Does India Plan to Buy S1000 Submarines from Russia?

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  1. Kumar

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    Sabir DFI TEAM Senior Member

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    Beside the Scorpenes India is suppose to buy six more advanced subs which will be inducted between 2015 to 2020....But still no news which submarine is selected. may be Amur or type 214 or more advanced (than scorpene...may be marlin class) from DCN...or.....

    But one thing for sure those subs are far ahead of chinese subs in capability..:d_training:
     
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    Sabir DFI TEAM Senior Member

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    No other country operates s1000 I think at present. Even the advanced Akula-II that India is leasing from Russia has no match in Russian navy itself.
     
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    And you know this...how?

    The newest AIP submarine used by the Chinese have sonar and electronic systems from the French and Russians.
     
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    Sabir DFI TEAM Senior Member

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    please post in details....it will be helpful..
     
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    China was known to have imported the Thales TSM 2233 ELEDONE / DSUV-22 and Thales TSM 2255 / DUUX-5 from France during the 1980s and early 1990s. It also has access to a wide range of modern Russian sonar systems (MG-519 MOUSE ROAR, MGK-500 SHARK GILL) through its purchase of the Kilo Class. Comparable systems are expected to be installed for the Type 041.
    The Type 041 is likely to be fitted with a comparable surface/air search radar similar to the MRK-50 SNOOP TRAY, a commercial navigation radar like a Furuno unit observed on a number of SONG class and ESM system is comparable to the Type 921-A.
     
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    Sabir DFI TEAM Senior Member

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    thanx Koji...but any way to compare d capabilities of advanced submarines of world....in details of course...

    BTW to surpass Amur class or type 214 china has to build best submarine of the world.
     
  9. kuku

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    There is a tender for 6 more submarines, Russia will participate in that tender like everyone else.
    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/navy-likely-to-get-new-diesel-submarines/503168/
     
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    yeah both marlin class & Type 214 subs were offered to PN , But they choose type 214,
    so their most probably no Chance for type 214,
    Amur is being preffered by IN, but due to its a Russian product we have doubts to win, as the Russians are messed up with Irregular supply of spares or Money matters, so on..
    but its a Best option Kilo crew can operate it easily with minimum training, and with global meltdown around, we need to consider cheaper and best option,
    Marlin has just little advance and noting new then the Scorpene, so not a good idea ,
    S-1000 is a joint venture between Russia-Italy , and its new model this could also be advanced in the in technological view.
    so at last buying S-1000 is a good idea,
     
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    S-1000

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    A combination of factors is understood to be leading to the Indian Navy positively leaning back towards seriously considering the Russo-Italian S1000 submarine for its (Project-75A) second line of diesel-electric attack submarines to be built under technology transfer within the country. The S1000, a joint design and development initiative between Russia's Central Design Bureau for Marine Engineering "Rubin" and Italy's Fincantieri, is apparently being considered with as much seriousness now as the larger Amur 1650, currently assumed to be the frontrunner for the highly lucrative deal (a good chunk of the Navy favours the Amur). A presentation on the S1000 was made to the Indian Navy in late 2006 and then in early 2008, though the Indian Navy had observed at the time, that the S1000 may be too small for its needs (the fact that anti-surface warfare was a stated secondary profile did not go down well either at the time). The photograph (Figure 4) of the U212's combat centre was used in the presentation made to the Navy on the S1000.

    Note, however, that Rosoboronexport is pushing only the Amur 1650, it's only the Italian Ministry of Defence that is pushing the S1000, even though Rosobornexport is a partner.

    Unlike the DCNS Scorpene line (Project 75), the second line of submarines will look to purchase submarines with air independent propulsion (AIP) systems as standard. And unlike Rubin's proposed AIP system on the Amur, the Indian Navy is understood to be very keen on the S1000's AIP system, particularly because its based on the Siemens SiNavyCIS BZM-120 PEM hydrogen fuel cell (Figure 3).

    The S1000 also features specialised non-magnetic hull fabrication, a feature that the Navy wants in its next line. The HDW U-214 is almost definitely out of the reckoning -- Pakistan is in line to order three from Germany. Also, the Indian Navy is simply not convinced that the Type 214 takes any meaningful advanced technologies from the Type 212/212A of which it is an export derivative.

    Source: LiveFist - The Best of Indian Defence: S1000 SSK back in the reckoning for Indian Navy?

    this is also source to which i have claimed that type-214's are out race.
     
  12. Kumar

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    Just a out of context reference from a movie I had watched some time before.
    In a Movie "Crimson Tide" the akula class submarine shoots down a Nuclear submarine from the USN.
     
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    Akula-2 is realy powerful,
    so the Russia also needed very urgently, so they are only giving one sub instead of two subs as planned early.
    as for us we need it because of Chinese growing their influence in Indian Ocean ,
    Akula's are still scares the Western forces how much means, even if they hear the word Akula is around they just sit in their pants, so what are Chines infront of US, just kids.
     
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    I think for project 75 a. India had already selected the scorpene.
     
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    Sabir DFI TEAM Senior Member

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    that is project 75.

    For project 75 A India is looking for 6 more subs with a sanctioned budget of 30,000 cr...60% more than the scorpenes in project 75.
     
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    Oh i see. My mistake. The scorpenes are also starting to cost that much as per reports on domain-b. Lets hope the select the sub quickly and avoid cost escalation. Our fleet numbers of 16 are at stake.
     
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    its actually 14...2 foxtrots are going to draw pension.........within 2020 the number will be 26...smaller but a leathal force specilly with the new recruits.
     
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    i think it is recently developed and we will be new to use it .So how can we trust its battle power
     
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    Su-30MKI is new tech when it was introduced, not even Russia had them at that time,
    ok 2D TVC is Selected first by IAF in world, then came F-22,
    so many tech's in world , if some should introduce them, these new tech's make magic if they were perfect.
     
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    Is there an arms embargo against China from European Union??So how come China able to access Thales TSM 2233 ELEDONE / DSUV-22 and Thales TSM 2255 / DUUX-5 from France???
     
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    The options available to India for 2nd line of Subs are U-214,Merlin,Amur & S-1000....U-214 is out as it is selected by Pak,Merlin is just a speculation,Amur is good but its Russian & they always delay the delivery of weapon systems ...The best choice is S-1000,an Italian-Russian joint venture which will be a combination of weapon systems & tech & even will be delivered as per the schedule as its a joint project & technicians from Russia,Italy & India will be working on it...
     

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