Does Brahmin Bashing really deserve its due?

[Mad Indian]

The total brahmin population in India is about 4-6% .... yup ... that's how much they are ....

if we implement this idea of representation ... brahmins will all but disappear from the bureaucracy .... more lazy people getting something for doing nothing .... lol This was already tried in Tamilnadu with the anti - brahmin movement ... the brahmins moved to mumbai and then US ..... if you do this you won't see a squeak on the dharna front ... everyone will just move out ... except those who want to be priests and the like.

I said, upper castes, not brahmin. Anyway, thats what you guys are upset about no? That is you guys are unfairly represented in the government. Lets give you guys a fair chance like every one else- You dont have to fight the entire 100% for the meagre 50% open seats. You guys can have your own 20% seats for your 20% upper castes( I am hoping thats the % of people in India who are upper castes):thumb:

Lets end this discrimination against upper castes once and for all

 

[Rowdy]

I said, upper castes, not brahmin. Anyway, thats what you guys are upset about no? That is you guys are unfairly represented in the government. Lets give you guys a fair chance like every one else- You dont have to fight the entire 100% for the meagre 50% open seats. You guys can have your own 20% seats for your 20% upper castes( I am hoping thats the % of people in India who are upper castes):thumb:

Lets end this discrimination against upper castes once and for all

The total upper casts are like 10-14 % not more than that .... as I said ... do it ..... and see the result for yourself ... You can legislate yourself into college , legislate yourself into a job , legislate your self into a promotion .... lolz can't legislate yourself into excellence . Gotta work hard for it like everyone else.

 

[Mad Indian]

The total upper casts are like 10-14 % not more than that .... as I said ... do it ..... and see the result for yourself ... You can legislate yourself into college , legislate yourself into a job , legislate your self into a promotion .... lolz can't legislate yourself into excellence . Gotta work hard for it like everyone else.

LOL. TN with higher reservations has been outdoing the Brahmin dominant WB for several years now. So much for Brahmin greatness that it has to fall flat on evidence

So you are a bigot who knows that UCs are over represented in the government and yet wants to remove the reservation anyway so that his caste can over-represent and hence discriminate more. Good to know.

@Bangalorean I would like to know your stance on this matter- .ie proportional reservation. And also, the post I have quoted is an excellent example of how discriminations in institutions work. OBCs are nowhere represented enough in the institutions to effectively oppress anyone.

 

[Rowdy]

LOL. TN with higher reservations has been outdoing the Brahmin dominant WB for several years now. So much for Brahmin greatness that it has to fall flat on evidence

So you are a bigot who knows that UCs are over represented in the government and yet wants to remove the reservation anyway so that his caste can over-represent and hence discriminate more. Good to know.

@Bangalorean I would like to know you stance on this matter- .ie proportional reservation

I want complete removal of reservations and an absolute meritocracy .... if you have the ability you get the job. No need to check caste

But its cool. I know people that want the rewards without putting in the work..... as I said... WB reservation is 45 % ... TN is 69%. ohh and WB lags due to communist $-it .. not brahmins.

Just like congress cries Communal when BJP introduces the UCC/ Art 370 you cry bigot when asked for meritocracy. ..... The current DARPA head is a lady called Dr. Arati Prabhakar....
Born in delhi ... would have been nice to see her heading DRDO .... but meh ... its OK ..

Note that to get 55 percentile you have to have zero marks ( no -ve marks ) so an ST could make it to IIM A just by leaving his cat blank .

 

[Peter]

LOL. TN with higher reservations has been outdoing the Brahmin dominant WB for several years now. So much for Brahmin greatness that it has to fall flat on evidence

So you are a bigot who knows that UCs are over represented in the government and yet wants to remove the reservation anyway so that his caste can over-represent and hence discriminate more. Good to know.

@Bangalorean I would like to know your stance on this matter- .ie proportional reservation. And also, the post I have quoted is an excellent example of how discriminations in institutions work. OBCs are nowhere represented enough in the institutions to effectively oppress anyone.

First of all I would like to repeat that I have nothing against reservations.

Now about your allegations of Brahmin dominant WB being undeveloped. First of all WB is not Brahmin dominant. In fact Bengal is the only state where there is no caste discrimination. Caste discrimination mainly exists in North and South India. Also SC/OBC form a large population here.

Now about statistics. The India govt, since 1947, has been trying to undermine WB`s contributions to the Indian Union. If the statistics were indeed true why is that Bengalis are major players in everything. Which state boasts of the most number of Nobel Prizes along with TN?

