Delhi, Kabul warn China: Pak maybe your ally but it exports terror

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  1. Ray

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    It appears that the chaos in Xinjiang is more than what is reported in the media wherein China is no longer taking it to be a minor issue and is not seriously worried about Pakistan's involvement, inspite of Pakistan being its ally.

    Equally, Afghanistan is concerned that the AQ through the Pak sponsored Taliban would be causing chaos now that the ISAF and US have quit Afghanistan and Afghanistan is on their own,

    India was always concerned since it has been targeted by the Pak sponsored terrorists for long.

    It is time that all Nations take the Taliban and AQ threat seriously.
     
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    South Asia is heating up. I think everyone is trying to outwit each other. This is going to be a game of chess, like it always is. I think creating chaos in an orderly society helps at times, but in South Asia, which is already rather chaotic, chaos might have a lesser impact. I think I will open a new thread on this, and I need to get things together.

    Coming back to PRC, nothing will change. Pakistan might not even have total control over its rogue elements who are linked to the Uighur separatists.
     
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    Add to this the recent hostile tone of AQ and ISIS against China. Soon the ball will be in China's court.
     
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    The way it is and the way Pak operates , it could soon armtwist PRC the way they armtwist USA. For Pakistan Terrorism is a commodity which brings in FDI, weapons and support. PRC is all set to fall into the trap of its all weather ally Pakistan.
    Looking around, I get a feeling that nothing in this good world can be'negotiated' over "fanatic religious beliefs." Some people in power has understood and knows how effectively to use the weapon of religion and factionism to great use for personal good.
    It will be interesting to watch how PRC will handle "religion as a wepon" and how such will be countered.
    In my opinion, if the PRC negotiates like the USA with Pakistan on terror, it will be a grave mistake PRC will be making, kinda like unprotected sex with a w**re and being plagued for life.
     
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    Pakistan is already a surrogate of China. It Northern Area is for all practical purposes under China.

    While Pakistan may not be able to control its Taliban and rogue elements in the ISI and the Army, China may take matters in its own hand and in the Classical Chinese sleight of hand through subterfuge ensure that its interests are protected within Pakistan as also beef up the security of its borders with Pakistan and Afghanistan.

    China is clear about its priorities. Territorial integrity of China and the sovereignty of the Chinese Communist Party over all China is not negotiable with any Nation or the terrorist sponsored by any Nation, ally or enemy.

    And the Chinese can be ruthless and cunning too.
     
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    I understand the sternness of Chinese priorities in the region. but sir, isn’t the dynamics of religious fanaticism and terrorism a bit more intense when it comes to more disciplined affairs of statecraft; taking into the factor that countries like US and unions like NATO have played into the scheme of things and lost control.

    When the pulse of religious sentiments are hurt, it will trigger anti-chinese sentiments in Pakistan and among its many factions of terrorist outfits, wont this prove disastrous to Pakistan administration who wanted to maintain its 'deep' relationship with China!!!??
     
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    It might unleash the terrorists, but Pakistan is always a nation sold to the highest bidder.

    And in this case it is China.

    Therefore, the State machinery will go whole hog to please the highest bidder, or at least appear to be doing so.

    It is, I agree, a moot point.

    The Pakistan administration has already lost control and anyone who helps to control will be welcomed. That is why they cooled off when the US forces crossed the Durand and hit the terrorist camps.

    Unlike the US who appear to care for niceties, China doesn't.

    And if China cuts the umbilical link, then Pakistan will be out with a beggar's bowl and sink.
     
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    @Ray

    USA can use the terrorist network in Pakistan, turn them against China , in a gradual organic way and destabilize it. It will be like giving China a new kind of headache, the kind they are new to. USA has used this same 'old tactic' and found spectacular results for 'opponents' far 'away from their home land and borders.'

    Proxy war against China via Xinjiang province in the west and the The Hong Kong protest in the East. It could be a coincidence. History has many coincidences that has lead to FUBAR.
    Is this another containment strategy for China by Unca Sam?
    In my opinion, the situation is quiet fragile for China.

    http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/...hong-kong-s-umbrella-movement.html#post964058

    Well! Since China has a practice of curbing religious practices, its easy to reconstruct the scenario, feed it to the fanatics and use them against China as a strategic tool to contain China. Its a catch 22 situation for CPC . Terrorists wont understand the Marxism or other isms from the CPC, but they do understand and react to religious suppression.
     
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    One wonders if the US can subvert Pakistan with Muslim terrorists since the terrorists take US as the Great White Satan.

    However, money can melt even the hardened souls.

    In so far as making it hot for China, the Ughur headquarters is already in the US.

    It is the World Uyghur Congress (WUC). It describes itself as a nonviolent and peaceful movement that opposes what it considers to be the Chinese occupation of East Turkestan, and advocates rejection of totalitarianism, religious intolerance and terrorism as an instrument of policy.

    The Congress is funded in part by the National Endowment for Democracy or NED of US
     
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    True, the way the Arab countries do business with the White Satan and seeks protection under their umbrella when it comes to state affairs. Well you are right, money speaks a different language.

    Sir, It all makes pretty much clear sense. A very organic "unconventional warfare " is progress using "surrogate forces." No wonder China is all hyperactive, giving the credence to the fact that China is quiet hyper otherwise too.

    Its a posturing where weapons are useless but the fall can affect the very stability of the state's governance.
     
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    According to John F. Kennedy: "There is another type of warfare—new in its intensity, ancient in its origin—war by guerrillas, subversives, insurgents, assassins; war by ambush instead of by combat, by infiltration instead of aggression, seeking victory by eroding and exhausting the enemy instead of engaging him. It preys on unrest.
     

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