Design and Engineering of Agni VI missile is finished

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Instead of sending multiple missiles, lets just send one. They will keep chasing it all over porki airspace.
No Costly Agni VI types of missiles is required for Porkis. Just Few Prithivs shall do the job. We do not want to touch Baluchistan, FATA, and POK. What we need is to teach a lesson to punjabi porkies and few guys in karachi.
 

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No Costly Agni VI types of missiles is required for Porkis. Just Few Prithivs shall do the job. We do not want to touch Baluchistan, FATA, and POK. What we need is to teach a lesson to punjabi porkies and few guys in karachi.
It's not just the cities, nuke plants, reactors, missile launch stations, all need to be considered in order to prevent a retaliation.

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Good. But does this mean the single missile can hit multiple cities? Or would it be just a cluster type attack limited to a single city? What I mean is, the range of different warheads from a single missile is what?
Yes the single missile which will be carrying a Post boost control vehicle or a Bus which carries multiple warheads will have sequential launch adapters , the PBCV will itself have multiple vernier rockets which will align the vehicle into its optimal trajectory with the help of various algorithms that are pre programmed then the sequential launch adapters will align the payloads of the bus in suitable trajectory.

No it will not be a cluster type attack the various warheads will be ejected from the bus controlled by the adapters , the adapters will use the redundant Ring laser gyro based Inertial navigation system and digital scene mapping correlator for gauging the correct alignment .

Yes it can attack multiple cities actually that is the point of MIRV.

Those ranges are classified and though India has had the necessary technologies but has not tested it yet so we have to wait .
 

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It's not just the cities, nuke plants, reactors, missile launch stations, all need to be considered in order to prevent a retaliation.

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As far as attacking Pakistan is concerned various theoretical scenarios probably have been created and theoretical simulation would have been run depending on Pakistan's initial attack. Though there is a saying " the best plan would not last the first attack " so all this theoretical studies are pretty much waste .
 

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As far as attacking Pakistan is concerned various theoretical scenarios probably have been created and theoretical simulation would have been run depending on Pakistan's initial attack. Though there is a saying " the best plan would not last the first attack " so all this theoretical studies are pretty much waste .
That's what 2nd strike ability is for.
 

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That's what 2nd strike ability is for.
No, it is not. So far, Pakistan doesn't have the pre-emptive nuclear strike capability at all. The only 2 possible kind of Indian targets for Pakistan are: armour columns and cities. Indian nuclear missiles will be safe in any nuclear attack from Pakistan. They don't have the necessary number and equipment to undertake such mission.
 

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It's not just the cities, nuke plants, reactors, missile launch stations, all need to be considered in order to prevent a retaliation.

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I once read in a post by one of our eminent defence experts (Uday Bhaskar ? not sure) that all Pakistan's strategic assets-- nukes, missiles are secured in underground tunnels in West Punjab only and nowhere else becoz ISI, Army don't trust Balochs, Sindhis and tribals of NWFP. That makes India's task easier. Entire West Punjab comes within range of Prithvi.
 

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Yes the single missile which will be carrying a Post boost control vehicle or a Bus which carries multiple warheads will have sequential launch adapters , the PBCV will itself have multiple vernier rockets which will align the vehicle into its optimal trajectory with the help of various algorithms that are pre programmed then the sequential launch adapters will align the payloads of the bus in suitable trajectory.

No it will not be a cluster type attack the various warheads will be ejected from the bus controlled by the adapters , the adapters will use the redundant Ring laser gyro based Inertial navigation system and digital scene mapping correlator for gauging the correct alignment .

Yes it can attack multiple cities actually that is the point of MIRV.

Those ranges are classified and though India has had the necessary technologies but has not tested it yet so we have to wait .
Your study is awesome about these missiles. Thanks.

These missiles will also be guided by our positioning satellites?
 

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Yes the single missile which will be carrying a Post boost control vehicle or a Bus which carries multiple warheads will have sequential launch adapters , the PBCV will itself have multiple vernier rockets which will align the vehicle into its optimal trajectory with the help of various algorithms that are pre programmed then the sequential launch adapters will align the payloads of the bus in suitable trajectory.

