Don’t Push Us Too Far On Kashmir: It Is Ours, Pakistan Warned US

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  1. Rage

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    Don’t Push Us Too Far On Kashmir, It Is Ours: Pakistan Warned US

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    WASHINGTON – US had asked Pakistan in 2002 to end infiltration across the Line of Control in Jammu and Kashmir but was instead told not to “push it too far” on the issue with an assertion that “Kashmir should have been ours”, according to declassified documents. This communication forms part of a meeting Richard Haass, the then Director of Policy Planning Staff at the US State Department, had with an unnamed Pakistani military official on October 31, 2002 to discuss US-Pak cooperation a year after the deadly 9/11 attacks in the US.

    “On Kashmir, Haass stressed the importance of ending infiltration, but the Pak official warned the US not to push Pakistan too far on Kashmir,” classified documents released on Monday said.

    According to the document, Haass told the top official that he was pleased about the (Indian) announcement of troop pullback from the border as de-escalation would free resources to be devoted to sealing the Afghan border and counter-terrorism.

    “It appeared that India wanted to renew contacts but continued infiltration was a barrier to progress,” Haass said.

    “The US believed that infiltration was continuing. Stopping it would help Pakistan’s cause with the US and India. Infiltration hurts Pakistan’s friends efforts to help it,” he said, according to the documents.

    The Pakistan official agreed that Kashmir was the issue “bedevilling our relations”. But Pakistan’s Kashmir position was “based on justice”, he argued.

    “Kashmir should have been ours. The Pakistani people would not agree to make the LOC (Line of Control) the international border. Kashmir had cost Musharraf a lot, as had his decision to help the CT coalition.

    “Musharraf’s detractors had hit him on both Kashmir and Afghanistan. India had tried to exploit the political atmosphere after 9/11,” the Pak official said.

    “Haass relied that he perceived an opportunity to improve the situation in and surrounding Kashmir. India seemed to realize that lack of political and economic opportunity and abuse of human rights created support for insurgency and a better context for diplomacy was now being created.

    “Haas said that both improved governance and diplomacy were key to moving forward on Kashmir,” the documents said.

    At the same meeting, Pakistan pleaded with the US to provide it with an aerial surveillance capability.

    Pakistan would have no objection to the same capability being provided to India, the Pakistani official said and proposed that it might be an excellent confidence building measure, as if the two sides could see what was happening across the border to reduce the possibility of misconstruing what the other side was doing, the documents said.


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  3. neo29

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    After 9/11 when Richard Armitage went to Pakistan to discuss about bases and attack plan on Taliban. When Pakis were sceptical, he just warned them that they would bomb Pakistan back to stone age. Pakistan had to comply. 2 years later when US is completely dependent on Pakistan on the Afghan war surely they will act and give such statements as US needs them. Nothing surprising.
     
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    Pakistan does not realise that India is being pushed too far and not them.

    Further, if the West has to leave Afghanistan without some face saving, then Pakistan will be in deep trouble, China at their side or not!

    Stoneage would be too recent a phenomenon that will hit Pakistan.
     
  5. sesha_maruthi27

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    When OBAMA started his campaign for the U.S. Presidential elections he stated that if he comes to power he would destroy Pakistan, which is the safe heaven for the terrorists. So, U.S. will hit Pakistan soon.:emot154:
     
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    ^^^^

    Are you sure Obama said that he will destroy Pakistan ??? I dont think i have ever heard that.

    Yes, US may hit Pakistan but it is a very remote chance unless Pakistan does something really bad.

    Is it not clear that US already knows that Pakistan and ISI are supporting Taliban and are undoing everything that the US is doing in this region, and still US does not even confront Pakistan on this issue in the open. Probably Pakistan nukes are the only thing that are stopping US from taking action against Pakistan.
     
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    Yes, Kashmir is theirs.

    And Pakistan is ours. Let's see how it pans out.
     
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    If India has to go for war with Pak, then American presence might be necessary in Afghan region. India shouldn't wait for another mumbai attack, up the ante. Prolonging actions which should have been taken after 26/11 will only make India suffer. India should use guerrilla tactics, tempers are soaring because of the kashmir issue, deal with the problem unconventionally .
     
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    Armitage had said that Pakistan would be blown into the Stoneage. Not too sure about Obama, though he had mentioned something or the other about Pakistan during the Presidential Debates.

    US surely would love to smack Pakistan right across the face, but it just can't do so and instead has to soft soap them about being a non Nato ally and such silly sops which means a sausage actually.

    The US can't do anything but humour Pakistan because the only economical route into Afghanistan is through Pakistan.

    If they upset Pakistan, the other route is through Iran and onto the Indian built highway in Afghanistan, which they cannot use since Iran is, as per the US, 'axis of evil' or the air corridor from CAR which will financially unsustainable.

    So, Pakistan has to be mollycoddled by the US!
     
  10. Sri

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    Obama is Carter 2.0. Expect nothing.
     
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    Musharaf´s book "in the line of fire" wherein he has acknowledged the stone age remarks by Richard Armitage, but Obama has never said any such to the best of my knowledge.

    It was US alone who enlisted Pakistan as non NATO ally.
    As for mollycoddling, its been happening since six decades a la Paton tanks, saber jets, TOWs, Harpoons, F-16s, Frigates, Ghazi submarine, P-3 Orion and the list will go long - Afghanistan notwithstanding.
     
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    Correct!

    Pakistan had nukes when they were delivered an ultimatum of turning them into stone-age. Musharaf said during the appearance on TV, this moment (9-11) is even more complicated than 1971.

    Refresh your memories here: Are nuclear weapons safe in Pakistan? : The New Yorker
     
  13. sesha_maruthi27

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    U.S. knows that Pkistan and ISI help the taliban and even osama-bin-ladden. R.A.W. has provided proofs to the C.I.A.

    I heard in a news. It aired the particular phrase " Attacking pakistan" very clearly.

    See this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uw2XTC1V4fk
     
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  14. Daredevil

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    No, Obama didn't say that. What he said was that if he become president he will allow hot pursuit of terrorists even into Pakistan, meaning he will allow ground troops to follow the fleeing Taliban into Pakistan and kill them.
     
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    HAHAAHAHAHAHAA! Nice joke! US should have asked "Or what are you gonna do? Blow yourself up?" :emot15:
     
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    pakistan warned usa....lol..............rather reality is this..................:emot15:


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    Wrong....Rather it is due to american presence in Afghanistan and pakistan india didnt attack pakistan twice in 2002 and 2008 even in the face of maximum provocation. American presence has given pakistan a kind of insurance against indian attack. same is happening in POK.Pakistan is slowly seceding gilgit-baltistan to china thereby securing it from any future indian attack.Now best option for india in case of war, lies in attacking balochistan through sea.but that window too is getting closed with the chinese presence there.
     

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