A large number of Bengalis are in UK/USA etc They are all employed in NASA,IBM etc When Indians will become majority in USA in about 70-100 years then Bengalis would constitute a large portion of that populace. So your assumption that WB is doing poorly is incorrect.

As for IAS officers etc everyone knows that Bengalis get the highest in the written exams but in the in the interviews which are taken by Tamils and North Indians they get poor marks.

 

[Mad Indian]

I want complete removal of reservations and an absolute meritocracy .... if you have the ability you get the job. No need to check caste

You would because you had a 2000yrs head start. Lets have reservation for 2000yrs and then we can have a completely meritocratic government. Cool?

But its cool. I know people that want the rewards without putting in the work..... as I said... WB reservation is 45 % ... TN is 69%. ohh and WB lags due to communist $-it .. not brahmins.

Exactly, so reservation alone does not cause any lowering of standards. If that stupid statement is true, then Tamil Nadu(which has the highest reservation in India) wont be the third most developed state in India. But thats not for bigots to accept.How would they?

Just like congress cries Communal when BJP introduces the UCC/ Art 370 you cry bigot when asked for meritocracy. ..... The current DARPA head is a lady called Dr. Arati Prabhakar....
Born in delhi ... would have been nice to see her heading DRDO .... but meh ... its OK ..

No I cry bigotry whenever UCs cry horse shit about reservation, when they already are over represented in government and know it too!

Note that to get 55 percentile you have to have zero marks ( no -ve marks ) so an ST could make it to IIM A just by leaving his cat blank .

How dare that SCs/STs cant overcome the 2000yr old discrimination within just 66yrs(50 yrs of which is under socialist crap hole) right? It just means that reservations for 66yrs have not been enough. We need to continue it till SCs/STs/OBCs can compete with the Upper castes on merit.

Again, reservation is about proper representation of all communities in the government, so that no one group dominates the other, in other words to prevent discrimination.

 

[Mad Indian]

First of all I would like to repeat that I have nothing against reservations.

What difference does it make? You dont understand the true purpose of reservation anyway. You think reservation is about poverty?

So why dont you tell me why reservation is important?

Now about your allegations of Brahmin dominant WB being undeveloped. First of all WB is not Brahmin dominant. In fact Bengal is the only state where there is no caste discrimination. Caste discrimination mainly exists in North and South India. Also SC/OBC form a large population here.

You wont understand the context in which I wrote that. SO never mind.

Now about statistics. The India govt, since 1947, has been trying to undermine WB`s contributions to the Indian Union. If the statistics were indeed true why is that Bengalis are major players in everything. Which state boasts of the most number of Nobel Prizes along with TN?

A large number of Bengalis are in UK/USA etc They are all employed in NASA,IBM etc When Indians will become majority in USA in about 70-100 years then Bengalis would constitute a large portion of that populace. So your assumption that WB is doing poorly is incorrect.

As for IAS officers etc everyone knows that Bengalis get the highest in the written exams but in the in the interviews which are taken by Tamils and North Indians they get poor marks.

 

[Ray]

Another one of your classic dishonesty I presume?

See, unlike you, I am neither an anti Brahmin bigot, nor am I a castist.

To non-bigot Upper castes, yeah, I agree that whatever happened in the past should remain in the past. Time to move forward under an united Hindu umbrella outside the caste dogmas. We Hindus have been blaming and fighting each other for far too long and have enabled anti national forces to win everytime. Time for that to end, even the anti upper caste biases.

TO upper caste bigots like @Ray- cry me a river.

I am no Brahmin, nor a Hindu, if that makes you happy.

But sure, I have no time for whiners who want to make hay with sops, perks and pelf that is not there for others.

 

[Rowdy]

You would because you had a 2000yrs head start. Lets have reservation for 2000yrs and then we can have a completely meritocratic government. Cool?

What 2000 yr head start ??? lol I am in my late 20s ... When I was born I could'nt read or speak just like the rest of us.... ... When I was a kid , my parents and their 2 kids used to live in a one room garage.

As I said this is just mental masturbation .... there is nothing stopping you from picking up a book and preparing for JEE/CAT/ MAT / <generic alphabetic soup> lol ... you just don't want to admit you get things by crying victim just like the muzzies and pakis .... Any so called lower cast and oppressed for 2000 yrs person has absolutely no reason to whine ... he/she can just read what I am typing ... make a decision and just start working .... There is absolutely no one stopping them .... Its a free country ...... and you even have the "reservations" to help you ....

