Did Communism and Stalin save the world from Nazism ?

[pmaitra]

Why DFI allows members like Bhadra to stoop to personal attacks without enforcing its own rules is really pathetic. It just goes on and on. I have said, DFI will never rise to its potential while allowing the pissants to run the show.

I have edited that post and left a message. Kindly report posts you find offensive.

 

[Bhadra]

The questions were asked by Walter Williams.

Why DFI allows members like Bhadra to stoop to personal attacks without enforcing its own rules is really pathetic. It just goes on and on. I have said, DFI will never rise to its potential while allowing the pissants to run the show.

I have repied in generic .
your post was an attack on the belief of so many others about socialism and stalin etc.. etc typically being an American that thinks only he can be right...

If you made an attack, you should be able to hear the defence..... or you are a dictator...

 

[Bhadra]

I have edited that post and left a message. Kindly report posts you find offensive.

I think under these circumstances I must leave the forum...

 

[Bhadra]

and here is a man whoes sordid ideas about attack and killing of so many innocwnts in America are;

Newspaper articles here speak of the head of the temple attempting to ward off the shooter with a butter knife. Would that actually been a miniature kirpan?

Pathetic ...blaming a butter knife as Kirpan.....

 

[W.G.Ewald]

I think under these circumstances I must leave the forum...

That would be unfortunate, as many of your posts are insightful and humorous.

I do object to your attacks on another poster on a personal level.

 

[W.G.Ewald]

and here is a man whoes sordid ideas about attack and killing of so many innocwnts in America are;


Pathetic ...blaming a butter knife as Kirpan.....

The question is legitimate. Can you answer it?

 

[pmaitra]

and here is a man whoes sordid ideas about attack and killing of so many innocwnts in America are;

Newspaper articles here speak of the head of the temple attempting to ward off the shooter with a butter knife. Would that actually been a miniature kirpan?

Pathetic ...blaming a butter knife as Kirpan.....

Au contraire, he only expressed a possibility, because 'would' is a preterite of a modal verb. Your accusation is spurious.

 

[pmaitra]

BTW, this thread is "Did Communism and Stalin save the world from Nazism?"

Why are we discussing butter knife and kirpan here?

Gentlemen, let's not go astray.

 

[Cliff@sea]

BTW, this thread is "Did Communism and Stalin save the world from Nazism?"

Why are we discussing butter knife and kirpan here?

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LOL .

 

[Bhadra]

I would stick to my guns. The question legally is an affront.

 

[Akim]

2/3 of the world follow socialistic ideas in one form or the other ! Western societies are welfare Fabian states derived from socialism. Socialism as a theory has had the largest influence on human thoughts.


MOD Edit: Attack the message, not the messenger.

Ideas of socialism now common practically in entire countries ( free education, general medicine, equality of rights for men and women, rich and poor and other). Simply the USSR went on the way of reactionary socialism, and the West on the way of moderate).
Roosevelt was the most important socialist of America, although never him it did not acknowledge. Exactly his socialistic reforms, help out of the USA from Great Depression. Were therefore clear him in going the USSR of reforms and he appointed the ambassador of the USA in the USSR as the best friend Joseph Davis . And in general, Roosevelt would live even yet year - Cold war would not be!

Roosevelt str. in Yalta
And a communism is more developed form of society. He never was. The world did not grow to him.

 

[asianobserve]

It was only Stalin who out smarted them and concluded non aggression pact with Hitler to save Russia between 1939 to 1942/43.

My friend Scalia is trying to rewrite the history of his own country.

That's one way of looking at it. But another way and the more rational way at looking at it is that the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact assured that WW2 happened and that the USSR got invaded by NAZI Germany. Why? Because Stalin and Hitler's pact removed the buffer between their two countries - Poland. With the buffer gone Hitler was able to invade the USSR.

The pact that Stalin entered into with Hitler only strengthened the latter. The better solution would have been for Stalin to strengthen Poland. A stronger Poland (with Allied and USSR's support) no doubt would have deterred Hitler from invading Poland, let alone the USSR. But Stalin's mind was singularly on Poland. Of course we know now that Stalin badly wanted a doorstep to Western Europe from where he can pursue his own European dream. Ironically, Hitler has the same utilitarian view of Poland on the reverse, ie. his gateway to USSR (Eastern Europe).

 

[Akim]

That's one way of looking at it. But another way and the more rational way at looking at it is that the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact assured that WW2 happened and that the USSR got invaded by NAZI Germany. Why? Because Stalin and Hitler's pact removed the buffer between their two countries - Poland. With the buffer gone Hitler was able to invade the USSR.

