Development phases of the not so Chinese missiles of Pakistan

[hit&run]

Reduction of warhead size between Shaheen-2 and Shaheen-3 nuclear ballistic missiles of Pakistan.
Reduced size increases speed after re-entry as lower drag. Also lower radar cross section and difficult to detect.

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Which scale you are using to compare both the pictures for Diameter of the nose cone ?

 

[Bornubus]

I love the TEL ( originally Chinese Russian). Much better than shitty Indian TELs

 

[Mikesingh]

View attachment 12892 Movable front fins on Pakistan's Nasr missile. Enhancing accuracy and maneuverability.
Evident from circular lugs at the base of triangular fins.

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These are missiles supposed to carry tactical nukes. Tell me when and where have these nukes been tested? If not, how has their design been frozen and weaponized?

How many tests were conducted before operationalization? If not, how do you know that the warhead will work? Tactical nukes need miniaturization unlike the ones with nominal yields which most counter value weapons have. This miniaturization is extremely complicated and needs considerable testing. Has Pakistan mastered the art of miniaturization?

In a nutshell, I feel this so called threat of using tactical nukes by Pak is all bluff and bluster.

 

[safriz]

These are missiles supposed to carry tactical nukes. Tell me when and where have these nukes been tested? If not, how has their design been frozen and weaponized?

How many tests were conducted before operationalization? If not, how do you know that the warhead will work? Tactical nukes need miniaturization unlike the ones with nominal yields which most counter value weapons have. This miniaturization is extremely complicated and needs considerable testing. Has Pakistan mastered the art of miniaturization?

In a nutshell, I feel this so called threat of using tactical nukes by Pak is all bluff and bluster.

Simulation and cold tests is the word here.
Even america is still developing nuclear weapons but you don't see then blasting a bomb as now with softwares and computational power alternative ways are available.
In worst case scenario the nuclear weapon produces a different yield than predicted in the simulations but chances of it not working at all are negligible.

P.S. It all being a bluff cannot be ruled out either,but it will be too much of a risk for India to go ahead,attack and get it proved wrong,and that's the whole purpose of nuclear weapons. To make enemy think many times before they attack or deter them completely or "Nuclear deterrent" . So even if it's a bluff it is serving it's purpose as "deterrent"

 

[safriz]

Does this junk work?

The Flight Control Computer of Ghauri/Hatf V
which landed in Dadu, Pakistan

Another missile crash in Haveli and Khazani villages. Police sources had said that a “Colonel Mushtaq” and “Colonel Amjad” from the Hyderabad Cantonment have secured the sites as well as the metal debris.

Leaked photographs showed that the devices were equipped with fuel tanks, CPUs, electric circuits, exhausts and gauges. The debris was that of a Hatf-V missile field tested by the Pakistan Army from its National command Center the same day.

These Porki tin cans they term as 'nuclear missiles' are nothing to be wary about!
And those so called battlefield nukes they call Nasr haven't even entered the testing phase yet! Lol!

Yes obviously this was the discarded stage after fuel was consumed. This is normal procedure for Most ballistic Missiles.
The fact that there is no fire damage as fine wires can still be seen with insulation on and no charring or soot marks, proves that it wasn't an explosion or fuel fire. Just an empty stage falling back to earth after warhead was released.
More of an evidence of success than failure.

 

[safriz]

Pakistan's Shaheen 3 deploys similar design feature as Indai's Agni-5. A third stage tucked away on the top triangle by reducing warhead size.

 

[safriz]

Pakistan's Ghauri Missile being prepared for launch at Tilla Range in Northern Punjab. The facility was originally Built for testing SUPARCO made liquid fuel engines for satellite launch vehicles, with telemetry and tracking equipment on ground.
The Tilla range was extensively used for static and flight testing of Pakistan's first Nuclear capable Ballistic Missile Ghauri. The engine used was the same SUPARCO design conceived for SLV and same telemetry and tracking facilities used for verifying missile's flight perimeters.

 

[safriz]

Pakista's Shaheen-1A ballistic Missile has a less known secret shown in this video.

 

[Krusty]

testing while deployed

What does this exactly mean? .....

 

[safriz]

Large weapon and electronics chamber on Pakistan's Nasr Quasi Ballistic missile.
The missile is armed with Neutron bomb for penetrating Netron radiation burst disabling Men and machine in a large area if not necessarily Kill and destroy.
Theoretically any nuclear weapon under 10 Kiloton yield is a neutron weapon by virtue of very high neutron emission at detonation.
Larger warheads had outer shells absorbing high energy neutrons using them as trigger for fuhrer nuclear reactions.

 

[Tarun Kumar]

Gha

Currently Pakistan has 11 Types of Deployed Nuclear armed missiles and two in Development while deployed. Total of 13.

Ghauri-1
Ghauri-2
Abdali
Ghaznavi
Shaheen
Shaheen-1
Shaheen-1A (Version 1)
Shaheen-1A (version 2,in testing while deployed)
Shaheen-2
Shaheen-3 (testing while deployed)
Babur Cruise milssile
Ra'ad ALCM
Nasr Battle field ballistic missile.