Rest of your post is just ramble.

 

[Singh]

Anyone who supports and defends reservation, gloats about stealing a seat from a deserving general student, abuses upper castes and then calls himself not a casteist nor a bigot is a goddamn hypocrite. @Mad Indian you are a real piece.

 

[Peter]

What difference does it make? You dont understand the true purpose of reservation anyway. You think reservation is about poverty?

So why dont you tell me why reservation is important?


You wont understand the context in which I wrote that. SO never mind.

It is because there is still some amount of discrimination in the rural areas of India. However our aim should be to remove casteism rather than promoting reservations. Develop a Pan Indian identity,not a religious,casteist one.

 

[LalTopi]

It is because there is still some amount of discrimination in the rural areas of India. However our aim should be to remove casteism rather than promoting reservations. Develop a Pan Indian identity,not a religious,casteist one.

I agree with your statement, but would add the word 'appalling' after 'some',
and replace 'the rural' with 'some rural'.

 

[LalTopi]

I have been hearing nonsense on reservations here for a long time now. SO lets end this supposedly "unfair" disadvantage imposed on the upper castes. Lets have a proportionate representation in bureaucracies in all levels of bureaucracy from top down- so that upper castes also get reservations. They dont need to compete with 80% of the population for the 50% open seats. They can get their own 20%(if thats their numbers)

So how many of the upper castes here agree to that? Lets see how many closet caste bigots DFI has.


@LalTopi

You think there is no caste discrimination by Brahmins?

In the current age, I would not point the finger at Brahmins. As to to the past, we should all aim to move on.
I think there is still a case for positive discrimination for some groups who have been left behind completely, but also that such positive discrimination may be removed in areas where the SC/ST have progressed. I do not subscribe to the view that positive discrimination is inefficient; if it makes whole groups better educated and moves them up the value chain, then society benefits economically as a whole. Socially as well, Hinduism benefits, as it moves beyond the old feudal order to one of merit, which I think the ancient Rsis had originally intended.

 

[Mad Indian]

Anyone who supports and defends reservation,

I defend it because it is necessary, not because of my caste. In fact, I dont even qualify for it because I belong to the creamy layer

gloats about stealing a seat from a deserving general student

I did it because you called me a quota student. You are a real piece of shit you know that? First you make castist remarks on me not once, but several times(calling me a quota student and what not) and when I said that I dint use reservation, you accused me of stealing a general seat. Yeah sure, the open competition is for 50% seats and you want to give it only to upper castes who dont even form 20% of general population. And you claim you are not a castist bigot. What a dipshit you are

I decided not to have anything to do with castists like you and so I decided to stop quoting you. But you cant resist showing off your castism can you?

, abuses upper castes and then calls himself not a casteist nor a bigot is a goddamn hypocrite.

Show me a single post of mine abusing upper caste if you can. I dare you. Now go ahead and find it before accusing me of bull shit. Thats why I think you are the same as @Ray, castist and dishonest

I abuse only the upper caste bigots, who despite having complete control over government does not seem to be satisfied with it and want more.

@Mad Indian you are a real piece.

Oh shut it castist dirtbag

 

[Mad Indian]

In the current age, I would not point the finger at Brahmins. As to to the past, we should all aim to move on.

I agree. But has discrimination against lower castes stopped?

If reservation is removed , 60% of the bureaucracy will be occupied by Upper castes, when 80% of the country is lower castes. Will that be good for the country(merit and BS aside or even included for that matter)?

I think there is still a case for positive discrimination for some groups who have been left behind completely, but also that such positive discrimination may be removed in areas where the SC/ST have progressed. I do not subscribe to the view that positive discrimination is inefficient; if it makes whole groups better educated and moves them up the value chain, then society benefits economically as a whole. Socially as well, Hinduism benefits, as it moves beyond the old feudal order to one of merit, which I think the ancient Rsis had originally intended.

I think the only way to remove reservation is by making the castes irrelevant by promoting intercaste marriages and by promoting reservations for those(intercaste marriages involving BC-FC, FC-SC, SC-BC and not FC-FC, BC-BC, SC-SC)

But most of the dogs I see on the internet think that they are smart and that they can get away with propaganda and bull shit. They claim to be victims of Reservation. So only I asked them if they would be willing for proportionate reservation system- that way they cant claim that bull shit.

