Dhimmitude As Stockholm Syndrome

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    When a person is helpless against another who can beat him at will, even kill him, the persecuted person soon starts admiring the persecutor

    Two terms I frequently use are dhimmitude and dhimmi, terms whose genesis, consequence and current state I would like to examine here. From this examination, I also hope to make it clear why Hindus can’t take their religious processions through Muslim-majority areas, why Hindus historically never studied Islam, and why they did not mount a spirited, intellectual criticism of Islam, and why Hindus still think Islam is merciful and benevolent in the face of all evidence to the contrary, and most importantly, why even today Hindus refuse to discuss Islam and tell fellow Hindus to shut up if the try to discuss Islam.


    First, an extract from Wikipedia-

    Stockholm syndrome, or capture–bonding, is a psychological phenomenon in which hostages express empathy and sympathy and have positive feelings toward their captors, sometimes to the point of defending them. These feelings are generally considered irrational in light of the danger or risk endured by the victims, who essentially mistake a lack of abuse from their captors for an act of kindness.[1][2] The FBI’s Hostage Barricade Database System shows that roughly 27% of victims show evidence of Stockholm syndrome.

    Stockholm syndrome can be seen as a form of traumatic bonding, which does not necessarily require a hostage scenario, but which describes “strong emotional ties that develop between two persons where one person intermittently harasses, beats, threatens, abuses, or intimidates the other.

    ”[4] One commonly used hypothesis to explain the effect of Stockholm syndrome is based on Freudian theory. It suggests that the bonding is the individual’s response to trauma in becoming a victim. Identifying with the aggressor is one way that the ego defends itself. When a victim believes the same values as the aggressor, they cease to be a threat.

    This line needs to be read again: “one person intermittently harasses, beats, threatens, abuses, or intimidates the other.”When a person is helpless against another who can beat him at will, even kill him, the persecuted person soon starts admiring the persecutor for the intervals when he is not being beaten.

    Now we can turn to the Quran 9.29, in which lie the origins of Dhimma, meaning “pact”:

    9.29. Fight against those from among the People of the Book who (despite being People of the Book) do not believe in God and the Last Day (as they should be believed in), and do not hold as unlawful that which God and His Messenger have decreed to be unlawful, and do not adopt and follow the Religion of truth, until they pay the jizyah (tax of protection and exemption from military service) with a willing hand in a state of submission.

    It’s also illuminative to read authoritative commentaries by noted Islamic scholars on this verse:

    Jalal:

    Fight those who do not believe in God, nor in the Last Day, for, otherwise, they would have believed in the Prophet (s), and who do not forbid what God and His Messenger have forbidden, such as wine, nor do they practise the religion of truth, the firm one, the one that abrogated other religions, namely, the religion of Islam — from among of those who (min, ‘from’, explains [the previous] alladhīna, ‘those who’) have been given the Scripture, namely, the Jews and the Christians, until they pay the jizya tribute, the annual tax imposed them, readily (‘an yadin is a circumstantial qualifier, meaning, ‘compliantly’, or ‘by their own hands’, not delegating it [to others to pay]), being subdued, [being made] submissive and compliant to the authority of Islam.(Tafsir al-Jalalayn,)

    Ibn Kathir’s commentary:

    “Allah said, (until they pay the Jizyah), if they do not choose to embrace Islam, (with willing submission), in defeat and subservience, (and feel themselves subdued.), disgraced, humiliated and belittled. Therefore, Muslims are not allowed to honor the people of Dhimmah or elevate them above Muslims, for they are miserable, disgraced and humiliated. Muslim recorded from Abu Hurayrah that the Prophet said, (Do not initiate the Salam to the Jews and Christians, and if you meet any of them in a road, force them to its narrowest alley.) This is why the Leader of the faithful `Umar bin Al-Khattab, may Allah be pleased with him, demanded his well-known conditions be met by the Christians, these conditions that ensured their continued humiliation, degradation and disgrace.”

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    The verse itself, and both the commentaries by the most renowned commentatorslay emphasis on the fact that -jizyah has to be paid in submission, in humiliation. The Muslim who comes to collect jizyah has to humiliate the person paying jizyah. Equally, several Muslim sources are quoted saying that the jizyah collector has to sit on a higher place, and the kafir has to stand in front of him, and after the money changes hands, the Muslim must hit the kafir below ear to degrade him.