India has

Prithvi-1
Prithvi-2
Prithvi-3
Dhanush (Prithvi naval version)
Agni-1
Agni-2
Agni-3
Agni-4

Agni-5 Not deployed yet. K-series not deployed yet. Nirbhay not deployed yet.

Total types of Indian deployed nuclear missiles 8

Ghauri is an outdated liquid fuel missile which uses old generation liquid fuel tech and most likely is being retired. You are counting different versions of same missile as different missiles. Also having more types of missiles unnecessarily raises costs .All major powers have only 2-3 types of missiles. For eg both US and Russia are moving towards 2 missile type arsenal. US with Minuteman for land based and Trident for sea based. Russia for Sarmat for land and Bulava for sea. In India's case ,I suppose the currrent missile inventory is more than sufficient. Also I would hope agni 3 and agni 5 are replaced by agni 6. Having more variety of missiles is actually bad . Moreover you have not included K15 which is deployed, K4 which is developed and in process of deployment like Shaheen 3 and Pralay/Shaurya QBM whichwill be a tactical nuclear/conventional missile.

 

[DingDong]

Pakistani missiles are only for show, they are both unreliable and inaccurate.

That is one of the reasons why Pakistan tried to quickly De-escalate in 1999 after India started deployment of Pakistan centric missiles. The Paki decision makers were informed that Pakistani missile systems were dysfunctional

 

[safriz]

Evolution of Babur cruise missile

 

[safriz]

Evolution of Pakistan's nasr battlefield range missile.

 

[tharun]

@safriz Why don't you use your illusionary drawing and mark the stages on a Minuteman or French M-51 or trident which are small in size and have three stage solid rocket motor.

 

[hit&run]

Every time I am coming on to this thread to learn some thing technical but finding nothing.

I wonder this guy without googling can tell us the formula of measuring the volume of a cone (year 9 Maths).

I am sorry if I am making this thread highly technical.

 

[safriz]

First Pakistsni missile Hatf-1 paraded in 1989

 

[HariPrasad-1]

For A5 range against China, its MIRVed and range can be extended upto 8500 km but bringing down the payload. China has raised the issue for a reason.

Plus, if you are questioning capability of a country to cover China who can throw it's spacecraft 485 million miles deep in outer space, you are a fool.

Just because you wrote the versions of Shaheen and not of Indian Missiles to make your list long, that doesn't change the fact that it's rare that India doesn't operate any kind missile which Pak has but same is not vice versa!:biggrin2:
Shaheens or Abdali, all are either short range or medium range.
Is there even a single IRBM in your list? No.
Even you tried to squeeze Indian list and you are only including Indian Ballistic Missiles, even then, Agnis dwarfed them.


Not complete list for Indian Missiles,
Trishul (Retired)
Akask SAM
Prithvi-1
Prithvi-2
Prithvi-3
Dhanush
Agni-1
Agni-2
Agni-3 (two versions)
Agni-4 (MaRV)
And there's only one pending test for Agni-5.
K-15 Sagarika SLQBM (Hyperspace Submarine Launched Missile)

BrahMos LACM

Prahar (Tactical Battlefield Ballistic Missile) (Similar to Nasr but unlike Pakistanis, Indians don't go Gaga over small missiles)

Barak 8 LRSAM

Pradyumna(Exo Atmospheric Interceptor)

Ashwin (Endo Atmospheimric Interceptor, being inducted while testing)



There are very few sorts of missiles
In Pipe:
Agni-V (just one test pending)
Agni-VI ICBM
Agni-1P
Nirbhay LACM/ALCM/SLCM
K-4 SLIRBM
Shaurya (QBM)
NGARM (Anti Radiation)

I'm not including basic weapons like Torpedoes, AAMs, Howitzers which Pak doesn't have.
This list may help you,
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_missiles_by_country

One more shaurya based missile is under development on priority bases. It will not be as fast as shaurya but will have a longer range.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

Mr.Kalam may have been talking about possibilities not ground realities.
Thing is when a ballistic missile rises to space and back to atmosphere , it is too high to remain hidden and the whole world is watching. Satellite,Radars , even Telescopes can easily track the Ballistic missile. Calculate trajectory and hence the range. For Example Agni-4 rises to about 700 Km in altitude while traveling on Lofted trajectory and impossible to hide where it is going.
It's not Cruise missile which can remain hidden and nobody will know of it's actual course and range,its ballistic missile we are talking about which the whole world watches.
If India had tested a missile of 10,000 or 6000 Kilometer range,the world had known and it would have been reported on say Chinese media may be? Even British media showed concerns about Recent Agni-5 test and reported the range as 5000 Kilometers and altitude 600 Kilometers.
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Agni IV is tested in 900 km altitude and 4000 K M Range. In a bit depressed trajectory it can have a very high range. While the test of agni IV, indian scientist had said that they have a space to put more fuel in the missile. Agni IV range is easily extendable to 4800 KM.

 

[Hari Sud]

Propagandist above at work again.

None of these missiles are Pakistani developed and built. These are Chinese and North Korean missiles, repainted in Pakistani colours.