No it will not be a cluster type attack the various warheads will be ejected from the bus controlled by the adapters , the adapters will use the redundant Ring laser gyro based Inertial navigation system and digital scene mapping correlator for gauging the correct alignment .

Yes it can attack multiple cities actually that is the point of MIRV.

Those ranges are classified and though India has had the necessary technologies but has not tested it yet so we have to wait .
For India, it would be pointless without city buster MT capability.
 

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For India, it would be pointless without city buster MT capability.
Don't worry we already have 70% lithium burn in secondary and with the introduction of fissile tamper we will boost it as much as possible . DARHT and ICF facility will increase our scalability of our warheads and with enough fissile material of 2200 + implosion type warheads in the near future we rain fire and brimstone . We can test but we can kiss the nuclear deal goodbye. We already add enough fissile material for 100+ warheads a year.
 

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Don't worry we already have 70% lithium burn in secondary and with the introduction of fissile tamper we will boost it as much as possible . DARHT and ICF facility will increase our scalability of our warheads and with enough fissile material of 2200 + implosion type warheads in the near future we rain fire and brimstone . We can test but we can kiss the nuclear deal goodbye. We already add enough fissile material for 100+ warheads a year.
But without testing in actual one cant predict which design would work in actual working condition? Do you think India will arm it missile with payloads of different designs and will pray or hope that at least one should work? Without testing that would be costly! India I think should junk PTBT(space). And conduct tests under umbrella of pusher type nuclear propulsion. They can make US-Russia partner in that venture ;)
 

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For India, it would be pointless without city buster MT capability.
Instead of chemical/ nuclear bunker-busters, we may explore options of rocket motor aided busters to make a preemptive strike at Paki strategic assets. This may minimize civilian casualties.
 

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That makes India's task easier. Entire West Punjab comes within range of Prithvi.
There are 3 problems:
1. So far, India hasn't set up the satellites system to monitor the movement of Pakistan's strategic asset 24x7, so India would have no idea where the Pakistan's missile is at the time and where it will be in 5 minutes;
2. For the old missile like Prithvi, you will need hours if not a day to get them ready. When it is ready, there is big chance Pakistan's new solid missiles will be ready as well if both of you haven't receive the call from white house;
3. Prithvi is too slow to be used against road-mobile missiles.
 

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There are 3 problems:
1. So far, India hasn't set up the satellites system to monitor the movement of Pakistan's strategic asset 24x7, so India would have no idea where the Pakistan's missile is at the time and where it will be in 5 minutes;
2. For the old missile like Prithvi, you will need hours if not a day to get them ready. When it is ready, there is big chance Pakistan's new solid missiles will be ready as well if both of you haven't receive the call from white house;
3. Prithvi is too slow to be used against road-mobile missiles.
Does India have any planned satellite which can achieve this ?
 

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There are 3 problems:
1. So far, India hasn't set up the satellites system to monitor the movement of Pakistan's strategic asset 24x7, so India would have no idea where the Pakistan's missile is at the time and where it will be in 5 minutes;
2. For the old missile like Prithvi, you will need hours if not a day to get them ready. When it is ready, there is big chance Pakistan's new solid missiles will be ready as well if both of you haven't receive the call from white house;
3. Prithvi is too slow to be used against road-mobile missiles.
Can earth observation sattelite see and monitor 24 hrs., even at night? What if the sky is overcast?
 

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Can earth observation sattelite see and monitor 24 hrs., even at night? What if the sky is overcast?
Yes, RISAT-2 can do that because it has SAR in it. It must also have some foliage penetration too.

Apparently RISAT -1 A is planned in 2019. But it has a C-Band SAR, so it won't be very good for recon.
 
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The Prithvi-2 (only Prithvi version currently in active service) will be phased out within the end of this decade. For finding it's replacement, the IA/SFC had considered three different missile systems of various types :

1) The PRAHAAR. A non-line of sight battlefield support missile (NLOS-BSM) with a 150km range and a 225kg payload of multiple types (HE, FAE, Incendiary, cluster munitions etc.), the principle use of this system (mounted in 2, 4 or 6-missile configurations respectively on 6x6, 8x8 and 10x10 high-mobility vehicles) was area-saturation. Much like rocket artillery on steroids.