    The first instance of dhimma, and which is the basis of later pacts, was the pact that Mohammed made with the Jews of Khaybar Oasis after defeating them, killing many, and taking many women as sex slaves. The pact stipulated that Jews can continue to cultivate the lands but that the ownership of land would lie with Muslims, and 50 per cent of the produce each year would be paid as jizyah. This was in 628 CE. With such a humiliating pact, the Oasis which was till then the richest Oasis in Arabia, went to ruins, as Jews, very good farmers till then, lost all incentive to work hard, and the remaining Jews were driven out by Omar in 642 CE. This is also the reason why Hindus in India became so poor during the prolonged medieval Muslim rule- when 50 per cent of income of the Hindus were taken away as jizyah, not to mention the slave-like conditions they had to work in, they only produced enough to keep themselves alive.

    Next, we can examine Omar, the second Caliph after Mohammed. It is worth reading the text of his famous pact which the vanquished Christians of Syria signed.

    In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. This is a document to the servant of Allah `Umar, the Leader of the faithful, from the Christians of such and such city. When you (Muslims) came to us we requested safety for ourselves, children, property and followers of our religion. We made a condition on ourselves that:

    we will neither erect in our areas a monastery, church, or a sanctuary for a monk,

    nor restore any place of worship that needs restoration

    nor use any of them for the purpose of enmity against Muslims.

    We will not prevent any Muslim from resting in our churches whether they come by day or night, and we will open the doors [of our houses of worship] for the wayfarer and passerby.

    Those Muslims who come as guests, will enjoy boarding and food for three days.

    We will not allow a spy against Muslims into our churches and homes or hide deceit [or betrayal] against Muslims.

    We will not teach our children the Qur’an,

    We will not] publicize practices of Shirk,

    [We will not] invite anyone to Shirk or prevent any of our fellows from embracing Islam, if they choose to do so.

    We will respect Muslims,

    [We will] move from the places we sit in if they choose to sit in them.

    We will not imitate their clothing, caps, turbans, sandals, hairstyles, speech, nicknames and title names,

    or ride on saddles,

    [We will not] hang swords on the shoulders, collect weapons of any kind or carry these weapons.

    We will not encrypt our stamps in Arabic,

    or sell liquor.

    We will have the front of our hair cut, wear our customary clothes wherever we are,

    [We will] wear belts around our waist,

    refrain from erecting crosses on the outside of our churches

    and [refrain from] demonstrating them and our books in public in Muslim fairways and markets.

    We will not sound the bells in our churches, except discretely,

    or raise our voices while reciting our holy books inside our churches in the presence of Muslims,

    nor raise our voices [with prayer] at our funerals,

    or light torches in funeral processions in the fairways of Muslims, or their markets.

    We will not bury our dead next to Muslim dead,

    or buy servants who were captured by Muslims.

    We will be guides for Muslims and refrain from breaching their privacy in their homes.

    We will not beat any Muslim.

    These are the conditions that we set against ourselves and followers of our religion in return for safety and protection. If we break any of these promises that we set for your benefit against ourselves, then our Dhimmah (promise of protection) is broken and you are allowed to do with us what you are allowed of people of defiance and rebellion.

    This is the pact, the dhimma which gives rise to dhimmitude and dhimmis. It is pretty clear from this that it is an instrument that gives rise to Stockholm Syndrome in the entire population of kafirs. And that is its exact objective and effect. When we analyse the pact clause by clause in the context of Hindus, we get this:

    • No new temples can be constructed, and existing ones cannot be repaired. So kafirs will gradually lose their places of worship.
    • Muslims are entitled to stay in temples, in kafir homes, and the kafir is bound to take good care of them whether kafirs want to do so or not.
    • Kafirs are prohibited to read the Quran, for the simple reason that they will discover what this so called book of religion actually says, and whether any God can ever say what this alleged book of God says. That is why Hindus know so little of the Quran even today.
    • Kafirs will respect Muslims and will leave for them place to sit. Kafirs will not bear arms, and will not use saddle on horses. Fully disarmed, kafirs can’t defend themselves.
    • Kafirs will not take out religious procession through Muslim areas. That is why the Jaggannath Yatra in Ahmedabad cannot be taken through Muslim areas.
    • And kafirs cannot beat Muslims of course.
    • In all, Kafirs lead and must lead a most degraded existence.
    But the most crucial aspect of the pact is the last paragraph.

