Did Islam Ruin Afghanistan ?

[Pratap]

@Virendra
I can not send PM so I am requesting you to tell me when my " Apangata " of not able to edit posts or view profile and send PM will end? Could you help me.

 

[Pratap]

And whats wrong in calling a poor toilet clearner a Dalit right?

And the sad part is the way you have defended associating good governance with caste. And you idiots have the audacity to talk about casteism to others

People of Mayawati caste get angry if someone does not call them dalits. That is the situation here.

 

[TrueSpirit1]

1. For first highlighted line, I think that @Virendra and @civfanatic have more knowledge of history than me but perhaps in certain areas like Mauryans and some aspects of skt literature, I can debate with anyone on this forum with ease.

Well, that is my observation which I continue to maintain & I have reasons to believe so. While you have studied it as a part of your official curricula, the same cannot be said about either of two you mentioned. They are in different domains altogether. So, you have an inherent advantage over them taht no amount of google-baba can compensate for.

Further, you have time, interest & means to pursue these things. The other 2 do not have the privilege of time & energy due to other priorities.

I know what I am talking about. I have been following DFI since its inception.

2. Second highlighted line is totally wrong. I just do not post for sake of it. I believe what I write with utmost conviction and fully recognize that my views may be wrong and I may be confused( who is not?), but I have as much belief in my ideas as an Islamic Ghazi has on Jehad.

I meant, you are fickle as a reed & do not feel about these issues as intensely as some of us feel about them.

For some of us, it is not just an intellectual/philosophical debate to score a point over some anonymous posters but a matter of faith, personal value-system & deeply-held belief that are dearer to us than they are to some intellectuals.

 

[Mad Indian]

Throughout this post, you are justifying corruption done by her.

Behan Mayawati & Netaji Mulla-yam are both arms of Congress. Why do you refuse to see this ? Please do not obfuscate this political reality. Both are a curse upon us. Btw, you can have Behan Mayawati for all we care. UP would be much better-off without her.

Now thats what I call it bull shit. Show me the post by me, where I have justified corruption by her

In case you do not know, entire Ram Mandir movement since the inception of BJP (on national landscape) was led by OBC leaders-Vinay Katiyar, Uma Bharti, Kalyan Singh (&, many more) were all stalwart OBC leaders.

So what?

Now, Modi (another, OBC) has clipped the wings of several of these OBC leaders & sidelined them for good, since some of these leaders are past their sell-date.

It is all about caliber & relevance in today's competitive world. You become redundant the moment you outlive your utility.

Again, so what? If its about that, why was Modi opposed by the BJP elite?

Please do not bring the caste-angle when there is none. If you have to keep harping caste-caste-caste-la la la, stop quoting me.

It is a dog-eat-dog world. Stay relevant or Perish. Peform or Perish.

Does this simple reality need to literally dictated to you ?

Oh stop the claptrap. I have seen caste discriminations with my own eyes from UCs. Even this very thread is a testimony to that point. Either you are a downright liar or some one who has no sense as to what reality is

And propaganda can only take you so far. Your "no caste discrimination" non sense will work on young and gullible. Not on people who have actually experienced it.

 

[Pratap]

You people have lost any kind of objective reasoning. OK lets have it your way, UP/Bihar is paragon of civilisations now rivaling western nations and are not backward like AfPak. Happy now?

No one said that. Strawman argument.

 

[Mad Indian]

People of Mayawati caste get angry if someone does not call them dalits. That is the situation here.

How skillful of you to deflect the point.

You claimed, Chauhan being a capable administrator, must be a Kshatriya. It gives unfortunate implications like - lower castes cant be good administrators

 

[Mad Indian]

No one said that. Strawman argument.

So, you accept bennedose's argument then??

 

[TrueSpirit1]

If the former is the case, then indeed UP/Bihar is the same as AfPak when it comes to the "ruins"

What ruins ? Have you even traveled outside Tamil Nadu ?

Please take your wisdom elsewhere.

 

[Mad Indian]

What ruins ? Have you even traveled outside Tamil Nadu ?

Please take your wisdom elsewhere.

Have you travelled to Pakistan/Afghanistan? Then how are you claiming your state is better than theirs??

Infact, HDI, PCI etc of UP/bihar will roughly match that of AfPak. So much for paragons of Civilizations

 

[Pratap]

Well, that is my observation which I continue to maintain & I have reasons to believe so. While you have studied it as a part of your official curricula, the same cannot be said about either of two you mentioned. They are in different domains altogether. So, you have an inherent advantage over them taht no amount of google-baba can compensate for.