2) The SHAURYA. A quasi-ballistic tactical battlefield missile with variable flight profiles (ballistic, lofted or depressed trajectories) and a minimum range of 750km. It was to be a weapon for attacking tactically-important targets like air bases, communication facilities, fuel & ammo dumps etc. from safe distances while being able to accompany an armored column if required. The missile was to be carried in a hermetically-sealed canister, much like the PLA 2nd Artillery Corps' DongFeng-16 and DongFeng-18 ballistic missiles that are deployed within Tibet Autonomous Region (TAR).



3) The PRITHVI-3. A much-improved, solid-fueled version of Prithvi-2 (SS250). Shares the dimensions of the earlier missile in the family (with the exception of foldable control fins to facilitate canisterization) but removes the drawbacks of liquid-fuel, and makes use of all-composite stages reducing the missile weight and potentially increasing payload capacity as well as range, thanks to advancements in guidance technologies. Could have maximum ranges of around 600-700km and nearly a 1-ton payload capacity.


Concept image of P-III. Representation only.

Given whatever sources I have available, the Prithvi-3 has been selected for production. The Army might never order the Shaurya although Prahaar still has hope in a different role to support artillery fire-assaults. But regardless, DRDO has already made the Prahaar a possible export prospect (hence the "Pragati" missile at the South Korean defence expo), while the Shaurya went on to serve as the basis for validating SLBM technologies in the guise of the K-15/B-05 SLBM.


Pragati NLOS-BSM


Shaurya-based K15/B-05 SLBM in maiden underwater launch test
 

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The Prithvi-2 (only Prithvi version currently in active service) will be phased out within the end of this decade. For finding it's replacement, the IA/SFC had considered three different missile systems of various types :

1) The PRAHAAR. A non-line of sight battlefield support missile (NLOS-BSM) with a 150km range and a 225kg payload of multiple types (HE, FAE, Incendiary, cluster munitions etc.), the principle use of this system (mounted in 2, 4 or 6-missile configurations respectively on 6x6, 8x8 and 10x10 high-mobility vehicles) was area-saturation. Much like rocket artillery on steroids.



2) The SHAURYA. A quasi-ballistic tactical battlefield missile with variable flight profiles (ballistic, lofted or depressed trajectories) and a minimum range of 750km. It was to be a weapon for attacking tactically-important targets like air bases, communication facilities, fuel & ammo dumps etc. from safe distances while being able to accompany an armored column if required. The missile was to be carried in a hermetically-sealed canister, much like the PLA 2nd Artillery Corps' DongFeng-16 and DongFeng-18 ballistic missiles that are deployed within Tibet Autonomous Region (TAR).



3) The PRITHVI-3. A much-improved, solid-fueled version of Prithvi-2 (SS250). Shares the dimensions of the earlier missile in the family (with the exception of foldable control fins to facilitate canisterization) but removes the drawbacks of liquid-fuel, and makes use of all-composite stages reducing the missile weight and potentially increasing payload capacity as well as range, thanks to advancements in guidance technologies. Could have maximum ranges of around 600-700km and nearly a 1-ton payload capacity.


Concept image of P-III. Representation only.

Given whatever sources I have available, the Prithvi-3 has been selected for production. The Army might never order the Shaurya although Prahaar still has hope in a different role to support artillery fire-assaults. But regardless, DRDO has already made the Prahaar a possible export prospect (hence the "Pragati" missile at the South Korean defence expo), while the Shaurya went on to serve as the basis for validating SLBM technologies in the guise of the K-15/B-05 SLBM.


Pragati NLOS-BSM


Shaurya-based K15/B-05 SLBM in maiden underwater launch test
Doesn't Pinaka serve the same purpose as Prahar? Will Prithvi 3 carry nuclear payload?
 

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Doesn't Pinaka serve the same purpose as Prahar?
In a much lower spectrum. Although both can be used to perform the area-saturation role, Prahaar can be ringed with a tactical nuclear payload if required, and is capable of programmable trajectories and you can put much better guidance techs on Prahaar that what even a GPS-guided Pinaka round could have, therefore carrying out precision strikes over longer ranges.

Will Prithvi 3 carry nuclear payload?
Will it? Can't say.

Can it? Sure.
 

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