Its a trick question of course, UC bigots will say no because they already know they control the government(have more than their fair share of representation in the government) and so they know that they will lose out in a proportionate representation system

UC who are victims of propaganda and dont know that they actually have a higher representation in the govt will gladly accept it.


And the UCs who are neither victims of propaganda nor castists bigots would not have problems with reservation anyway because they will know that it is only fair that lower castes are given their chance to come up in society

Again, ask yourself, how many have want to have proportionate representation here? What does it tell you?

 

[Mad Indian]

I agree with your statement, but would add the word 'appalling' after 'some',
and replace 'the rural' with 'some rural'.

Really, only rural india has discrimination?

So UCs are partially successful in their propaganda.

As recently as last year, my uncle was denied promotion in the Ports development authority of India for two years(hardly a rural issue) because he belonged to OBC from being the AGM to GM(he was infact the acting GM for two years without the actual GM). Guess why? The board of directors is constituted by upper castes alone. It there had been a single SC/OBC in that , he would not have faced discrimination.

Why do you think someone like me who was so viciously anti reservation when joining here(2012) became so viciously pro reservation now?? Suddenly I became a caste bigot huh?

 

[nrj]

Brahmin bashing today has real socio-political purpose behind it.

Therefore bashing is deserved & worth it from the POV of those behind this habitual bashing.

 

[Mad Indian]

It is because there is still some amount of discrimination in the rural areas of India.

Wrong. There is discrimination everywhere. See what happened to Dalits in SP when the government is run only by one community(Yadavs in this case). For a socialist country to work, every community should be represented in the govt based on its correct composition.

However our aim should be to remove casteism rather than promoting reservations. Develop a Pan Indian identity,not a religious,casteist one.

Lol. Even the "Admins" of this forum full of educated upper middle class people are not above abusing people based on their castes and you want to forge a national identity without castes. Good luck

 

[Mad Indian]

What 2000 yr head start ??? lol I am in my late 20s ... When I was born I could'nt read or speak just like the rest of us.... ... When I was a kid , my parents and their 2 kids used to live in a one room garage.

As I said this is just mental masturbation .... there is nothing stopping you from picking up a book and preparing for JEE/CAT/ MAT / <generic alphabetic soup> lol ... you just don't want to admit you get things by crying victim just like the muzzies and pakis .... Any so called lower cast and oppressed for 2000 yrs person has absolutely no reason to whine ... he/she can just read what I am typing ... make a decision and just start working .... There is absolutely no one stopping them .... Its a free country ...... and you even have the "reservations" to help you ....

Rest of your post is just ramble.

You can cry a river for all I care since you have proven yourself to be a bigot the moment you answered the question. Your opinions matter zilch in real life

Lower castes form 80-85% of India. No political party is going to do suicide by pushing an anti-reservation agenda

Fun fact for all the UC castist dirtbags- BJP in TN has promised to include all the castes other than Brahmins in the OBC list

 

[Mad Indian]

@LalTopi

I wrote this long back on why Reservations are must in India and the reason for it(and its not for economic development as most upper caste bigots here want to portray)

http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/politics-society/46896-most-corrupt-come-obcs-scs-sts-ashis-nandy-2.html

India is a socialist shit place. Govt interferes in everything. This is also the reason why reservation exists as well as corruption. Reservation is needed so long as the nation is socialist. If the collector is not from my caste, it is much less likely that I will get approval for the business I am to start. Hence I am forced to give bribery-direct cause being the need to get approval from govt. This is the reason for corruption.


Now why reservation is important is also for the same reason. The forward castes dominate the bureaucracy too much. A SC is unlikely to get approval than a forward caste/same caste member from a upper caste bureaucrat. Hence reservation is needed what bureaucracy is not misused by some people lone for their community.


But obviously, this leads to the same thing done by forward castes by the SC too. But that is the best it can be-since both communities having power is Much better than just one community having all the power.


And any one denying existence of caste favors in bureaucracy is a downright liar.


My conclusion hence is that reservation is evil- yet a necessary evil. To remove reservation- remove the need for reservation- by limiting the bureaucracy. If the country becomes a true free market state, with absolute minimal govt- there won't be need for reservation anymore.

Lower castes, atleast the ones who have real world interaction with upper castes know the reason for reservations and how much egalitarian these "anti reservation" brigades really are. So Upper castes can cry and moan all they want but it wont change zilch because caste discrimination is a real and present problem. Reservation will stay till caste discrimination stays