Did the America influence BJP?

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  1. Ray

    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    The veracity of the Wikileaks is open to question.

    However, the alacrity with which Assange was hounded, ferreted out and jailed, gives credence to the belief that maybe there is some facts that are actual. More so because the US did not display equal alacrity in the equally embarrassing disclosures of Abu Garib and other embarrassing acts that were contrary to the touted 'spreading the American way of life' and 'Freedom & Democracy'.



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    The details of the nuclear were not to the satisfaction of not only the BJP, but also of many other political parties, organisations, nuclear groups and so on. In fact, there was great apprehensions that it was a sellout.

    However, after much debate, the resolution was passed and the raging debate that seized the Nation, subsided too abruptly.

    Circumstantial facts does indicate that dissensions were taken care of and quelled.

    Who influenced and how, is a million dollar question.

    What is disturbing is the apparently clout the US has to decide policies of India; that is, if the Wikleaks are true!
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    All this is disturbing.

    Apparently,not only have they been able to influence the leadership to include Rahul Gandhi, who plays a major role in influencing govt decisions, but also the administration!
     
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    rcscwc Tihar Jail Banned

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    So, OK, BJP was opposed to the deal as it thought it was not good for India.

    Was it good or bad for India? If it was good, was it not incumbent on the govt to explaijn it to the BJP, and thus bring about a changer in its stance? If the govt outsourced it to USA, then was BAD, bad act to do.

    American ambassdor does meet BJP leaders. But then he meets leaders of many other parties too. So do the other ambassadors. Ambassodors are supposed to lobby for their countries. Our ambassadors too do it.

    Nowhere has it been revealed, even indirectly, that BJP was FORCED and arm twisted by the American ambassador. That would be ebough to dump the BJP{ on the nearest trash heap.


    There are insinuations that Sonia was paid by the KGB.
     
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    BJP is known to be close to the US and that is known to all. It was under BJP that India started its honeymoon with the US and the initial talks about nuke deals started under them.
    The sudden change of stance on nuke deal was just to score political points by the BJP and they came around when it mattered.

    I think we still dont have any "leaks" about sonia being on KGB parole. KGB does not exist now anyway.
     
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    What will be the international repercussion should one day MODI become the PM of India?
     
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    Why would there be repercussions from the international community to a democratically elected PM of India?
     
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    That is right that all Parties are met by Ambassadors not only of the US but other countries too.

    It is correct that the major bone of contention in the initial draft was that the liability aspect had the onus on the Indian Govt.

    After much pressure in the Parliament and outside, to include independent experts, the bill was tempered to suit the points of view.

    Since the Wikileak does not reveal more (at least from what is in the public domain), one cannot state if BJP or any other parties or organisations were influenced by the US Ambassador or his staff.

    The only thing that is crystal clear is that the US Ambassador could not influence the Communists!
     
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    Yusuf, remember that Red Cross, Amnesty will come crying that there is no religious freedom in india. Simple Logic. Americans need a comfort lobby for them be it congress or BJP. India is heading to a neo-imperialistic era under Unkil.
     
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    Every one likes to deal with a no non sense, result oriented, decisive and tough leader.
     
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    There are so many reports of human rights abuses by US. Either Amnesty is blind or deaf to them or USA is blind anf deaf to Amnesty. What is it?

    There are so many countries, including in Europe, where religious freedoms are restricted.
     
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    Amnesty International is not the international community. India is too big and important for the international community to ignore, Modi or otherwise.
     
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    Left had and has serious reservations about the nuclear deal, based on their ideology or whatever passes for it.

    Mulayam too was against it saying it is anti muslim. Maya too said something like that. Were they pursuade? If yes, by whom and how?
     
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    I believe it was Mayawati not Mulayalam who said the nuke deal was anti-muslim. It was nothing but petty politics ofcourse.

    Mulayalam actually supported the deal.


