Does Palestine exists on this planet?

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  1. HeinzGud

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  3. Nagraj

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    Naah not on this planet!
    Try mars!
    Palestine lost all legitimacy when they started bombing isreal!
    No matter how much any one supports palestine cause or how legitimate it is as an indian i will never be on the side that chooses terrorism to fulfill it's goal.
     
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    Heinz Guderian,

    Do not give such ideas to Pakistanis or they will also start claiming that in fact they are the real Palestinians and Jews as they are also in search of an identity. They may also say that Jinha was born in Israel.
     
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    Its india affiars section.what plaestian issue doing it in this section.
     
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    ^^^ thread could be moved to right section.
    or may be could be closed to avoid the shit storm that will hit it both from palestine/Arab fanboys and isreal/American lover.:cool2::cool2:
     
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    Mods change the thread to a more suitable location! I screwed it up!

    I just found out this videos they gave valuable details.............. so I posted it!
     
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    Yup!
    Palestine fan boys needs to view it!
     
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    it has always suprised me that when the hassminite kingdom of Jordan and the Arab republic of Egypt occupied the west bank and the gaza strip No Sob cried at the " occupation" of the Land Funny is it Not ? our next door neighbour pakistan even recognized the anxation of the west bank by Trans jordan
     
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    Actually Jordan is the Palestine but the corrupt Arab rulers wants the Jews killed!
     
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    HG may the Light of knowlage shine on you . you are now officaly iluminated
     
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    Yes, Palestine is the land that is currently called 'Israel'.
     
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    if you call a donkey a horse and belive in it then no one can help you
     
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    @HeinzGud

    Considering Bigoted videos as "factual videos" doesn't make them factual. Particularly an old man ranting stereotypes who looks like he needs some laxatives to calm down.

    As TomCat said, calling a donkey a horse doesn't make it one.

    The UN, the International Court of Justice and 100+ countries consider the West Bank and Gaza as occupied territories which are Arab majority and were suppose to be an independent state. Arabs (Muslims and Christians) in these areas don't have the right to vote or even the right to move freely in these areas. While terrorism used by militant Palestinians groups is certainly condemnable and should be continued to do so; if the hard figures of civilian death tolls are looked into you will see how disproportionately high numbers are Palestinians and that too children.

    If you want to read about concessions from source documents, please do read the Palestine papers that shows the extent of concessions that were given as late as 2008-09. Concessions included the biggest Jerusalem for Israel, no Palestinian armed forces and only symbolic return of refugees of around 10,000-15,000 from an estimated (400,000) Palestine Papers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The Arab Peace Plan since 2002 and approved by the OIC has clearly stated that once a two state solution is established, they will RECOGNIZE Israel and establish full diplomatic and trade relations with Israel. The main points were (1) Just settlement of the Palestinians refugees who were driven out of their land in the initial war in 1948 (2) Withdrawal from the 1967 Line or West Bank and Gaza and (3) East Jerusalem as capital of the new Palestinians state. So here is a government level declaration endorsed by multilateral institution that in principle recognizes Israel conditional to the creation of a viable Palestinian state.

    This is what Israel herself agreed to in the Oslo accords and what President Bush and Obama said is the eventual policy. The Quartet - UN, EU, Russia and US has made the two state solution as a fundamental pillar of the peace process. So when the entire world including Israel recognizes Palestinians and that these are the people they are negotiating with. So either the entire world are fools or the crazy old man ranting on youtube is. Pick you choice.

    If you really want to learn about the conflict and give an informed discussion on the conflict. Check out the Wikipedia entry that is well maintained and gives an overview the conflict
    Israeli–Palestinian conflict - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
     
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    I think you know who occupy GAZA and WEST BANK if you don't know GAZA is occupied by Egypt and WEST BANK is by Jordan!

    You wanna no why Israel can't accept the 2002 OIC peace plan that's because Israel cannot give up the Golan height and I think you know why!

