Does Indian Navy Plan to Aquire the AEGIS System from US?

[John]

we cannot trust usa as they may spy out ships(existing) and am not clear how can a system on ship tackles missile coming from singapore or same distance

oh this argument of US can't be trusted is getting really boring bro, we are buying more from the US, so get used to it. It wont go on existing ships, it will go on new ships like the P-17A/B, ADS etc. Depending on the missiles the SM-3 has a max range of over 500km and flight cieling of 250km, the AEGIS radar has over 600km in detection ranges and AEGIS can be networked with the battle group and soon you get massive picture of over 1000km radius due to networking. Barak-8 simply doesn't have the kinda range to compete even with the SM-3/6, even the SM-6 has a range of over 185km. There isn't a system like it in the world and the fact that LM is offering local customization, what more do u want?? To develop something like this ourselves will take a good 10 years, the AEGIS is ideal for our future ships, besides we only need SM-3/6, mid and long range, MR-SAM will take care of targets upto 70km away, SM-6 upto 200km away and SM-3 500km away.

 

[Kumar]

we cannot trust usa as they may spy out ships(existing) and am not clear how can a system on ship tackles missile coming from singapore or same distance

having the same system as the USN will also increase the interoperability between the two navies. Since we both do not have any conflicts between us, i dont think USN would spy our ships since we can be a very good ally for them in the Indian ocean.

 

[Kumar]

It means if this Aegis system is selected, we would have three anti missile systems for securing our land. The AEGIS, Barak and PAD. there was also some thing called as AAD which i am not sure if it is in pursual.

 

[sayareakd]

two things i want to say, first by offering this system US wants to recover their cost in R&D, secound this system which will be offered to us will not be state of the art sytem, plus the question of sanction and end user verification is their.........

On the other hand if we get our own system based on LRTR and PAD/AAD system for which source codes are with us, which can be change at any point of time, this will boost the moral of our forces and persons who are making such systems and that will also give complete security of our system.....

past record of USA has shown the movement we develop some system, which was denied earlier to us, USA jumps in and offer slightly better system to us...... their by effecting the domestic R&D in that area......

 

[natarajan]

I think we can install in 7 frigates planned after shivalik class and also 4 sestroyer after kolkatta class destroyers
Is it possible to put in frigates??

 

[natarajan]

oh this argument of US can't be trusted is getting really boring bro, we are buying more from the US, so get used to it. It wont go on existing ships, it will go on new ships like the P-17A/B, ADS etc. Depending on the missiles the SM-3 has a max range of over 500km and flight cieling of 250km, the AEGIS radar has over 600km in detection ranges and AEGIS can be networked with the battle group and soon you get massive picture of over 1000km radius due to networking. Barak-8 simply doesn't have the kinda range to compete even with the SM-3/6, even the SM-6 has a range of over 185km. There isn't a system like it in the world and the fact that LM is offering local customization, what more do u want?? To develop something like this ourselves will take a good 10 years, the AEGIS is ideal for our future ships, besides we only need SM-3/6, mid and long range, MR-SAM will take care of targets upto 70km away, SM-6 upto 200km away and SM-3 500km away.

why your favourite country prevented israel from selling arrow missiles??

 

[John]

why your favourite country prevented israel from selling arrow missiles??

well Arrow utilizes US technology, now Arrow-3 is nothing compared to the SM interceptors, besides why would US allow a US-Issy missile for India when they can gain more by offering an complete US system. The PAD/AAD already perform better than PAC-3 and other interceptors and hence India has no need for medium range land based interceptors, we just have to mass produce both AAD and PAD. For ICBMs work is underway to build hypersonic interceptors using fire control radars with ranges over 1500km, these will be ready for induction by 2015. We need SMs for naval based air and ballistic defense. And yes there isn't a system in the world that is more proven or advanced as the SM.

 

[icecoolben]

We need strategic autonomy

I would say develop indigenous systems, with israeli participation as consultants, partners and thus have an effective indigenous defence doctrine. Why should v go head over heals for the aegis which is ship based, when our own land and our installations are threatened by chinese icbms and paki cruise missiles. Look at countries that relied on us for their defence britain, japan etc. They were former super powers,industrial and economic. But look at them now they can never assert themselves now. Wake up, cozying up with US is not the answer to our security concerns.

 

[kuku]

I had read some news about the Indian Navy evaluating the AEGIS system for its warships before some time. Is this true, that the Indian Navy will acquire it....

What benefits does it bring to the Indian Navy in particular?

Please provide your thoughts on the same.

Thanks in advance.

Indian Navy is to my understanding not interested in this system.

They already have a better system based on a active array solution (MF-STAR), that can do much more than the Aegis based on the AN/SPY-1 series of passive array radars. All we have got to see is how effective the overall weapons system is.

We do not need sea based missile defence, as the primary threats will launch most of their missiles in a route completly over land.

And if a SSBN launches its ICBMs, Aegis BMD is of no use.

So really the Aegis brings no benifits to the Indian Navy.
EL/M-2248 MF-STAR Naval Multi-Mission Radar

 

[Kumar]

Indian Navy is to my understanding not interested in this system.

They already have a better system based on a active array solution (MF-STAR), that can do much more than the Aegis based on the AN/SPY-1 series of passive array radars. All we have got to see is how effective the overall weapons system is.

We do not need sea based missile defence, as the primary threats will launch most of their missiles in a route completly over land.

And if a SSBN launches its ICBMs, Aegis BMD is of no use.

