Delhi to draw on CM, Mamata's, minority model

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    Delhi to draw on CM minority model

    - Mamata scheme for abandoned women impresses Centre


    iMRAN AHMED SIDDIQUI

    New Delhi, Sept. 8: The Union minority affairs ministry has decided to take a leaf out of Mamata Banerjee’s book and launch a rehabilitation scheme for abandoned Muslim women across the country.

    “During a recent visit to half-a-dozen states, we were shocked at the plight of hundreds of Muslim women who have been abandoned by their husbands,” a ministry official told The Telegraph.

    The ministry is impressed with the Bengal government’s programme to help abandoned Muslim women in minority-concentrated districts by building homes for them as well as market complexes where they can earn a living.

    Bengal launched the scheme as part of the multi-sectoral development programme (MSDP) for poor Muslim women in 2011 after Mamata came to power, the official said.

    “We had allotted Rs 800 crore to Bengal for MSDP programmes in 2011. Because of the state government’s good work, we raised the sum to Rs 1,100 crore last year and increased it a little more this year,” the official added.

    A Bengal government official said the state had around three lakh abandoned Muslim women, mainly in Murshidabad, Birbhum, Burdwan, Malda, Cooch Behar, South and North Dinajpur, South 24 Parganas and Howrah.

    “We are building homes for them and have instructed district officials to be very sympathetic towards these women and take the help of NGOs to reach out to them,” the official said.

    The Union minority affairs ministry has drafted NGOs to compile data on abandoned women and ascertain their number country-wide.

    “Most of these women were either divorced through an oral triple talaaq or thrown out of their homes by their husbands along with their children. They have no sources of income,” the ministry official said.

    Another official said the Centre would provide additional funds for the programme and the state governments would have to implement the scheme. The collectors in minority-concentrated districts will oversee the programme.

    A National Commission for Women official said these women were victims of unilateral separation and denial of alimony, yet many of them were not even aware of their legal rights and suffered throughout their lives.

    “Since the community follows the Muslim Personal Law which allows polygamy, we find it difficult to solve such cases,” the official said.

    “We have sent a report to the minority affairs ministry on these women’s problems. We are trying to increase their awareness so they can take legal recourse and fight for their rights. Community leaders too need to address this issue.”

    The commission official said many Muslim women were now coming forward and lodging cases with state commissions complaining of harassment by their husbands.

    Minority leaders welcomed the Centre’s move. “It’s a serious issue in the community. We all need to help these women,” said Mohammed Ahmed, national secretary of the Jamaat-e-Islami Hind.

    The Prime Minister’s 15-point welfare programme for minorities was launched in 2008 after the Sachar Committee highlighted the plight of Muslims, especially women.

    The Centre now runs empowerment schemes for Muslim women under the MSDP, including a leadership development programme with the help of NGOs.

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    There are many destitute in our country, male, female and children.

    It is a noble thought and a noble cause and of that there is no doubt.

    However, given the economic situation and the National coffers practically empty and with many more populist scheme running, recently constituted and more planned, will the Govt have the necessary funds to display their noble intent?
     
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    Sir, it does not cost to announce schemes. Whether they are implemented or better still if they fall under the purview of the state governments then it it is still better for the Central Govt.

    And by the way wasn't the Shah Bano case similar to this the only difference was that the Government of the day was on the other side of the fence when they used their brute majority in Parliament to over rule the SC.
     
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    How about outlawing polygamy and triple talaq ?

    And what about abandoned Hindu women ?

    This is all about vote bank politics and Muslim appeasement (I will not say minority appeasement as minority for Indian politicians means Muslims only never Sikhs, Jains, Christians or Buddhists)
     
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    Divorce: Law and Procedure

    The triple pronouncement of TALAQ has been "...banned by law in many nations, including Turkey, Tunisia, Algeria, Iraq, Iran, Indonesia, and Bangladesh. India still permits it." 1 In all such countries arbitration councils and judicial interventions have been introduced to promote reconciliation.

    Divorce: Law and Procedure
     
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    Its a national shame on part of any govt,who follows these things.

    instead of forcing the men who left their wives,govt want's to give rehabilitation.what a stupid govt.
     
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    The UPA is following suit!
     
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    sir ji, you are proving my point, it is allowed in India.

    why should a `secular` state foot the bill for matrimonial problems of one particular community, using tax payers' hard earned rupee.

    i would be against extending the scheme to even other communities.

    scrap it
     
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    Correct.

    It is time for the Muslim Personal Board to realise the folly and rectify it as many Islamic nations have done, wherein arbitrary and whimsical attitudinal urges do not sully the holy institution of wedlock!
     
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    Every major religion has strictures and rules that might have been valid a couple of thousand years ago.

    As you said, Muslim Personal Board need to realise that and reform their personal laws to remove laws unfair to women such as polygamy and triple talaq.
     
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    Late marriage is the only solution. Instead of saving whole money for dowery they should spend some money for education of their daughters. Early marriages will help them reduce their responsibility. But their responsibility will increase when their daughters are abandoned by their husbands. Instead of spending money for rehabilitation schemes Govt. should spend more money to provide legal support.
     
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    What about Muslim women? If they are vote bank then why triple talaaq is not discouraged? The problem is politicians need vote bank and money. Muslim men are getting money from Middle East countries.
     
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    Late marriages will not reduce the triple talaqs that make the women destitute.
     
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    Muslim women have no voice in their community relative to even Hindus. Christians , Jains and Sikhs r more educated and progressive than Hindus and Muslims but while Hindus have tried to reform Muslims still lag in many respects.

    Even most Muslim countries hv made polygamy and triple talaq illegal.
     
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    why is polygamy bad ? Infact it should be open to all both male and female :)
     
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    Polygamy per se is not bad as a principle. It was ideal in times of yore when the world was not so heavily populated.

    It leads to over population, which is natural as copulation is but a natural phenomenon. However, it is not good in the present world where there is shortage of everything to support the booming population.
     
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    how would it lead to over population if one has two husbands ?

    Moreover if one has two wives then also it wouldn't lead to over population if husband has two wives and two kids from each then he would have a total of 4. if he didn't have a second wife then she would marry someone else and still have 2 children from another guy, ultimately there would only be 4 children. total no of woman will be the same in the society, those who dont get a woman will go without children and those who do get multiple woman will compensate for those without children. over population reason is a myth, if it were valid the west asia would have more population than us.

    why should the state have a say in who i can sleep and marry with let alone religoin, consenting adults. there was no reason to ban polygamy, hindu tenets allow it..i say go further and allow females to have multiple husbands. infact in goa even hindus can take multiple wives as per the law.
     
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    With two husbands, each one would like to have his 'share' of children, though none could accurately predict that the child is his!

    With two and more wives, one would have as you said a minimum of two from each.

    Now, if he had one wife, then two children would have sufficed!

    Though I do not subscribe to the State meddling in individual's affair, here the State plays a role since the same individuals would clamour if they did not get food, justice, employment, reservations, education, housing, medical treatment etc.

    If the individual can do without these amenities and necessities and they find their own path to such needs, without the State, then, yes, the State should not interfere.
     
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    Many men do triple talaqs to marry younger women. Late marriages will reduce supply of younger women. Late marriages will help them to secure jobs before marriage. Jobs will help them survive even if their husbands abandon them. Most people who do late marriages spend more money for education and less money for dowery. Men can take dowery and abandon their wife. But they can't steal wisdom.
     
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    They don't have voice because they don't earn money. They will have voice if they earn money.
     

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