Does Kashmir belong to Pakistan?

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If you believe it belongs to kashmiris, get the hell out of gilgit-baltistan..... practice what you preach....

Kashmir belongs to the Kashmiris untill the day arrives that they are given a choice to decide their own future.
 

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you are an Idiot of First class !!

Muslims wanted a land for themselves and India gave them .... Partition is never based on equality.

Muslims are 95 million and Hindus are 235 Million at the time of partition.

How come partition be equal??


India generously gave the land to muslims ..... too much of fake glorification of Pakistan and its history will result in delusions and you are in one of them.

Pakistani Muslims out of delusions thought that they can conquer India, once they realized their british trained Pakistani army cannot take on same british trained Indian army.

They thought they are equals to India.

1971 proved that Pakistan is inferior to India, then they wanted to implemnt "death by 1000 cuts".

Now the terror created by them is killing them.

In this whole close to 7 decades they never realized who they were and what pakistan is .... You also come in that category.
India didn't give us anything, the British did under al law accepted by all political parties at that time. States with muslim majorities would automatically go to Pakistan with the exception of princely states where plebs would decide the fate of the territory.
 

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Great move. UK should bring it to Strasbourg and have a EU debate on HR violations, specially about AFSPA.
Politics of survival at play.
 

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I am an Indian patriot but can't help but wonder whether Kashmir belongs to Pakistan.

First off, Kashmir is Muslim majority, and according to the partition plan, muslim-majority areas are supposed to go to Pakistan. But Indians argue that the kashmir king gave kashmir away to India. But this argument is not valid for two reasons. First, the king was hindu. Second, even giving away a house or small property is not easy ... so how can we be arrogant enough to think that one man had the right to give away an entire state (the size of many countries in Europe) to India? Surely, the aspirations of the people are more important.

So for these reasons, I wonder whether India violently snatched Kashmir away from Pakistan ... and hence Pakistan is justified in fighting back?
Who told you Muslim majority princely state were going to Pakistan, it was only applicable for provinces. Moreover, we when can have 170 million Muslims in India, why can't Kashmir stay with India. Take your brainfarts somewhere else.
 

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Great move. UK should bring it to Strasbourg and have a EU debate on HR violations, specially about AFSPA.
It is not uk govt but walle back benchers , who has nothing to do in their life try to mingle with pakis woman by doing drama of support on Kashmir
 

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India didn't give us anything, the British did under al law accepted by all political parties at that time. States with muslim majorities would automatically go to Pakistan with the exception of princely states where plebs would decide the fate of the territory.
Princely states were given an option to join which ever state they want. Had Nehru not gone to UN, India's stand would not have weakened. If Hindus did not accept the partiton then there would have been a civil war, that would have determined the fate of muslims who existed in small chunks all across the country.

Balouchistan, FATA are pro India and Afghanistan is against creation of Pakistan.
 
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First Hindus are not united entity BC&SC hates Upper caste hindus more than Muslims (leave 7% tribals),In those times Cong party called as Brahmin party (upper caste).

Hindus in Pre partition are weak but politically strong,Muslims are always be like Medieval minds. Why Congress/gandi not allowed muslims to leave not bcoz of love, they afraid India may fall into theocracy (Hindu) state,they know these 10% Muslims(47 ratio) are not allow it and caste lines will brake(CHANKYA strategy).
How come Mauryan empire existed as an united entity??

Muslims are also not a united entity, you have to see clearly what is happening in Pakistan. There are always divisions in any religion.

India in current form will stay united because of the principles on which the country was built.

A state will have enemies all the times.
 

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UK Parliament debates Kashmir, says region important for world peace


London: A resolution to the Kashmir dispute is crucial for world peace, a group of cross-party lawmakers stressed on Thursday during a debate in the UK Parliament complex.

"A final resolution to the Kashmir issue is hugely important to world peace. Until the situation is resolved, the potential still exists for India and Pakistan to go to war," said Liberal Democrat MP David Ward, who had secured the debate on the 'Political and Humanitarian Situation in Kashmir' as part of the regular Backbench Business Committee application process in the House of Commons.

