DF-21D Anti-Ship Ballistic Missile

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Time has changed, have you been following the on-going budget battle? It is diffciult for the Pentagon to request an extra penny nowdays, let along the tens of billions and potentially hundreds of billions of dollars needed to implement a fail-safe anti ASBM system. US is caught in a dillemma, because unlike the soviet union china does not seek parity with america. Any investment china is putting in the purported ASBM is probably quite limited, say a few billion dollars. In line with China's nuk arsenal which has not expanded for decades, China only aims to achieve a minimum deterrence. But unfortunately for US any counter measure is bound to cost a lot more.
You are wrong about their military. They will not let go of technical superiority.
 

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You are wrong about their military. They will not let go of technical superiority.
Never said US won't try to maintain her military superiority, just any attempt to counter a potential ASBM will be costly, much costly than to develop an ASBM. Furthermore, no matter what US maight come up, the round goes to China. Why? Because before it was bare hands against big gun, no context, now it is small gun versus big gun. You can upgrade the big gun to even bigger guns say big big gun to maintain your edge, but the balance of power will never be the same as big big gun can never achive the same superiority over a small gun as a big gun does over bare hands.
 

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Never said US won't try to maintain her military superiority, just any attempt to counter a potential ASBM will be costly, much costly than to develop an ASBM. Furthermore, no matter what US maight come up, the round goes to China. Why? Because before it was bare hands against big gun, no context, now it is small gun versus big gun. You can upgrade the big gun to even bigger guns say big big gun to maintain your edge, but the balance of power will never be the same as big big gun can never achive the same superiority over a small gun as a big gun does over bare hands.
They already tested sm variant regarding Naval BMD..

Besides Chinease ASBM have great range but dont have reliable guidance, if you Google properly u can find you are still working on a a active seeker, till then you have to relay on UAVs for carrier position..
 

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when are chines going to test this missile???? it has been more then one year ever since this thread has been started.
 

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when are chines going to test this missile???? it has been more then one year ever since this thread has been started.
Rumor on Chinese defence forum said that it has been already tested, and the target of the test is one of Chinese prestigious YuanWang class Space Tracking Ships. Be free to question the credibility of such baseless rumors.
 

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Rumor on Chinese defence forum said that it has been already tested, and the target of the test is one of Chinese prestigious YuanWang class Space Tracking Ships. Be free to question the credibility of such baseless rumors.
Lol you said it. Rumor of the test is just like the rumor of the missiles existence in the first place.

Let me put it this way. Rumored test of a rumored missile!!!
 

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Rumor on Chinese defence forum said that it has been already tested, and the target of the test is one of Chinese prestigious YuanWang class Space Tracking Ships. Be free to question the credibility of such baseless rumors.
Chinese Forum ?

Any Solid Link from PRC ?
 

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when you want to hide something then show your enemy other false thing

something is cooking in china and that will really not sweet for india
 

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something is cooking in china and that will really not sweet for india
some dogs, snakes and lizards and the Chinese don't have "sweet dishes" like us in India. Dont expect anything sweet from them!! Pun intended.
 

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Test against what? Viraat is probably undergoing maintenance and life extension. Maybe PLAN should try the test against Pacific Task Force of US Navy till Viraat is in maintenance. That way not only PLAN will know what their missile can do but also know what countermeasure or counter-reaction would be in retaliation to the test.
 

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some dogs, snakes and lizards and the Chinese don't have "sweet dishes" like us in India. Dont expect anything sweet from them!! Pun intended.
We don't eat dog foods.So just enjoy yours and leave us out of your "sweet dishes".
 
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China 'Developing Satellites to Guide Missiles'

The Chosun Ilbo (English Edition): Daily News from Korea - China 'Developing Satellites to Guide Missiles'

China has been reportedly developing satellites that would help it attack aircraft carriers with anti-ship ballistic missiles.

Shanghai's Eastday newspaper on Thursday cited a report from the Project 2049 Institute, a defense think tank in the U.S., saying China has been developing high-definition satellites, radar satellites, electronic-reconnaissance satellite and small satellites powered by solid fuel to track and target U.S. carrier strike groups in real time.

By using satellites operating in a low orbit, the Chinese military hopes to improve the precision strike ability of its middle and long-range ballistic missiles by accurately locating targets.

China has stationed so-called "carrier-killer" DF-21D ballistic missiles at military base. They can reportedly travel 3,000 km and are capable of attacking U.S. carriers in the west Pacific, Indian Ocean and South China Sea, though it not entirely clear whether their capacity lives up to initial reports.