    Once the Left and Mayawaiti starting touting Indo-US nuke deal as anti-Muslim, major muslim organisations including the Deoband came out and said clearly that this has nothing to do with muslim issues and that infact if its in the national interest it should be supported. Muslim MPs like Omar Abdulla and Owaisi had to take clear stand to not link n-deal with so called "anti-muslim" rhetoric and said that they were for the n-deal
    Deoband leaders say n-deal not anti-Islam


    The problem with the BJP is that just for political point scoring it went down to the level of aligning with religious politics of Mayawati and Left in opposing the nuke deal when they themslves had supported it when they were in government.

    I don't see how the BJP "thought" the nuke deal was bad for India when they themselves had worked to materialise it when they were in govt. It was politcal oppurtunism plain and simple
     
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    Given the Wikileaks and the believed clout of the US, all those who supported the N Deal, will be said to have been influenced by the US!!

    :)
     
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    Is it not a shame that GOI had to look toward Deoband for an NOC?Why should this anti-India rhetoric have been aired at all?

    I still fail to understand why the deal was called anti muslim, if not as a vote bank politics?


    How did BJP align with Mayawati? Just by opposing it for its own reasons or it being anti Hindu? BS.


    Btw, every political party tries to score political points. Is Congi doodh ki dhoi in this regard?

    BJP or anyone can think it was not serving our national interest. Maybe govt pursuaded it, or maybe GOI got USA to pursuade BJP. What did BJP gain by supporting the deal? NOTHING.

    Then throw in the Congi too.
     
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    From the looks of things and the way things are happening, it pretty much seems the political leadership and especially the upa and congress top leadership has been rigged by americans with a PM, upa chair person and her son coming across as three of the most pro-US people in india who ofcourse matter the most in indian decision making and there now seems to be a trickle down effect. signs of times to come!

    (on the mmrca – if they have penetrated the IAF, rest assured the deal is headed the US way and quite possible f18s are coming india’s way and if it is to be a purely political decision then the decision has already been made.)

    As far as bjp is concerned, it was under nda that india took the most pro US turn ever in the history of india and the little fallout that happened was only because of narendar modi otherwise the love affair to this day seems intact though I don’t understand why in public bjp and the rightists come across hawkish on the US.

    Did america influence the bjp on the nuke deal or was the need felt to do so during the dieing moments, I doubt it really because prior to the vote of confidence it had got pretty clear that upa would sail through, upa had the numbers with them and the opposition was not really united.

    Was bjp against the nuke deal, no ways! All that bjp then wanted was to make sure the govt of the day fell and the elections be called and through the nuke deal bjp saw the fall of the government since they were pretty sure the left and the so-called 3rd front wont come to the rescue of upa and all this because advani’s astrologer had warned him that he would only become the PM of the country had the elections happened in november, and why not, imagine the elections had happened in november/december, exactly after 26/11, there would have not been the slightest of the doubts in congress/upa being routed, rest is history as they say.

    What would be of interest to know would be what role did the US play in the just concluded nuclear liability bill, at first the bjp/left were in no mood to support the bill and once this bill was made into a law ofcourse with the support of bjp/left,india with each trading partner nation has committed that we will add a special clause which will help the whole thing getting worked out as those nations wish it to be like and as all this is happening neither the left nor the bjp are uttering a single word in opposition.
     
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    If mulford had managed to soften BJp stand against BJP,why did BJP vote against the trust vote brought against the govt over the Nuclear deal.To begin i dont think the BJP was opposed to the deal,after all it was the logical culmination of a process that was made possible by BJP led NDA govt's decision to carryout a series of nuclear tests in 1998.There is no doubt the deal had several pro's an con's for us,and until the BJP led opposition raised hue and cry in the parliament the cons were loaded against us.BJP and significant section of of India's thinking population was opposed to the Hyde act and its impact of the Indo-US nuclear agreement and the implication the act would have on indian strategic nuclear programme.BJP's vehement opposition indirectly probably was one reason why several unacceptable amercements to the original agreement were eventually watered down,before being presented and passed in the US congress.........

    In end after all this BJP itself was dived over whether to shoot down the agreement or giving a grudging acceptance,considering that US wasn't going to back down any further.Eventually the BJP votes against the govt not the nuclear deal persay,it was UPA's outside partners who the brought trust vote against the UPA regime.It was foolhardy if the BJP was expected to vote in favor of a govt it opposed.
     

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