Further, you have time, interest & means to pursue these things. The other 2 do not have the privilege of time & energy due to other priorities.

I know what I am talking about. I have been following DFI since its inception.



I meant, you are fickle as a reed & do not feel about these issues as intensely as some of us feel about them.

For some of us, it is not just an intellectual/philosophical debate to score a point over some anonymous posters but a matter of faith, personal value-system & deeply-held belief that are dearer to us than they are to some intellectuals.

For second point, I do not want to get a scoring point only to bring them closer to "light" . For instance, I want my hindu brothers to know that AIT is just not a western propaganda or colonial myth, it has support from host of other fields and is supported by scholars with no axe to grind against Hindus.
Right now, genetics has destroyed any chance of OIT but i want that you people recognize that it is very diifcult to refute AIT(or its babies) just by making statements like"european wannabes" or " no one believes AIT is true anymore". Believe me , even if I get abuses, I will consider it nothing if my innocent hindu brothers like A chauhan or Virendra recognize that AIT is a very solid theory and right now has nothing to do with colonial ropaganda and if they want to refute it, they need strong linguitic and genetic evidence.

 

[Pratap]

How skillful of you to deflect the point.

You claimed, Chauhan being a capable administrator, must be a Kshatriya. It gives unfortunate implications like - lower castes cant be good administrators

I said that by his good administration, he is certainly a Kshatriya as initially during RIgvedic times, caste was occupation based. A man who was sweeper was dalit even if he was born in bhardvaja gotra. As simple as that.

 

[Pratap]

Have you travelled to Pakistan/Afghanistan? Then how are you claiming your state is better than theirs??

Infact, HDI, PCI etc of UP/bihar will roughly match that of AfPak. So much for paragons of Civilizations

HDI of Pakistani Punjab is better than Karnataka and Andhra Pradesh.

 

[Mad Indian]

I said that by his good administration, he is certainly a Kshatriya as initially during RIgvedic times, caste was occupation based. A man who was sweeper was dalit even if he was born in bhardvaja gotra. As simple as that.

Exactly. By that you mean to suggest Dalits are incapable of being good administrators. Well done.

 

[TrueSpirit1]

You people have lost any kind of objective reasoning.

My reasoning ability has already taken me places (many envy that) & I intend to persist with the same. Thank you.

UP/Bihar is paragon of civilisations

Culturally, yes. Hindi-heartland with synonymous with the idea of India because there are no pseudo-nationalist propensities like Tamil nationalism.

While I talk about India, some like you harp on Tamil-Tamil & Dalit-Dalit tune.

See the difference ?

 

[Mad Indian]

HDI of Pakistani Punjab is better than Karnataka and Andhra Pradesh.

So what??

You claimed AfPak is in ruins because of Islam. But so is UP/Bihar. Infact, they are worse than Pak on whole on average.

Can you deny it?

 

[TrueSpirit1]

Have you travelled to Pakistan/Afghanistan? Then how are you claiming your state is better than theirs??

Epicentre of global terrorism cam not be compared with the state that produces maximum PM for for the largest democracy in the world. Even Modi had to contest from Varansi, not Chennai or Madurai which don't even matter in the scheme of things.

For all your pretensions, you remain a caste-ist,Tamil-chauvinist with a deeply ingrained persecution-paranoia. "India" is an idea that your petty mindset cannot even begin to comprehend. Be happy in your "Tamil" la-la land.

India does not needs such divisive, paranoid doctors. God save your patients.

Infact, HDI, PCI etc of UP/bihar will roughly match that of AfPak. So much for paragons of Civilizations

So much for your knowledge of culture. HDI/PCI constitute culture? Please dont shoot from the ass.

Diversion, deflection & obfuscation is an art that you are yet to master. The original question was about impact on culture, rings a bell ?

 

[Mad Indian]

My reasoning ability has already taken me places (many envy that) & I intend to persist with the same. Thank you.

I can see that

Culturally, yes. Hindi-heartland with synonymous with the idea of India because there are no pseudo-nationalist propensities like Tamil nationalism.

While I talk about India, some like you harp on Tamil-Tamil & Dalit-Dalit tune.

See the difference ?

And talking about Tamils and Dalits make me anti indian? Seriously, try harder

 

[LurkerBaba]

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[Virendra]

Content was OT. Moved to a PM as the thread is closed.