Dissenters in China Beware!

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    It appears there is a whole lot of corruption in the CCP.

    Even Bo is said to have amassed a huge wealth.,

    However, it is also true that the CCP is trying to keep pace with the corruption to rid it as much as feasible.
     
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    From the above report.

    The feeling is that though investigation has been done and there has been a whole lot done to attempt rid China of corruption, nothing worthwhile will come about.

    I wonder if the Chinese posters could tell us more about it and whether corruption will be eradicated finally.
     
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    Old news, but topical.

     
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    Bo Xilai’s son defends lifestyle, says he’s concerned about scandal

    In his first public statement since the arrest of his mother on suspicion of murder and the ouster of his father from the leadership of the Chinese Communist Party, Harvard University student Bo Guagua said he is “deeply concerned about the events surrounding my family” and defended his own academic performance and lifestyle against allegations of debauchery and sloth.

    The 24-year-old son of former Chongqing party boss and ex-Politburo member Bo Xilai mounted a spirited defense of his record in the statement sent to the Harvard Crimson, the student-run newspaper. Crimson reporter Justin Worland said he had communicated with the Chinese student via a Harvard e-mail address listed in the university directory as belonging to Bo Guagua.

    Crimson President Ben Samuels said that reporters had spoken directly with Bo Guagua and confirmed the authenticity of his statement.

    While expressing concern about his parents, both of whom are being held incommunicado in China, Bo said he has “no comments to make regarding the ongoing investigation” but would address some rumors about himself.

    He denied ever having driven a Ferrari sports car, or using his family name to make money.

    But he did not shed any light on his whereabouts or status. He stopped attending classes at Harvard’s Kennedy School of Government after his father was ousted as Chong-qing party boss last month. He then vanished from his apartment near Harvard Square in downtown Cambridge, Mass., stirring speculation that he had been taken into protective custody to avoid possible kidnapping by Chinese security agents. The State Department has denied that the disgraced Chinese official’s son had been taken away by American law-enforcement officers and has sought political asylum in the United States.

    Chinese authorities announced April 10 that Bo’s father had been removed from the Central Committee and Politburo and that his mother, Gu Kailai, a lawyer, had been arrested in connection with the alleged murder of British business consultant Neil Heywood, who was found dead in a Chong-qing hotel room in November. They originally said Heywood died from alcohol poisoning. His body was cremated soon after his death.

    Bo Guagua has not been accused of any criminal activity, but a statement issued by the official Chinese news agency Xinhua linked him to Heywood, the dead Briton. Xinhua said a “re-investigation” of Heywood’s death had found that Gu Kailai, the mother, and Bo Guagua “were on good terms with Heywood. However, they had a conflict of economic interests, which had intensified.”

    Like his often-flamboyant father, who was last seen in public during a March press conference during the annual session of China’s rubber-stamp parliament, Bo Guagua struck a defiant tone, dismissing talk of sports cars and denying that he “participated in any for-profit business or venture, in China or abroad.”

    Addressing speculation that his education abroad has been funded at least in part by Chinese businessmen who wanted to curry favor with his previously highflying father, Bo said that funding came “exclusively by two sources — scholarships earned independently, and my mother’s generosity from the savings she earned from her years as a successful lawyer and writer.”

    He has been educated almost entirely outside China, first at Harrow School, an exclusive private academy in England, and later at Oxford Universty and then Harvard. Following reports in the British media that he did poorly at Oxford, Bo said he won a respectable “2:1 degree (second class, first honors)” overall and also “devoted time and energy to extra-curricular activities.”

    His reputation has taken a battering in recent weeks following the appearance on the Internet of photographs that show him partying, often with Western women and possibly in an inebriated state. The pictures raised eyebrows in China, where the privilege of so-called “princelings” is a highly sensitive subject at a time when the gap between rich and poor is widening.

    While avoiding many of the big questions about himself and his family, Bo Guagua said he understands that “at the present, the public interest in my life has not diminished. However, I wholeheartedly request that members of the press kindly refrain from intruding into the lives of my teachers, friends and classmates.”
    Bo Xilai’s son defends lifestyle, says he’s concerned about scandal - The Washington Post
     
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    In China corruption is rampant and the CCP does give some exemplary punishment that appear very summarily delivered compared to the long and tedious legal process in democracies, to include India.

    Since the punishment given in China is quick and without all the fanfare of the tedious process elsewhere, it does make one wonder if the process is fair and just in China.

    It is in the popular perception that the legal process was kept very sketchy by the CCP so that the power of the CCP would not be diluted by a strong legal system.

    However, there has been some remarkable changes in the legal system of late and it has become more robust, though there is no procedure where by the Judges are to adhere to any precedents. I believe that in case of conflicts, the final authority is the Legislative body.

    Therefore, one sees cases of Administrative highhandedness since they are beyond the law so to say.

    Or have I missed something?
     