    My concern here is not Palestinian refugees but the history of their fate! If you are sure that the videos are wrong pls post your ideas here so everyone can see!
     
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    here is the present generation of Palestine

    palestine struggle is not about palestine state it's about killing all the jews.:frusty:
     
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    This topic should be moved from india affiares section.isreal-palestain issue is not an indian affiar.
    @mod pleas close the topic or move the topic international section.
     
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    The main point you raised in this thread is the question wether the Palestinians are a people who have a right to self-determination and their own state. The answer to that is Yes. And this is something that is recognised by almost every country in the world.

    182 countries never agree on any thing but the General Assembly resolution regarding this which was passed recently is almost unanimously in recognising the Palestinian people and their right to self-determination. The result was 182-7

    Even leaving the against vote of US and Israel aside, both countries have endorsed the Oslo peace accords that diretly recognise the PA as the representative of the "Palestinian people"

    And you might need to refresh you knowledge of Palestine because currently West Bank and Gaza are controlled by the Israeli military. There have been Israeli Supreme Court rulings that have recognised settlements as illegal and built on "belligerent territory".

    Regarding the Golan heights, again the International law that land can't be gained by war applies. And this is something that Ehud Barak had agreed to in the 1999-2000 negotiations before his govt. fell. So it is not inconcieveble that Golan heights can be returned in return for full diplomatic relations and trade relations with all Arab League and OIC countries.

    Here is a link from Pro-Israeli website regarding a deal where Netanyahu(the most right-wing PM in Israel) as well had reached an understanding of withdrawing from Golan heights in return for security guarantees. So its not an impossible task
    Netanyahu Reached Agreement with Syria on Golan

    Palestinian bashing videos really are no talking points. If you have something to debate on, lists those points and we can have a discussion. How can we have a discussion where a video says that God gave the land of Israel to the Jewish people so its theirs? That is like Pakistanis claiming parts of India because of some obscure GhazwatulHind saying of the Prophet.

    If you look at the official positions of the Palestinian Authority, the Arab govts. e.t.c. they are all willing to provide conditional recognition to Israel. So lets move ahead from the stereotype of all Palestinians are terrorists and trying to kill Jews as well as all Israelis are imperialists indulging in genocide of the Palestinian people and look at the facts.

    I don't agree with the maximalist Palestinian position that there should be no Israel which they held until the 1993 Oslo accords. Neither the maiximalist loony right wing Israeli position that God gave all of Israel to the jews so the Palestinians (who are referred to as Philistines in their own holy books) should be removed from the lands that they have historically lived in.

    The majority of both Israelis and Palestininas in various polls have supported the two state solution, it is supported by a super majority of all governments in the world. And even those who oppose it (namely ISrael and US) have been negotiating on that same premise since the Oslo accords.

    So our discussion should be how we can get the two state solution that will be in Israeli interests and provide relief to the Palestinians as well from the last 60 years of suffering rather than indulging our fancies in irrelevant question of wether Palestinans exist or not.
     
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    I do consider Palestinian people do have a right to self governance! But the issue I raised was really a land called Palestine exist of earth now! BTW it is also interesting to know that Palestinian do not seem interested in governing themselves if they do there would have no need for the second Intifada.

    Gaza Strip - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    West Bank - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    the sum of the above quotes are Gaza is currently governed by HAMAS and West Bank governed by Palestinian National Authority

    What Nethayahu agreed accoding to your link was to establish a strategic early warning station on Mt.Hermon and this link clearly states Nethayahu denied to go back pre 1967 boader because for the obvious reason that Israel cannot commite suicide.

    Actually Philistine are not the people today called Palestine. Palestine is a Latin word for people of Philistine but today the whole world is referring the Arabs as Philistines. Which is absurd!

    Also if Palestinians wanted the so called peace and harmony they could have had it! But they rejected it. Israel was born with the same Palestinian state but today anyone can see how much far Israel has gone comparing to the Palestine. Palestinian had sufferd for a 60 years for their own faluts not of Israel.
     

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