One of China's weather satellites, which went into operation in 2008, already has some of these functions, according to the institute. The satellite has 12 all-weather sensors that can provide the exact location and signals of targets in addition to weather information. It is understood that China is also busy developing an early warning satellite for detection and counterattack of enemy ballistic missiles.
 

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Re: China 'Developing Satellites to Guide Missiles'

hmm i thought DF21D has shorter range than 3000km.
 

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China's DF-21D Missile : One shot Aircraft Carrier Killer

China's DF-21D Missile Is a One-Shot Aircraft Carrier Killer


Since the end of WWII, America's naval might has been undisputed and our aircraft carriers have been its crown jewels. However, the days of dominance could end with China's new DF-21D ballistic missile—the only device on Earth capable of sinking an aircraft carrier—four and a half acres of sovereign US territory—with one shot.

The DF-21D (Dong-Feng 21 variant D) is the world's first and only anti-ship ballistic missile (ASBM). It's a two stage, land-launched missile with a maximum estimated range of 2,700 to 3,000 km. Its single fuel-air explosive warhead packs 200 to 500 kilotons. It was developed by China Changfeng Mechanics and Electronics Technology Academy as part of the country's massive military modernization effort, an initiative focused primarily on developing overwhelming missile technologies for which there are no effective defenses. The Defense Department believes it entered active service around 2009.

While the Chinese obviously aren't saying much on the inner workings of the new missile system, military experts believe it will rely on China's Over the Horizon radar (OTH) to monitor a 3,000-km swath of the South China Sea, where China is now claiming dominion over. The OTH system bounces its radar signal off the ionosphere to see past the curvature of the earth. If the OTH detects a carrier battle fleet, the system instigates a set of Yaogan satellites to search the area and provide precise targeting data. Additionally, when the OTH detects an approaching fleet, the system will reportedly launch a swarm of micro-satellites into low orbit where they will help refine the targeting data further and transmit it back to the onshore command center. Meanwhile, UAVs will be launched to track the fleet. Once the missile has been launched and separated from its first stage, the warhead employs synthetic aperture radar to find the carrier. It receives real time telemetry data as it locks onto its target and initiates its terminal descent.

This capability could be used to effectively deny US carriers from intervening in, say, the Taiwan Strait. It could also be used as a very large stick in resolving local territorial disputes. Many members of the security community also worry that the FAE warheads could easily be replaced with nuclear ones. If that occurred, it would very lead to an arms race with Japan and India (neither of whom are particularly fond of the Communist PRC). Or, it could dissolve the US-Russian INF Treaty, which prevents the two countries from from deploying short and intermediate range land-based ballistic and cruise missiles.


 
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OTH radar is only good as an EW system. Targeting would have to come from satellites.
 

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With the amount of heat generated by the RV when it reenters earth, how can it get data from synthetic aperture radar ? Remember US Space shuttle too had period of radio silence because of no connection when Shuttle enter the atmosphere.

here is the Thermal view of RV from youtube video screen shot



it is glowing hot, when it re enter earth and even to the point of impact, you can see the last mili second of its impact.

So how on earth is its radar going to get data :confused:
 

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Simple sir! It will not!

This is nothing but a CCP propaganda tool to distract from the brewing revolution inside PRC.

With the amount of heat generated by the RV when it reenters earth, how can it get data from synthetic aperture radar ? Remember US Space shuttle too had period of radio silence because of no connection when Shuttle enter the atmosphere.

here is the Thermal view of RV from youtube video screen shot



it is glowing hot, when it re enter earth and even to the point of impact, you can see the last mili second of its impact.

So how on earth is its radar going to get data :confused:
 

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http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uBnBUioIrYo
An artist impression of the Chinese DF-21 ballistic guided missile's anti-ship capability. The simulation shows the missile launched against an aircraft carrier. The missile releases the upper stage that uses steering nozzles to position the payload on the required trajectory, while dodging missile interceptors in space... Before reentering the upper atmosphere the upper stage releases the unitary warhead protected by the reentry vehicle. This section is also equipped with decoys and pyrotechnical charges that are kicked in to avoid missile interceptors and reposition the warhead on target. According to missile experts, such terminal manoeuvring isn't necessary when nuclear warheads are used, but would be useful for conventional attack. DF-21 is likely to carry a 0.3-0.5kt nuclear warhead or several conventional warheads. Another intriguing part of this video is the upper stage 'dodging' missile interceptors, since this element doesn't have the means to respond to incoming interceptors. Hence, these manoeuvres are more likely to be pre-programmed rather than reactive. :ranger:
 

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