The Bradford MP opened the debate in Committee Room 10 with a reference to the "devastating floods which have caused despair to thousands", adding: "We simply cannot escape the British legacy; we have an obligation to take an interest in Kashmir...Offering help is far from interfering".

Britain's former minister in charge of business engagement with India, Gregory Barker MP, countered on behalf of the UK government's view.

"There is a democratic process in place and around 61 per cent of the population participated in state elections in the region, which sits as part of the world's largest democracy," he said.

"Any British insertion will be very unhelpful...India has been the subject of vile terrorist attacks and we stand shoulder to shoulder [with India] on the issue of terrorism," he added.

His views were echoed by Labour MP Barry Gardiner, who likened the discussion to the ongoing debate around Scotland's independence from the United Kingdom.

"This is almost akin to the Lok Sabha debating the merits and de-merits of Scottish independence," he said.


Around 13 cross-party MPs, including Labour's shadow finance secretary Shabana Mahmood and Indian-origin Labour MP Virendra Sharma, addressed both sides of the debate calling Kashmir dispute a "threat" to regional and global peace and to give the people "right to self-determination".

Ward, who represents a largely Kashmiri-origin population in his constituency of Bradford, had secured the debate based on a petition by the 'Jammu & Kashmir Self-Determination Movement' which gained thousands of signatures.

It had raised concerns among some groups regarding the timing coinciding with the September 11 US attacks anniversary as well as the focus of the debate.

"A number of British Indian organisations have contacted us expressing concerns on this Kashmir debate development in the House of Commons at this time because they fear that it could be used as an India/Indian bashing opportunity," said the British Hindu Voice in an appeal to MPs.

The British Parliament's Backbench Business Committee meets weekly to consider requests for debates from any backbench MPs on any subject, including those raised in e-petitions or national campaigns.

These debates are held in a chamber within the House of Commons complex and aimed at lobbying UK government on specific issues.
 

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It is not uk govt but walle back benchers , who has nothing to do in their life try to mingle with pakis woman by doing drama of support on Kashmir
But, you are forgetting who in the past had allotted flats at a single area to Kashmirs and other forces who were against India, so that their voice is heard? That wasn't done by any back bench-er MP
 

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Great move. UK should bring it to Strasbourg and have a EU debate on HR violations, specially about AFSPA.
What about Balouchistan and the atrocities happening in Frontier in the name of Terror??
 

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What about Balouchistan and the atrocities happening in Frontier in the name of Terror??
US Senator Dina Karbacher or whatever his name is already on it without much success. :lol:

Attrocities at the Frontier?? Did you hear any complains from HR? Nato/US is highly in favor of PA's current operation in Waziristan.

You guys never seem to stop. Damn if we do, damn if we don't. Make up your mind!
 

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US Senator Dina Karbacher or whatever his name is already on it without much success. :lol:

Attrocities at the Frontier?? Did you hear any complains from HR? Nato/US is highly in favor of PA's current operation in Waziristan.

You guys never seem to stop. Damn if we do, damn if we don't. Make up your mind!
Yeah USA will fund and Pakistani army will let the pro Pakistani militants to run into Afghanistan (to destabilize that country) will do operation on any one who is against Pakistan, abductions, mass graves etc...etc...

Come next year PA will prepare for another operation that too after the snow melts with US funding.
 
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Muslims(Sunni/shia/sufi) are United in Violence (Islam khatremey hai) and their leaders know it and uses it, ofcourse every politican/party time and again uses it.
Why are Islamic countries not getting united now on Palestine??

Can u gather 100 hindu by saying HINDISM khatremey hai ............ NO :lol:
Hindus are not paranoid, they defeated Islamic expansion with out a sword.

Maurya/Nanda... are not hindu states,their rulers are hindus.Even Moguls(less barbaric) are semi Islamic rulers
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You have no idea ...... what religion existed in India then??
 

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US Senator Dina Karbacher or whatever his name is already on it without much success. :lol:

Attrocities at the Frontier?? Did you hear any complains from HR? Nato/US is highly in favor of PA's current operation in Waziristan.

You guys never seem to stop. Damn if we do, damn if we don't. Make up your mind!
Can anyone guarantee there will not be one in future, if it's not now? There was no differences between East and west Pakistan in 1947-48 but in 1971?
 