The pact that Stalin entered into with Hitler only strengthened the latter. The better solution would have been for Stalin to strengthen Poland. A stronger Poland (with Allied and USSR's support) no doubt would have deterred Hitler from invading Poland, let alone the USSR. But Stalin's mind was singularly on Poland. Of course we know now that Stalin badly wanted a doorstep to Western Europe from where he can pursue his own European dream. Ironically, Hitler has the same utilitarian view of Poland on the reverse, ie. his gateway to USSR (Eastern Europe).

You are known our history badly, from the side of the Pacific ocean, only on the English-language textbooks - and they lie. In May, 1939 Stalin wanted to sign a military agreement with France. And for a year to it. To Czechoslovakia suggested to enter 4 infantry, one cavalry and one mechanized division. But then the West did not settle did it. We to August, 1939 did not have direct diplomatic relations with a fascist Germany. From 1933-1939 a year is in our military schools, Germany was examined as an enemy.

 

[W.G.Ewald]

I would stick to my guns. The question legally is an affront.

Please cite the law to which you refer.

Quoting from an entirely different thread because you want to argue with me here is sheer buffoonery.

 

[Bhadra]

Please cite the law to which you refer.

Quoting from an entirely different thread because you want to argue with me here is sheer buffoonery.

Just leave it at that, it was an aberration

 

[asianobserve]

You are known our history badly, from the side of the Pacific ocean, only on the English-language textbooks - and they lie.

You mean it's not true that Stalin entered into an agreement with Hitler known as Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact to jointly invade Poland and not fighter against each other in the process (non-aggression)? And you mean to say that it is not true that the invasion of Poland started WW2? Don't tell me also that with Poland gone Hitler's route to the USSR was clear...? What wrong did I say?

At the very least, if Stalin did not assure Hitler that the USSR will not react against Germany in case the latter invades Poland, Hilter would have paused in his push to Poland (Hitler was only afraid of the USSR, France and UK were not serious threats).

 

[Bhadra]

You mean it's not true that Stalin entered into an agreement with Hitler known as Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact? You mean also to say that it is not true that this agreement was singularly aimed at a coordinated invasion of Poland by both Germany and the USSR? And you mean to say that it is not true that the invasion of Poland started WW2? Don't tell me also that with Poland gone Hitler's route to the USSR was clear...? What wrong did I say?

But after the agreement Hitler attacked West rather than the East. USSR wanted only that time frame for preparation and they did utilise that time very well. Division of Poland only fecilated Geramn attack on west unhindered.

 

[asianobserve]

But after the agreement Hitler attacked West rather than the East. USSR wanted only that time frame for preparation and they did utilise that time very well. Division of Poland only fecilated Geramn attack on west unhindered.

You're missing the point. The best defense of Stalin against Hitler was an intact Poland with the USSR fully behind it or at least with the threat of direct USSR action against Germany on the side of the Polish should Germany invades the latter. Hitler was only actually waiting for an assurance from Stalin (the only power he was truly afraid of) of non-aggression should he move against Poland. With the assurance given through the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact Hitler got his green light to invade Poland and open his doorstep to the USSR.

 

[Akim]

You mean it's not true that Stalin entered into an agreement with Hitler known as Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact to jointly invade Poland and not fighter against each other in the process (non-aggression)? And you mean to say that it is not true that the invasion of Poland started WW2? Don't tell me also that with Poland gone Hitler's route to the USSR was clear...? What wrong did I say?

At the very least, if Stalin did not assure Hitler that the USSR will not react against Germany in case the latter invades Poland, Hilter would have paused in his push to Poland (Hitler was only afraid of the USSR, France and UK were not serious threats).

No, you tell the truth, but all these facts and actions, happened already later than that as Hitler became strong. To it, he can it was be destroyed in germ. But in the book of "Mein Kampf", he wrote, that his main enemy was on East. And Western Europe, very was afraid of communism, therefore and allowed Hitler to swallow Austria and Czechoslovakia and did not want to enter into a military union with the USSR. And it is then necessary it was chose with whom you. By the "third party" on a continent to remain it was impossible.

 

[asianobserve]

And Western Europe, very was afraid of communism, therefore and allowed Hitler to swallow Austria and Czechoslovakia and did not want to enter into a military union with the USSR.

I would like to agree with the widely accepted version of the event, that the West (France and UK) did not have the will to go to war with Hitler for these small countries only 20 years from the last Great War that vastly depleted their resources and while they were still in the grip of the depression. Of course the balancing of the USSR could have also been a consideration but not the primordial. Notice that when POland was finally invaded France and UK were compelled to declare war against Germany. If all along their primary concern was the containment of the USSR then they should have left Hitler to have a foothold In Poland from where he can seriously threaten the USSR (thus contain it for the West)... This makes more sense.