Don’t have capability/intention to match China force for force: Navy

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  1. Mariner HK

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    Admitting that India neither has the "capability nor the intention" to match China's military strength, Chairman of Chiefs of Staff Committee and Navy chief Admiral Sureesh Mehta said here today that "common sense dictates" that India needs to cooperate with China rather than confront it.

    "In military terms, both conventional and non-conventional, we neither have the capability nor the intention to match China, force for force. These are indeed sobering thoughts and therefore our strategy to deal with China would need to be in consonance with these realities," Mehta said, delivering an address on National Security Challenges organized by the National Maritime Foundation.

    In his address, perhaps his last in public as Navy chief — he retires month-end — Mehta said: "Common sense dictates that cooperation with China would be preferable to competition or conflict, as it would be foolhardy to compare India and China as equals...Whether in terms of GDP, defence spending or any other economic, social or development parameter, the gap between the two is just too wide to bridge and getting wider by the day," the officer said.

    Warning that China will be one of India's primary challenges in the years ahead, Mehta said that the country is in the process of consolidating its "comprehensive national power" and is creating "formidable military capabilities" and boundary issues between the countries could lead to mistrust.

    "Once that is done, China is likely to be more assertive on its claims, especially in its immediate neighbourhood. Our 'trust deficit' with China can never be liquidated unless our boundary problems are resolved," the Navy Chief said.

    Pointing out that India's expenditure on Defence has been hovering around a low two percent of GDP in recent years, Mehta said that the strategy to deal with China on the military front would be to introduce modern technology and create a "reliable stand-off deterrent."

    "On the military front, our strategy to deal with China must include reducing the military gap and countering the growing Chinese footprint in the Indian Ocean Region," the officer said.

    However, he warned that unless spending on defence is increased substantially, the military gap could even widen further. "Let alone bridging the gap between us and our potential adversaries, without a substantial increase, the gap may widen further and dilute our operational edge," Mehta said.

    Making it clear that India needs to grow out of its Pakistan-centric approach when it comes to strategic planning, Mehta said that China's growing power should be a major consideration in future national planning.

    "China's known propensity for intervention in space and cyber warfare would also be major planning considerations in our strategic and operational thinking," he said.

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    Re: Don’t have capability/intention to match China force for force: Na

    The funny thing is, China's military spending as a % of GDP is even lower than India's. If China spent the same amount on defense as a proportion of GDP as the United States did, then China would instantly triple its defense budget
     
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    LoL its 4% and nearly twice of India's. India needs to cooperate with Japan, US and SK. Not sure what he sees as chinese capability. The chinese naval capability ranges from mediocre to low quality. Just see how happy pakis are with the chinese subs.
     
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    Re: Don’t have capability/intention to match China force for force: Na

    Don't really buy the Chinese numbers though. They don't report spending on their nuke systems and their currency is artificially undervalued on the international market, so it's hard to tell exactly how much resources they are expending on the military.
     
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    CHina's nominal GDP is 4+ times size of India's while its milidary budget is only 3 times of India's .....

    So, use you head to scan you word again.
     
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    Lets see, Chinas real GDP is the size of Japan and real spending near $160 billion plus a security budget above that. You spend nearly 10% just to secure the country and look at what you get. :lol:
     
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    your data is outdated..

    the additonal GDP of China last year is almost equal to the GDP of India.

    2012, China's real GDP > Japan+France.
     
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    Funny..no link to this supposed story. Like chinese military capability seems mostly vaporware.
     
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    China's 2012 GDP, at nominal exchange rates, was about $8.25 trillion (source: Report for Selected Countries and Subjects)

    10% of that is $825B. China's declared security and defense budgets totaled about $250B. Unless Armand somehow knows that China is magicallly throwing another $500-600B into defense spending, he's basically talking out his ass and should be moderated as such.
     
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    China's nominal GDP for 2012 is $8.25T. China's nominal defense budget for 2012 was ~$110B. That's about 1.3%. Not sure where you're getting the 4% figure from
     
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    What happens to the nominal GDP after adjusting for inflation and monetary manipulation? I am sure it still will be larger than India, but I would like to know how nominal and real GDPs look like side by side.
     
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    Re: Don’t have capability/intention to match China force for force: Na

    chinese war ships lacks radar,missile range and subs are out dated many years ago
     
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    Re: Don’t have capability/intention to match China force for force: Na

    Why would India should be comparing to PLAN ? What we have is already way enough for PLAN ..

    This is the note from Admiral to all those Journalists who are publishing this vs that every day in India & Its quite irritating coz it lack productive info..
     
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    Re: Don’t have capability/intention to match China force for force: Na

    any doubts? here is the quaterly china GDP between 2010-2012 ...nominal and real figures both listed..
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    this table shows the situation of both china and india...the Nominal and Real GDP Growth Rates of year 2011.
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    Re: Don’t have capability/intention to match China force for force: Na

    aussies day dreaming. they need a hedge against china buying them out.
     
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    Re: Don’t have capability/intention to match China force for force: Na

    PLAN can murder IN in a fight. It is so obvious today. I wouldn't have said the same thing three or four years ago, but IN's not been doing anything for the last few years while PLAN has been adding ship after ship the last 5 years.

    It is true that the PLAN is mostly unmatched by its neighbors. Let Japan and USN handle PLAN.

    It is a much better situation for the air force and the army. They rely a lot on imports which give a technological edge over PLA and PLAAF.
     
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    LoL PLAN will be lucky if it can sail out of south china sea in one piece. I will be at the bottom of the sea long before they are 100 miles from their own coast. I would doubt IAF's capability or IA's when the war brings sanctions and stoppage of weapons from their suppliers.
     
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    @Kunal don't you think some one need to send jail for the worst conditions of our force pls tell me who is responsible for that conditions .

    Some one should go to suprime court and ask the question ?

    well we have to compare our self with our enemy .
     
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