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    corruption is rampant in china. the central government want to get rid of corruption at local level by excute/jailed few local official to set an example, but still the corruption continue.

    there are tons land grabing in china, which is the major cause of riot/protest. there are example where the home resident sleep in their home during the night had been forced/drag away from their home, and when they come back their home was demolished.

    ccp need major political reform soon in order to continue to keep its power.
     
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    Compared to other countries, Chinese justice is very scary and fast.

    Many are given the Death Sentence and even executed?

    Are the people who are corrupt not afraid that if they are caught, they can be given the Death Sentence?

    Is there any system of Appeal against a Judgement?
     
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    Ray, I believe you have had your answers before asking these questions. No need to bait, just say your answers.
     
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    Perhaps your suspicion of anything that I write only succeeds in enhancing the flavour of your paranoia!

    Fortunately for this forum, s002wjh does not duck questions and has done much to explain China to many of the forum people than you, who excel in pulling wool over the eyes!

    One cannot help but feel that you are merely a fly in the ointment as the English idiom goes.
     
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    there are appeals, all death penalty are review by the supreme court. but for certain amount of corruption $$$, its excution.

    the corrupt official are scary, but the chance of getting cut is remote, since almost all local government are corrupted. and there is an old saying, "The mountains are high and the Emperor is far away" basically means, the central government are too far away, can't heard anything etc etc.

    what china need is independent monitor system, media, and judicial system to keep corrupt offical in check.
     
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    I keep seeing Wukan coming up all the time.

    I wonder what is the actuals.

    Could you tell what happened out there from the Chinese point of view. I mean, the peoples version and also the Govt version. And I would appreciate if you give your views on both the version so that one can get an independent view.

    And why is Wukan such a cause célébré?

    Could you also amplify on what will happen to Bo and his wife and what are his political prospects. If it is finished, is there no way he can return to his old glory?
     
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    They don't have something like a Compotroller and Auditor General?Even lowly India has one
     
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    How is India lowly?

    I have not quite understood the context.
     
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    :wink:Brigadier
     
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    It is not just suspicions, it is just I have been here long enough to know about you, the way you think about China and the way you judge China.

    s002wjh is answering because he thinks it is worth it and he wants to present you a real China, I applaud him for doing that. But I know what he said won't have much impacts over your opinions about China. And he should feel lucky if he doesn't get a 50 cents title like he does in other thread where his solidarity with China irks many Indians.

    @s002wjh, no offence, I believe you willl understand what I mean after spending more time here.
     
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    When PROPAGANDA is the agenda, I see red.

    But when someone replies with sanity and logic, I enjoy learning!

    You and your ilk are a disgrace to the real China!

    You and your ilk harm the relationship one wants to have.

    That relationship will never be Perfect, but then it can be cordial.

    People like s002wjh help to show the reality.


    People like you are merely paid agents of fraudulent dream spinning to befool!

    You are only interested in oneupmanship and not educating the people.

    Like it or not, you are the type we can do without!

    We want to know China and not be stuffed with Propaganda!

    You may have spent more time on this Forum, but that in no way is a credit to you.

    Pack animals also work hard and live long!

    However, a thoroughbred is even so worth its weight in gold than a pack animal!
     
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    yea i spend enough time here to know there are some member here calling me ccp 50cent etc. but i'm trying to point a neutral view on china, and try not to put bias into my arguement. i think there are alot misunderstanding on china, some are true "corruption etc" some are exaggerated. and i have been to china several time to generally know the conditions in china.
     
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    wukan is a good example of guandong policy where the governer actually back down and allow citizen in wukan to elect their own offical. but only time will tell how that work out.

    well i don't live in china so i don't know too much about situation in wukan. all i know is recent behavior of CCP tend to grand the wish of protestor, as long the protest is not about tibet, dala lama, democracy, freedom of speech etc. protest such as land grabing, raising cost, housing cost usually allowed, and usually the offical try to negioate with protester for a solution, not always. also almost all protest in china are about inflation, housing, land grabing etc, less on political protest.

    bo probably will be house arrest and never appear in public again. back in 89 tiannmen massacre, zhao zi yang who support the student were quickly put to house arrest and never seen in public again. i suspect something like that for BO

    land grabbing, gap between rich and poor, raising cost, housing cost is probably the biggest issue the party facing right now. more so than SCS, taiwan etc.
     
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    Thank you.

    No country in the world is perfect.

    Every country has its unique problem that is not common to all other countries.

    We appreciate your effort to make us understand real China.

    It does not mean that the good that China is doing should not be known. Of course it must be known.

    However, along with that the real China and the truth is also what we want to know.

    Thank You!

    You are no 50 center, and let anyone say so, I will contest that!
     
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    Learn something from people like s002wjh, Ohimalaya, KickOK.

    They present China in a way that China is liked.

    Your 100 centing makes one sick!
     

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