    “These are the conditions that we set against ourselves and followers of our religion in return for safety and protection. If we break any of these promises that we set for your benefit against ourselves, then our Dhimmah (promise of protection) is broken and you are allowed to do with us what you are allowed of people of defiance and rebellion.”

    In return for safety and protection- in other words, non-Muslims are only safe and protected only if they obey all of the above conditions at all times. So if any kafir breaks any of the conditions, the protection is lifted from all kafirs, because the pact was collective. And because individual Muslims are authorized to inflict sharia punishments, any Muslim can punish any kafir. This is what has made a huge chunk of the 100 crore Hindus of India as dhimmis whether they consciously realize it or no. It is what dictates Indian politics and public discourse;” you are allowed to do with us what you are allowed of people of defiance and rebellion,” meaning people of rebellion are allowed to be killed. So jizyah is basically protection money to put off the killing of the conquered people by just one more year, that is, when the next installment of jizyah comes due. But payment of protection money doesn’t buy protection if any conditions of Umar’s pact are violated.

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    Therefore kafirs themselves become enforcers of the conditions of Omar’s pact. Thus, any infraction of the pact by any kafir makes every kafir liable to be killed. This is the condition that gives rise to dhimmitude- an attitude that gets ingrained into the kafir’s psyche like a control switch: Muslims are not to be offended nor allowed to be offended by my fellow kafirs instead they have to be respected and praised.

    And so we have hundreds of thousands of dhimmis—fellow Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists, and Christians of India (and others across the world)—who continue to unconsciously enforce Omar’s diktat. Indeed, the obstinacy of a few Hindus asking uncomfortable questions and critically scrutinizing Islam’s foundational books may lead to murder of any one of these modern-day enforcers of the dhimma.

    http://indiafacts.co.in/dhimmitude-as-stockholm-syndrome/
     
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    Best comment so far

    Dr M.S

    As a mental health researcher and an educator Stockholm Syndrome shows up in many places in many ways...and there are places where its occurrence, like the author points out, has not been studied.

    Let me share with you an odd observation. I came across a fun catchy music video of Mani Ratnam's latest movie "Ok Kanmani". It is a theme of modern young urban couples living together before marriage, which was something that has been going on since the 1970s in the US. But for India it is a big new thing, and exploring it through movies is a good idea. But the interview with Mani Ratnam praising sky high the hero in the movie who is a Muslim actor, but not mentioning once the HIndu actress, is very telling.

    Muslim men are very likely to treat women who have premarital sex with them or live with them as "sluts" (like the characters who use that word on these websites even against intellectual women giving their comments). Many Anglo American women have been used by Muslim men, who woo them, seduce them and then go to bed with them, and then go back to Saudi Arabia or Pakistan for a wife...and then try to re-enter these abandoned or used women's lives to turn them into their mistresses or co-wives. And yet these men are acting the role of liberated and liberating men in our movies. And we have silly Hindu women and men in the media interviewing these guys as real life heroes.
    He is an actor. and one who is married to a Muslim woman, acting like a liberated modern guy...but the idiots in the media cannot see the difference...and they gush and goo in ways that are truly embarrassing.

    The Hindu does not take risks, and one who does take risks is rarely praised by another Hindu. Hindus give compliments to Anglo women, Anglo men, Muslim celluloid characters and praise sky high little achievements of other countries...while constantly verbally or physically whipping other Hindus, especially their women. Hindu men do not know the difference between flattery and compliment, critique versus verbal abuse. You see that among many commentators on these websites. How else can you explain media idiots, many of them Hindus. interviewing a Muslim man playing a character of a liberal man versus real life men (Hindu or Muslim) who are liberal and liberated, and treat their women with respect, but rarely get compliments or coverage in the Indian media?

