest India, Indian will eat xxx and say it is delicious.
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    Eat pigs?

    Please understand that in this forum we don't like People insulted without facts.

    What do you mean calling China pig?
     
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    Yes we need clean the forum. So many bad words. American don't like them
     
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    You are as American as the the Pandas are American.
     
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    We American don't like violence. We need o be gentleman. Nazism is not be allowed in US.
     

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