So really the Aegis brings no benifits to the Indian Navy.
EL/M-2248 MF-STAR Naval Multi-Mission Radar

From Wiki
"
The Aegis Combat System (ACS) is an advanced command and control (Command and Decision, or C&D, in Aegis parlance), and Weapon Control System (WCS) that uses powerful computers and radars to track and guide weapons to destroy enemy targets. It is the world's most advanced naval surface ship combat system and the first completely integrated combat system built to defend against air, surface, and subsurface threats.

The ACS is composed of the Aegis Weapon System (AWS), the fast-reaction component of the Aegis Anti-Aircraft Warfare (AAW) capability, along with the Phalanx Close In Weapon System (CIWS), the MK 41 VLS[2], Anti-Submarine Warfare (ASuW) systems, and Tomahawk Land Attack Cruise Missiles (TLAM). Shipboard torpedo and naval gunnery systems are also integrated. AWS, the heart of Aegis, comprises the AN/SPY-1 Radar, MK 99 Fire Control System, WCS, the Command and Decision Suite, and SM-2 Standard Missile systems. The Aegis Combat System is controlled by an advanced, automatic detect-and-track, multi-function three-dimensional passive electronically scanned array radar, the AN/SPY-1. Known as "the Shield of the Fleet", the SPY high-powered (four megawatt) radar is able to perform search, tracking, and missile guidance functions simultaneously with a track capacity of well over 100 targets at more than 100 nautical miles (190 km).[3] "

Means this system is far more proven and affective as compared to the EL/M-2248 MF-Star

 

[kuku]

From Wiki
"
The Aegis Combat System (ACS) is an advanced command and control (Command and Decision, or C&D, in Aegis parlance), and Weapon Control System (WCS) that uses powerful computers and radars to track and guide weapons to destroy enemy targets.

It is the world's most advanced naval surface ship combat system and the first completely integrated combat system built to defend against air, surface, and subsurface threats.

The ACS is composed of the Aegis Weapon System (AWS), the fast-reaction component of the Aegis Anti-Aircraft Warfare (AAW) capability, along with the Phalanx Close In Weapon System (CIWS), the MK 41 VLS[2], Anti-Submarine Warfare (ASuW) systems, and Tomahawk Land Attack Cruise Missiles (TLAM).

Shipboard torpedo and naval gunnery systems are also integrated. AWS, the heart of Aegis, comprises the AN/SPY-1 Radar, MK 99 Fire Control System, WCS, the Command and Decision Suite, and SM-2 Standard Missile systems.

The Aegis Combat System is controlled by an advanced, automatic detect-and-track, multi-function three-dimensional passive electronically scanned array radar, the AN/SPY-1. Known as "the Shield of the Fleet", the SPY high-powered (four megawatt) radar is able to perform search, tracking, and missile guidance functions simultaneously with a track capacity of well over 100 targets at more than 100 nautical miles (190 km).[3] "

Means this system is far more proven and affective as compared to the EL/M-2248 MF-Star

O my god.

Wiki, it must be true

O wait a minute i can just edit that page to say its the worlds worst system without giving any reasons or it.

:blum3:

ba ha ha ha ha!

Can anyone quote something more technical then damn the wiki.

May be 10 years ago, now its just another combat system which controls all the sensors and weapons.

For its SPY radars, Nations have developed similar and more advanced phased array systems including active arrays that can do the work a lot faster than a passive array.
(Type-45 being one such example).

 

[John]

AEGIS's AN/SPY-2 used for SM-3 interceptors allow the SM-3 to utilize its max range of 500km or 270NM and flight cieling of over 250km, hence the SPY-2 radar's detection and tracking ranges are far far more than the 300NM or over 600km.

On February 21, 2008 at 3:26 am (UTC) the USS Lake Erie, a Ticonderoga-class guided-missile cruiser, fired a single SM-3 missile, hit and successfully destroyed the satellite, with a closing velocity of about 22,783 mph (36,667 km/h) while the satellite was 247 kilometers (133 nautical miles) above the Pacific Ocean. USS Decatur, USS Russell as well as other land, air, sea and space-based sensors were involved in the operation.

When it can intercept something as fast 36K...may be the worst..but the only system that can do this from a Ship...it was not designed to be an anti sat weapon either. It might have the ability to kill a Russian ICBM if fired from the correct angle and timing. btw get ur facts right.. the SPY-2 is an active phased array and not passive by any means.

 

[F-14]

AEGIS Combat System

 

[StealthSniper]

I think we should develop and modernize our own systems for defence and offence for our ships. I know we are not on the same level when it comes to technology with regards to the US but I think if we incorporate the AEGIS system then we close the doors to our own radar and command system development.

Of course India should partner with other countries and maybe partner on joint development on technical systems but we should always look at indigenous development as our utmost priority.

 

[ppgj]

I think we should develop and modernize our own systems for defence and offence for our ships. I know we are not on the same level when it comes to technology with regards to the US but I think if we incorporate the AEGIS system then we close the doors to our own radar and command system development.

Of course India should partner with other countries and maybe partner on joint development on technical systems but we should always look at indigenous development as our utmost priority.

india is going with MFSTAR from israel which will be on INS Kochi. should be as good.

 

[debasree]

What if it is implemented on all the surface ships, we will never have to worry about any other countries shooting missiles on our land.

please do urs homework better before say anything aegis is a very costly system ,if we integrate in all ships it cost us all diffence budgets of 10 years.

 

[asianobserve]

South Korea has recently installed AEGIS on its newest destroyers. Why not in India, granting the US Congress allows it.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

USA will not sell X-band radar to India.