    When I would go to Indian organizations in Iowa or Florida with my Anglo husband in Indian clothes speaking a few words in Hindi or Tamil the Indians there would gush and goo over him...and shower him with praise and compliment. One even garlanded him....but I, the woman who give so much of the Hindu knowledge to my husband, would be ignored, slighted and even condescendingly talked down to. This is the behavior among Indian Hindu men (and some women) in the US...Imagine India?

    In India and among Indians the layering of the colonized mind is so deep one can see it even among educated Indian immigrants in New York, Iowa and Silicon Valley.

    It is more than a Stockholm Syndrome....it is a battered psyche that batters itself and its own people (including its women). In that regard Indian Hindus are unique. As one Indian man jokingly noted, "Hindus don't just jump in a well to please their non-Hindu masters or batterers...they jump in a well for an entire community from which the batterer comes from. It is a whole new psychology that has to be studied."

    Are we funding such studies?
     
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    Who says Hindus haven't been critical of Islam. Read satyarth prakash,. Swami dayanand saraswati rips into those abrahmic religions. Those zakir naik like zealots fear arya samaj, they never argue with them.
     
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    Very very limited and they are not in MSM or in public domain. Anyway at-last now few hindus questioning these Mullaism &Evangelicals
     
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    We need to give grant to Hindu evangelist organization like arya samaj which promotes casteless Hindu community. Most of the problem arise from the parents not giving education on our religion. Many Hindu parents teach their children that all religions are same, we need to propagate the truth about the evils of organized religion in our friends and family. I recently converted many of my secular friends to Hindu fold. We all must do the same. Sitting idle won't help. Arise awake and stop not till the goal is reached.
     
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    I thinks even RSS/VHP are also too secular to counter these abrahamic filth. We don't have any choice,thanks our sickular text books brainwashing and our Dhimmi Media :frusty:
     
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    whr invaders hv been eulogised, heroes binned!!
    a wry smile played on my face as soon as a i spotted the title of this thread!
    this impression is what i too have. esp. if you read about the britaani dhimmis and their antics, you can't help but wonder about it. this isn't the problem with Hindus alone. the bartaaniya saamraajya esp. is severely affected by it.
    no offense to anyone, but a population traditionally prone or taught to be a bully, the meeks would either risk being perished, or turn dhimmi, or rise against, esp. when this bully can also apparently attempt burning a school-bus full of kids (a friend being witness to it at Ngp. during the Danish cartoons episode), turn barbaric to no end, all seemingly for his/her perceived ideal and idols. and the level of dhimmitude some show could make even Stalin rise from his grave and do a long 'awwww'!
    but yes, dare you speak either against it or for yourselves! you will be the most vile, obnoxious communal gooey 'phobe' by default to have graced the secular Earth! while earnest & sincere calls & advices for introspection and change-making, even from within the 'order', they are meant to be just 'meh'ed down, so that the judge dredds can just prepare for another 'haww' & 'boo' hurling-session in peace like the good humanists they are, and rally for the perennial victimhood....o oh....victims i meant, in all secular sincerity me swear!
     
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    whr invaders hv been eulogised, heroes binned!!
    read about the experience of Sita Ram Goel & Koenraad Elst on the 'enthusiasm' of the VHP to counter the 'scholarly' books & articles by our dear marxist historians. apparently, the only good counter is to come by the likes of Rajiv Malhotra ji and gentlemen such as these two, because the others, them divinely ordained (even if they don't believe in any divinity) historians ruling our colonial roost, they can shrug away attempts at debunking their tomfoolery citing that 'you don't have the credentials of a scholar', but people like the mentioned, they've got all those titles and credentials and what-have-you and more, and have the terrific capability of making them royally suck at their own game single-handedly! these VHP and Bajarang Dals et al are good more for probably show of strength and photo-ops; ofcourse these have their own uses, but don't expect much more from them beyond that.
     
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    But how many author in more recent times have written such things or if written given the limelight it deserved by the media or intelligentsia who predominantly come from Hindu-backgrounds?
     
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    It is not a syndrome.

    Hindus do not believe in superiority based on religion. Most of them do not even understand who is a Dhimmi and Islamic system.

    Hindus are majority in India and so most of them go easy on Islam.
     

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