Did Pak launch offensive against Taliban under international pressure?

Did Pak launch offensive against Taliban under international pressure?

  • yes

    Votes: 24 70.6%
  • no

    Votes: 2 5.9%
  • domestic pressure

    Votes: 2 5.9%
  • dosent matter as long as they act.

    Votes: 6 17.6%

  • Total voters
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Calanen

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Of course they did. This is the great Islamic double game. Do some offensives against the militants to secure more international aid, and then not try very hard after that. The Pakistani army has been known to launch fake operations against empty buildings for the benefit of US satellites, while the militants were far away in safety and could go back to what they were doing the next day. There was a great article about all of this, I will see if I can dig it up.
 

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if money stop coming....... then what ?
The fight stops. duh.

Every time the US pulled the plug on the dough, Pak brokered ceasefire with the Taliban. There are many in Pakistan who still consider Taliban as a potential ally, despite the general populace moving away from the Taliban influence.

As long as Pak considers Taliban as 'strategic depth' against India, War on Terror will drag on.
That means, eliminating terrorists completely is not in Paks interest becoz if they completely eliminate them, why would anyone give 'aid'? So, they will keep 'fighting' war on terror, and money will keep flowing in...........
 

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That means, eliminating terrorists completely is not in Paks interest becoz if they completely eliminate them, why would anyone give 'aid'? So, they will keep 'fighting' war on terror, and money will keep flowing in...........
At the cost of the lives of their soldiers ? I don't think so...
 

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At the cost of the lives of their soldiers ? I don't think so...
Yes why ever would they do that...it just doesn't make sense!

Pentagon: Pakistan terror aid diverted


Published: June 6, 2009 at 7:54 AM
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WASHINGTON, June 6 (UPI) -- Pakistan diverted U.S. aid meant for fighting Taliban terrorists to bolster its conventional warfare capabilities against India, documents indicate.

U.S. Defense Department documents accessed by the Press Trust of India reveal Islamabad secretly diverted a substantial portion of nearly $7 billion in foreign military financing and arms sales from the administration of former U.S. President George W. Bush to beef up its armed forces along the Indian border instead of fighting terrorists.

PTI quoted the Pentagon documents as saying that a major portion of post-Sept. 11, 2001, U.S. military aid meant to counter advances made by the Taliban and al-Qaida in Pakistan's northwest was instead used to buy and refurbish eight P-3C Orion maritime patrol aircraft, worth $474 million.

Islamabad also placed orders for 5,250 TOW anti-armor missiles worth $186 million with the aid, the news agency said, adding that 2,007 of missiles have already been delivered and the rest are on the way.
Pentagon: Pakistan terror aid diverted - UPI.com

Have a read of this article, from the NY Times, the double game of deception engaged in by Pakistan. Too long to post here:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/07/magazine/07pakistan-t.html?_r=2&pagewanted=all&oref=slogin

Extract from article:

The mystery, at least part of it, was solved in July by four residents of Suran Dara, a Pakistani village a few hundred yards from the site of the fight. According to two of these villagers, whom I interviewed together with a local reporter, the Americans started calling in airstrikes on the Pakistanis after the latter started shooting at the Americans.

“When the Americans started bombing the Taliban, the Frontier Corps started shooting at the Americans,” we were told by one of Suran Dara’s villagers, who, like the others, spoke on condition of anonymity for fear of being persecuted or killed by the Pakistani government or the Taliban. “They were trying to help the Taliban. And then the American planes bombed the Pakistani post.”

For years, the villagers said, Suran Dara served as a safe haven for jihadist fighters — whether from Afghanistan or Pakistan or other countries — giving them aid and shelter and a place to stash their weapons. With the firefight under way, one of Suran Dara’s villagers dashed across the border into Afghanistan carrying a field radio with a long antenna (the villager called it “a Motorola”) to deliver to the Taliban fighters. He never made it. The man with the Motorola was hit by an American bomb. After the fight, wounded Taliban members were carried into Suran Dara for treatment. “Everyone supports the Taliban on both sides of the border,” one of the villagers we spoke with said.
Another relevant extract:

ONE SWELTERING AFTERNOON in July, I ventured into the elegant home of a former Pakistani official who recently retired after several years of serving in senior government posts. We sat in his book-lined study. A servant brought us tea and biscuits.

Was it the obsession with India that led the Pakistani military to support the Taliban? I asked him.

“Yes,” he said.

Or is it the anti-Americanism and pro-Islamic feelings in the army?

“Yes,” he said, that too.

And then the retired Pakistani official offered another explanation — one that he said could never be discussed in public. The reason the Pakistani security services support the Taliban, he said, is for money: after the 9/11 attacks, the Pakistani military concluded that keeping the Taliban alive was the surest way to win billions of dollars in aid that Pakistan needed to survive. The military’s complicated relationship with the Taliban is part of what the official called the Pakistani military’s “strategic games.” Like other Pakistanis, this former senior official spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of what he was telling me.

“Pakistan is dependent on the American money that these games with the Taliban generate,” the official told me. “The Pakistani economy would collapse without it. This is how the game works.”


As an example, he cited the Pakistan Army’s first invasion of the tribal areas — of South Waziristan in 2004. Called Operation Shakai, the offensive was ostensibly aimed at ridding the area of Taliban militants. From an American perspective, the operation was a total failure. The army invaded, fought and then made a deal with one of the militant commanders, Nek Mohammed. The agreement was capped by a dramatic meeting between Mohammed and Safdar Hussein, one of the most senior officers in the Pakistan Army.

“The corps commander was flown in on a helicopter,” the former official said. “They had this big ceremony, and they embraced. They called each other mujahids. ”

“Mujahid” is the Arabic word for “holy warrior.” The ceremony, in fact, was captured on videotape, and the tape has been widely distributed.

“The army agreed to compensate the locals for collateral damage,” the official said. “Where do you think that money went? It went to the Taliban. Who do you think paid the bill? The Americans. This is the way the game works. The Taliban is attacked, but it is never destroyed.

“It’s a game,” the official said, wrapping up our conversation. “The U.S. is being taken for a ride.”
 

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How can the US leadership ever delude itself that that Pakistani military will act against it's own countrymen?
Basically from what i gather from the above article they should add fictional war games to the list of thing Pakistan produces.
After all it looks a great moneyspinner.
 

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How can the US leadership ever delude itself that that Pakistani military will act against it's own countrymen?
Well remember, that not *all* of the people are the same countrymen, remember that the border between Pakistan and Afghanistan is pretty fluid. Many of the Taliban consider themselves to be Afghans and are Pashtun tribesmen.

But the bond that unites them is not the nation state. It's something else. Perhaps you can guess. The best that America has does not understand the depths of the problem, I have read the best they have and they are clueless. That's where the policy falls down, they have no idea what they are dealing with.
 

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