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India didn't give us anything, the British did under al law accepted by all political parties at that time. States with muslim majorities would automatically go to Pakistan with the exception of princely states where plebs would decide the fate of the territory.
Again you show your ignorance.

Once again, @Neo remains exposed of ignorant ranting, but that is not his fault, it is the flawed and contrived ideas pandered through Pakistan education system that has been criticisex by Pak scholars themselves as fictional.

The areas under the British was to be divided as per the Radcliffe Award, but not the Princely states.



New India was secular with a Hindu majority. Muslim-majority British provinces in the north were to become the foundation of Pakistan.

The provinces of Baluchistan (91.8% Muslim before partition) and Sindh (72.7%) were granted entirely to Pakistan. However, two provinces did not have an overwhelming majority -- Bengal in the north-east (54.4% Muslim) and the Punjab in the north-west (55.7% Muslim). The western part of the Punjab became part of West Pakistan and the eastern part became the Indian state of East Punjab, which was later divided between a smaller Punjab State and two other states. Bengal was also partitioned, into East Bengal (in Pakistan) and West Bengal (in India).

Before partition, some 40% of the area of India was covered by princely states. These states were in subsidiary alliances with the British, who were responsible for their external affairs, but they were not British possessions and did not form part of British India.[citation needed] Thus, the British could not grant them independence, nor partition them.

On 4 June 1947 Mountbatten held a press conference in which he addressed the question of the princely states, of which there were then a total of 635. The treaty relations between Britain and the Indian States would come to an end, and on 15 August 1947 the suzerainty of the British Crown was to lapse. Consequently the princely states would assume independent status. They would be free to choose to accede to one or the other of the new dominions.
Indian Independence Act 1947
 
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Yeah USA will fund and Pakistani army will let the pro Pakistani militants to run into Afghanistan (to destabilize that country) will do operation on any one who is against Pakistan, abductions, mass graves etc...etc...

Come next year PA will prepare for another operation that too after the snow melts with US funding.
No worries, we will do whatever is in best interests of our country. If you think that USA or India are in Afghanistan to serve Afghan national interests only than you can't be more naive.

And American funds dry up eventually, we are used to it. Prior to US' occupation of Afghanistan the aid was almost nihil and it will.be brought to same level within a few years. No big deal.
 

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US Senator Dina Karbacher or whatever his name is already on it without much success. :lol:

Attrocities at the Frontier?? Did you hear any complains from HR? Nato/US is highly in favor of PA's current operation in Waziristan.

You guys never seem to stop. Damn if we do, damn if we don't. Make up your mind!
Indeed, Nato/US is highly in favor of PA's current operation in Waziristan.

They have to use the last Pakistanis to ensure that they have a smooth withdrawal.

Why should they fight to withdraw and have casualties, when Pakistan will do it for them, having been well paid for their effort?
 

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No worries, we will do whatever is in best interests of our country. If you think that USA or India are in Afghanistan to serve Afghan national interests only than you can't be more naive.

And American funds dry up eventually, we are used to it. Prior to US' occupation of Afghanistan the aid was almost nihil and it will.be brought to same level within a few years. No big deal.
Yes that is Pakistan's main worry.

The cash cow leaves.

And there is no guarantee that the Taliban will allow the Pak Govt and its Army a share of the hashish loot!
 

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Can anyone guarantee there will not be one in future, if it's not now? There was no differences between East and west Pakistan in 1947-48 but in 1971?
East Pakistan was more than a thousand miles away, seperated by a hostile neighbor. Try to glorify the victory as much as you can, the fact remains that you could not harm West Pakistan.

1971 For India.= Bandar ke haath nariyal.
 

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East Pakistan was more than a thousand miles away, seperated by a hostile neighbor. Try to glorify the victory as much as you can, the fact remains that you could not harm West Pakistan.

1971 For India.= Bandar ke haath nariyal.
See, we know Pakistani are masters of conjuring up excellent excuses, I leave it to them to come out with convincing excuses if in future such things were to happen.

About, East Pakistan, I don't mind giving all credits to East-Pakistanis, as long as I see independent Bangladesh in the world map.
 

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